Life is all about how we see things. Context is everything. Perspective is everything.

Life is all about how we see things. Context is everything. Perspective is everything.

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Life is all about how we see things.

Context is everything.

Perspective is everything.

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Below, in 2 major chunks (1st chunk in 3 parts, 2nd chunk in 8 parts), are companion thoughts to 3 conceptually-related [context, perspective, HOW we (each of us individually & collectively) see/ perceive things (information, other people, concepts, etc.)] posts:

๐Ÿ‘ฏ Placing Dietary & Lifestyle Approaches 'In Context'/ 'In Perspective': healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

๐Ÿ‘ฏ For All Autoimmuner's: FREE 7-Part Documentary with Tom O'Bryan: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

๐Ÿ‘ฏ Anyone on the "Paddison Program Forum"?: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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Each post metaphorically/ figuratively connects with:

โ€ข Beau Lotto's 'Optical Illusions Show How We See':

Transcript: ted.com/talks/beau_lotto_op...

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โ€ข Rory Sutherland's 'Perspective Is Everything':

Transcript: ted.com/talks/rory_sutherla...

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  • Replies/ follow-ups to: The University of British Columbia has written an article about Leaky Gut Syndrome. From the Canadian Society of Intestial Reseach: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    Warm hello, Suzannedale. ๐Ÿ‘‹

    'Long time, no see.' ๐Ÿ‘€

    Hope you're doing well. ๐Ÿ™ ๐ŸŒบ

    Thank you kindly for sharing article:"Debunking the Myth of โ€˜Leaky Gut Syndromeโ€™ ": badgut.org/information-cent...

    [Always interesting reading various perspectives. ๐Ÿ‘ Equally so, with the various other referenced links that people have kindly taken time to share. Much, much appreciated. ๐Ÿ™ ]

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    I'd shared my perspective with you about 'Leaky Gut Theory' (a while back back around Holiday time) under post 'For All Autoimmuner's: FREE 7-Part Documentary with Tom O'Bryan': healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

    [Don't know if you ever had a chance to see it. If you've a chance now, I'd value your perspective on what was noted. ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ™ ]

    Cut & pasted below for convenience.

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    Whether 'Leaky Gut' theory proves to be accurate or inaccurate -- may reveal itself over time.

    That's for 'big brains' to determine. ๐Ÿค“ ๐Ÿค”

    [As a layman, I haven't 'a horse in the race'. ๐ŸŽ I've neither 'opinion' nor 'conviction' either way. ๐Ÿ˜ถ ]

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    Unfortunately, it appears to be a stumbling block ('right out of the gate') -- the disputability of the 'Leaky Gut' theory).

    The inability to 'get over' it's 'theoretical limbo state' appears to prevent people from seeing beyond that 'sticking point'.

    Despite the 'theory' *and* the shortcomings/ flaws of the 'Autoimmunity Series' itself (as elaborated in earlier, now 'disappeared' comments -- as well as comments in other forums . . .), the critical useful points are overshadowed/ overlooked/ forgotten/ by-passed by an inability to get over "theory".

    The substance (the baby ๐Ÿ‘ถ ) is continually being "thrown out with the bath water" ๐Ÿ›.

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    ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚

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    [Somewhere . . . there's an awful lot of babies floating about . . . ๐ŸŒŠ ๐Ÿ‘ถ ๐Ÿ‘ถ ๐Ÿ‘ถ ]

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    Merely my opinion:

    'Black & white', 'all or nothing' statements get us nowhere -- except, perhaps, encouraging folks to 'choose sides'? Dig in heels? . . . ๐Ÿค”

    There's a lot of 'shades of gray', 'nuance', 'wiggle room' . . . in day-to-day reality for multitudes of us who haven't 'a horse in the race' -- nor feel a need to 'choose sides' . . .

    Many of us merely want to know what approaches/ techniques we can implement in 'the here & now' to get though a day, & hopefully, improve our conditions over time.

    We're not interested in 'arguing'/ getting 'stuck in' which theories are proven or disproven.

    We merely want to know WHAT we can do to influence the course of disease progression.

    The immediacy of pain, debilitation, etc . . . forces us to 'laser focus' on what we can do to influence our condition . . . NOW.

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    Whether 'Leaky Gut' is true or untrue -- makes no difference when I know (for me & plenty of other autoimmuners) -- what is true for us (for example), is ingesting dairy ๐Ÿง€ ๐Ÿฆ ๐Ÿถ ๐Ÿ„ will make me (us) flare.

    That 'personal truth' -- proven (for myself, as well as plenty of others) through 'trial & error' self-experimentation, which doesn't hinge upon whether scientists agree upon a 'theory' or not.

    [That's the only part that really interests/ matters to me -- and, I suspect, many others. Many of us sufferers merely want to know ('boots on the ground') WHAT we can do -- in the here & now -- to try to help ourselves feel better.]

    We're happy to let scientists, experts, FUDers . . . 'work out the kinks' -- argue the 'validity of theories' till the end of time . . . (That's of no concern to us.)

    All we know is what we are doing is working for us or isn't working for us. ๐Ÿ™

    We "see the wood for the trees" . . . englishclub.com/ref/esl/Idi...

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    A downside of getting stuck in 'theoretical rightness/ wrongness' argument, renders some of us immobile -- unable, unwilling, fearful, etc. of trying something that can help (some? many?) of us improve/ heal.

    Being frozen in indecision/ immobility -- because something is not 'proven to scientific satisfaction' -- is an unfortunate unintended consequence -- a 'fall out' -- of uncertainty/ limbo. ๐Ÿ˜‘

    Days, months, years fritter away -- 'sitting on the fence' of indecision -- because a 'theory' hasn't been proven. In the meanwhile, disease takes firmer root -- progresses -- as the argument of "unproven theories" rages on . . . ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ™ƒ

    ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚

    (If we didn't laugh at the absurdity of it all, we'd weep. ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿ˜ญ )

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    To each his own. ๐Ÿ™

    Some choose to 'go out on a limb' & munch their "leafy greens" ๐Ÿƒ etc., some choose to 'bah humbug' ๐Ÿ˜‰ & insist it's all 'stuff'n nonsense' ๐Ÿ™„ . . .

    It's all fine . . . ๐Ÿ‘

    We live our own lives, we think for ourselves, we make our own assessments, & proceed accordingly . . . ๐Ÿ™

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    For some of us, it 'buys more time' -- more 'quality of life' . . . ๐Ÿ™

    That's 'good enough' for us. . . ๐Ÿค—

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    [Personally, I merely wish to share what has helped me, so it might help others. ๐Ÿ™ I'm not interested in arguing 'rightness or wrongness' of 'theories'.]

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    ๐ŸŽ„ ๐ŸŽ ๐Ÿค— ๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒบ

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  • I wholeheartedly agree, I really don't want to argue about theories. If someone chooses to follow a certain diet plan in hopes that it will calm down their RA...well what business is it of mine?

    I hope everyone maintains a healthy diet. I know my healthy plant base diet of the past 22 years had been sidetracked in 2015....and I can only say that I have noticed the "sluggishness" that I now feel. This "sluggishness" has forced me to start eating right.

    I've been posting about my dental issues lately. I am very aware that science knows there is a RA/dental connection. They just don't know what it is. I always state in my posts that the dental/ RA connection is a theory. I don't understand why believers in "Leaky Gut Syndrome" can't state that it is a theory. What is wrong with being honest? Why state it as truth?

    Anyways I've come to realize that you are providing a free look into dietary changes and I must applaud you for that. People do claim diet is helping them with their RA and I do hope Leaky Gut syndrome can be proven in the future. We do need to find a cure for this dreadful disease!!

    Take care

    Sue

  • Hello Suzannedale, I'm so glad your doing so well. Your so right about diet. I sort of messed up on mine & im paying for it too. I ate a sandwich with wheat bread & I got a big flare up. I've been under stress due to my father has late stage kidney disease from his diabetes. He's the most wonderful dad in the world. Gave his eye sight up fighting in WW2 when he was just 19. Gave his kids the ability to love & respect all life. Taught us all about animals & natural history. He was a Geologist. Anyway, I haven't been on here in awhile. We've been taking him to his favorite places. Gem & meineral shows. Sea shell shops. Fossil shops. Natural history Museum here in Santa Barbara. It's been stressful & im sure that plays a part with my RA too. I'd like to ask u, do u follow a certain type of a plant based diet? Also how do u get your protein? I'm trying to find a diet for myself that I can follow. I do pretty good but I need to do better. Hope your having a wonderful day.๐ŸŒป

  • Hello Richgirl.

    You must be very proud of your father as he is a true hero. He risked his life to save others and allowed us to be free. Godbless him.

    I used to live a vegan lifestyle because of moral issues...I love animals. 2 years after my RA diagnosis I began eating anything & everything. Thus the 30lbs weight gain...and the sluggishness...but my RA is disappearing..strange eh?

    Eating healthy is very important and it is time for me to get myself back on track. Some people say diet helps them control their RA, it has never controlled mine.

    Autoimmune diseases are quite odd. I seem to fall off the healthy diet lifestyle and my autoimmune diseases calm down. Strange eh?

    In my 20's, I ate a pretty good diet that did contain meat...and then I developed MS. I started smoking and eating junk and the MS disappeared. Very strange indeed. So to make a long story short I do not promote any diet for autoimmune diseases. But everyone should eat healthy and if it helps your autoimmune symptoms then it's a bonus. They need to find a cure for these diseases!!!

  • Hello Suzannedale, that is very strange as to how the MS & the RA reacted when your diet was as it's worst. Very interesting though. It seems like your RA could be getting better due to your dental experience also. The human body is amazing at how it works.

    I always did better with a healthy diet, so I'm getting on board with that again. I'm way to thin to the point of bones showing. It's because so many foods make me congested in my chest so I had to stop eating them. Never had this trouble before. I was always a bit over weight when I was younger. So many challenges.

    Thank u for the very kind words about my father. Yes he's a wonderful person. โ™ฅ๏ธ I'm very happy that your continuing to get well. Have a beautiful day๐ŸŒป

  • Have you ever been tested for food allergies? It is so strange how everyone reacts differently to foods.

    When I was a vegan, it was hard to keep up my B12 levels. I wonder if this might of been the reason for RA? Though my dental issues seem to help contol my RA. Everyone is different. Have a great weekend.

  • I did get tested by 3 different allergist. They all said different things, confusing me. So it was not very helpful. So I tested myself one thing at a time. Took awhile. I forgot what they call that. Anyway, I'm glad I'm making friends with u & others on the forum. Great support. Have a wonderful weekend too.๐ŸŒป

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    On a different (yet related) theme, if you've time, I'd appreciate your insights on my reply to crashdoll's soundly raised points at a different post: Wheelchair to Bikram Yoga (in 10 Months): healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    I appreciate/ value your thoughtful perspective, Suzannedale. ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ‘

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    Think we're all on the 'same page' (or at least 'on the same boat' ๐Ÿšฃ ) โ€” equally struggling to understand what is going on within our bodies.

    Why some of us respond to diet & lifestyle tweaks & some of us don't is equally perplexing/ flummoxing to so many of us who don't grasp the 'sciencey bits' โ€” particularly when so many articles (etc.) seemingly conflict(?) to us layman. ๐Ÿค”

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    Think it's productive if we harmoniously work together (row in the same direction ๐Ÿšฃ ๐Ÿšฃ ๐Ÿšฃ ) towards understanding this ineffable mystery. ๐Ÿ‘

    (Think we'll move towards understanding improving/ healing quicker if we cooperatively 'paddle in the same direction'. ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ‘ )

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    Thank you kindly for any insights you've time to share, kind lady.

    Much appreciated. ๐Ÿ™

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    Wishing you wellness & good cheer. ๐Ÿ™ ๐ŸŒบ ๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒž

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    Thank you kindly, suzannedale, for clarifying. ๐Ÿ‘ ๐ŸŒบ

    Much appreciated. ๐Ÿ™

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    I hear your points:

    โœ”๏ธ Tom O'Bryan is a "doctor of chiropratic, certified clinical nutritionist, diplomate of the American Chiropractic" โ€” not a specialist in Autoimmune diseases

    โœ”๏ธ Clint Paddison is a comedian.

    โœ”๏ธ Leaky gut is still a theory.

    โœ”๏ธ Honest clinical nutritionist never promote the theory of leaky gut as a proven fact for dollars.

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    And, from your perspective, both Clint Paddison & Tom O'Bryan are:

    ๐Ÿ‘‰ Promoting diet for dollars for health

    ๐Ÿ‘‰ Claiming they know the truth about Leaky Gut and how to cure auto immune

    ๐Ÿ‘‰ Preying on the sick & people desperate for a cure.

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    I hear ya . . I hear ya . . . ๐Ÿ™

    I can understand how people can perceive things in that way โ€” especially in the way it has just been framed. ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿค”

    Have heard various permutations of those points raised & repeated endlessly on the forum.

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    I guess I'm just not perceiving it that way at all.

    Wonder if somehow it boils down to 'perception' / 'interpretation' โ€” seeing things through different filters, different lenses? ๐Ÿค”

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    I think the explanation here to Lucy11 is my 'simple take' on why some people are interpreting things in a variety of ways: Placing Dietary & Lifestyle Approaches 'In Context'/ 'In Perspective': healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    Yes, it's factually true (from my understanding as well) that Tom O'Bryan & Clint Paddison don't have Autoimmune Disease specialty training? ๐Ÿค”

    (That is, they're not MDs, medical doctors/ physicians formally trained ๐ŸŽ“ in autoimmune diseases. Nor do I think they're claiming such credentials. ๐Ÿ“œ )

    Guess that diminishes their 'authority, expertise, credibility' in the eyes of 'proper(?)' scientific/ medical arenas? ๐Ÿค”

    That's understandable. ๐Ÿ™

    I definitely see your point. ๐Ÿ‘

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  • [Part 2 of 8]

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    Yet, despite the lack of 'authority, expertise, credibility' โ€” they seemed to have not only helped themselves but have also helped many others improve/ heal as well despite the lack of proper specialty training ๐ŸŽ“ ๐Ÿ“œ ? ๐Ÿค”

    I mean, Clint Paddison's 1st-hand experience seems pretty remarkable, non-typical(?) for disease progression? ๐Ÿค” And, for those of us who've also chosen to implement a diet/ lifestyle approach (along with med approaches), a sizable portion of us (19 out of 20) seem to be faring pretty well? ๐Ÿค”

    Yes, it's merely 'anecdotal' experiences โ€” not a proper/ official long-term study that's taken as legitimate "scientific proof/ evidence".

    Yet, it must strike even the 'most critical' as odd that 19 in 20 are having undeniable improvements as evidenced by not only ourselves (& loved ones) โ€” but by our medical teams who are monitoring our progress. ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿค”

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    The figure I hear repeated is '19 out of 20' sufferers experience improvement. (That anecdotal figure sounds pretty remarkable. ๐Ÿ˜ณ )

    Quite a track record for a non-medically trained person, a layman, a comedian? ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿค”

    For the 1 out of 20 sufferers, who's not improving (after giving it a fair go within a reasonable amount of time), the disappointment, upset โ€” even anger is very understandable. ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ˜”

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    Perhaps some individuals (of the one in 20 who are not experiencing improvements) feel a need to denounce dietary/ lifestyle approaches (or PP in particular)? ๐Ÿค”

    Not because it's a 'bogus money making scheme dreamed up by a charlatan' [hyperbole for humorous effect only ๐Ÿ˜‰ ], but because the process personally failed them. They'd built up expectations, only to have them dashed. ๐Ÿ˜ž The let down, the frustration is undoubtedly disappointing, devastating. ๐Ÿ˜ž

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    Perhaps there are other avenues to explore that may be more useful or better suited for the one in 20?

    Perhaps energy may be better spent exploring other avenues rather than & 'blaming oneself' or 'blaming a process for not working' or 'blaming people for whom the process does work'? ๐Ÿค”

    Would it be on par with 'blaming a med' for not working or 'blaming one's medical team' for recommending a protocol that failed, or 'blaming other people' for whom a med/ protocol does work? ๐Ÿค”

    Does that make sense? ๐Ÿค”

    Does it sound like a good use of time/ energy to self-flagellate? or to accuse/ blame others for treatment failures? ๐Ÿค”

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    In the end โ€” isn't it (all approaches, techniques) a 'try it & see' experiential/ experimental process for each of our unique bodies? ๐Ÿค”

    No guarantees, no definitive answers . . . ?

    Truth be told โ€” aren't we all our own walking, talking experimental laboratories on 2 legs ๐Ÿšถ ? ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

    With outcomes impossible to predict ๐Ÿ”ฎ for each individual? ๐Ÿค”

    Don't we all โ€” pretty much operate on 'a wing & a prayer' โœˆ๏ธ ๐Ÿ› (to some degree) whenever we try something new โ€” a new med, a new food, a new regime? ๐Ÿค”

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    As we're so fond of saying around here:

    "What works for 1 person, doesn't necessarily work for another."

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    We don't know what an effect will be until after we've tried something for a period of time? ๐Ÿ˜

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    If we're the one of the 19 (out of the 20) who are improving, we count our lucky stars & fall to our knees in gratitude ๐Ÿ› for any improvements/ healings. ๐Ÿ™

    If we're the one in 20 who's not improving, we curse our fate & bemoan our misfortune. ๐Ÿ˜ž

    All very 'human' reactions, all very understandable. ๐Ÿ˜Œ

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    There are no 'villains' or 'victims'.

    There are merely 'people' all rowing in the same direction ๐Ÿšฃ ๐Ÿšฃ ๐Ÿšฃ trying to help ourselves improve/ heal.

    To turn around & take a rowing paddle & strike a fellow sufferer on the noggin doesn't make sense. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

    Bashing fellow sufferers โ€” especially those trying to work towards solutions โ€” seems unproductive & perhaps (unintentionally) divisive? ๐Ÿ˜ณ

    Divisiveness appears to be a by-product of bashing fellow sufferers over the head. ๐Ÿ™ƒ๐Ÿ”จ

    ๐Ÿ˜ณ

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    The Tom O'Bryan's & Clint Paddison's of the autoimmune community seem to 'bring people together' โ€” cooperatively โ€” in the spirit of discussing & sharing solutions in an open & friendly way.

    They've freely shared their information โ€” of course, with the caveat: 'there's no guarantee this works for everyone'.

    Then again, my medical team, doing the very best they can, with the knowledge/ training they have โ€” also provide no guarantees . . . ๐Ÿค”

    [I assume/ believe, they are ALL doing the very best they can with the knowledge & understanding they have within the frameworks ('belief' systems) in which they operate. ๐Ÿ‘ I don't believe anyone is operating with the intent of taking advantage of anyone โ€” especially the vulnerable. ๐Ÿ™ ]

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    To accuse someone โ€” who's talking about (freely sharing) protocols that worked well for them โ€” of misleading (or whatever) for profit, also doesn't make sense? ๐Ÿค”

    Is it the equivalent of storming into our physicians' offices & accusing them of intentionally misleading us & exclaiming their salaries/ livelihoods are 'taking advantage of our unwell, vulnerable state'? ๐Ÿ˜ณ

    Should we demand that our physician's consultation time (& the meds they prescribe) be free? ๐Ÿค” That they should not be compensated for their efforts? That they should go to work each day & not be paid for their labours? ๐Ÿค”

    If their recommended protocols don't work for us (their prescribed meds fail us), should we go into the public square (or on a forum) & accuse them of "taking advantage of us'? ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿค”

    Or, accuse them of disseminating flawed/ bogus information to intentionally mislead us so they can rob us of our hard earned money? ๐Ÿ˜ณ

    ๐Ÿค”

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    Again, perhaps my over-simplistic way of viewing things? ๐Ÿค”

    Dunno . . .ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

    [I certainly don't have any answers, suzannedale, merely 'pondering aloud' โ€” sharing my thought process. ๐Ÿ™ ]

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    A 19 out of 20 track record seems pretty good โ€” especially if you're one of the 19 who has improved. โ˜บ๏ธ

    Probably doesn't sound so good if you're the 1 out of the 20 who hasn't improved. โ˜น๏ธ

    [Haven't a lot of familiarity with Tom O'Bryan's work, so haven't much experience there. Have found the overarching concepts similar to (overlapping with) the whole food, plant-based dietary/ lifestyle sources I've learned from over time . . . ๐Ÿ‘ ]

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    Again, perhaps this is just my over simplistic layman's perspective, which isn't useful/ relevant. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

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    Maybe not everyone is (or can be) helped using dietary/ lifestyle means in conjunction with their meds? ๐Ÿค”

    Yet, enough of us are helped (to a significant enough degree) that we talk about it amongst ourselves โ€” and share our experiences with others who are interested. ๐Ÿ™

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    Aside:

    Bit of a giggle, when my med team (professional, allopathic-trained specialists, credible authorities/ experts in their fields) tell me to "just keep doing what you're doing". ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜„

    Have to smile. ๐Ÿ˜Œ

    They don't understand what I'm doing (nor do they seem terribly interested in it), yet they see 'something' is going on; it's helping (at least for me). ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ฏ ๐Ÿค—

    That's just about the best endorsement that what I'm doing is 'right for me' at this point in time, at this stage. ๐Ÿ‘

    For my (extremely) conservative, allopathic-trained specialists โ€” to happily ๐Ÿ˜Š reiterate "just keep doing what you're doing" indicates something is going on with the process & various techniques I've been implementing over time. ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿ‘

    If they (the experts) don't understand it (can't explain it) โ€” I sure as heck can't. ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ™ƒ

    [Whether it's 'Leaky Gut Theory or not โ€” the process I'm following & the multitude of things I'm implementing 'appear' to be working well. No one is 'hung up' (stuck) on theory.]

    We all just keep marching forward & continue implementing & continue monitoring, etc. [So far, so good, knock on wood (knocking on head ๐Ÿ˜ณโœŠ ).]

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    As far as the factual probability of 'Leaky Gut Theory' as still being merely a 'theory' . . . well โ€” I'm in no position to argue that.

    I can see how, though, for anyone concerned with another person discussing something as 'being a fact' โ€” when that thing is not yet proven to be 'a fact' โ€” that would be upsetting for those of us who like to keep our facts clearly delineated on 1 side of the line or the other.

    I get it. I get it. ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘

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    I guess for some of us who aren't overly concerned with 'fuzzy / blurry lines' these ambiguities don't trouble us (or they prove moot in our personal experiences/ understandings). We just accept them as a 'possibility' & don't worry about it.

    I guess the point is: a 'theory' may not be 100% accurate, but whatever the elements are that we are actually implementing that are working for us โ€” that's the thing that counts.

    (Whether it 'falls in line' with a particular theory, is a wonderful thing for medical/ science people to understand, but doesn't necessarily concern those of us seeking immediate 'boots-on-the-ground' relief.)

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    We really don't concern ourselves with the theory or 'mechanics behind it'. We're just concerned with if the actual 'nuts & bolts, step-by-step things we are doing (processes we are following)' are working for us โ€” despite whatever 'theories' those steps are based upon. ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿ‘

    If the roadmap ๐Ÿ—บ we're following is leading us in the right direction (feeling better & better ๐Ÿค— ), then we just keep following it.

    Think perhaps some of us are at the point where if something works for us, it works for us โ€” if it doesn't, it doesn't. We don't expend time or energy wringing our hands over the 'limbo state' of theories. ๐Ÿค”

    Our lives have been reduced to a rudimentary pragmatism that sees things at 'face value' in 'the here & now'. If something works for us we continue on; if it fails us, we move on & adjust our approaches/ techniques accordingly. ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿค”

    Pretty basic.

    Nothing fancy.

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  • [Part 6 of 8]

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    The information I've gleaned about the 'Paddison Program' (PP) is freely available to 1 & all from the presentations, website, podcasts, facebook, etc..

    It's all on the Internet easily accessible via Google search. I'd even created posts linking to abundant free whole food plant-based dietary/ lifestyle & PP resources from (in my opinion) 'respected, reputable' medical/ science professionals:

    ๐Ÿ†“ Dean Ornish, Neal Barnard, T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, John McDougall, Michael Klaper, Michael Greger: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

    ๐Ÿ†“ FREE Whole Foods Plant-Based Diet/ Lifestyle (WFP-BD/L) Info for Interested Autoimmuners/ RAers: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    [These are the people I learn from. I wouldn't take the time to share their information if it hadn't helped me โ€” or if I didn't think it would be of interest to fellow travelers on similar journeys. ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿ™ ]

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    The 'money making' aspect โ€” in the face of abundant, freely available, easily accessible information โ€” appears to be inaccurate. Any serious seeker has access to the information at no charge, no expense, nothing 'out of pocket'. . . ๐Ÿ†“

    (Merely time' & willingness to learn & try โ€” not money.)

    Perhaps a 'bit of a joke' (on all of us), it doesn't appear Clint Paddison has "preyed upon the sick & vulnerable" at all.

    In fact, quite the opposite.

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    It appears he's pulled a 'Tim-Berner's Lee' ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim... ) โ€” without anyone noticing. . . ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜

    The information is freely available to 1 & all.

    (I guess for a comedian, the joke is on us. ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ™ƒ )

    The information is there & it's free. ๐Ÿ†“

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    Merely reading, listening, & learning is all it takes to absorb the abundance of free information.

    If we assess it's something that interests us, we need merely try it (under our medical team's monitoring, of course).

    'Giving a way the candy in the candy store' doesn't seem like 'preying upon the sick, the vulnerable, or anyone . . . ' ๐Ÿค”

    Quite the opposite: a genuinely remarkable generous, selfless act of human kindness. ๐Ÿ™

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    [Again, merely my opinion (from my perspective), based on what I've observed. Perhaps others have very different opinions, based on different perspectives/ interpretations of what they've observed. (I can only speak from my interpretation of what I've witnessed.)]

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    From what I grasp of the 'cure' misunderstanding, that old chestnut ๐ŸŒฐ has been clarified so many times, don't think it needs re-hashing here.

    For anyone who's merely skimmed the source material, it's readily apparent there's 'no cure'. Once we have it, 'we have it' & it's a matter of how 'active' it is โ€” put in (over simple?) layman's terms.

    It seems, some people manage to lower the degree of activity to the point it's on 'mute'. Think that's the 'dream/ goal' of most of us โ€” to mute/ silence/ halt disease activity โ€” to cease pain, cease further bodily damage (joint, organ destruction, etc.).

    Merely reading the aforementioned posts or listening/ viewing any of the podcasts/ presentations or reading the website etc. thoroughly address this misperception.

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    Unfortunately, misperceptions abound/ persist & are sadly repeated, believed, & spread unendingly . . . ๐Ÿ˜ณ

    How does one reel back all the misunderstandings, the misperceptions, the untruths, that have permeated the forum, unwittingly spread by the kind-heart & well-intentioned, yet inaccurately informed? ๐Ÿค”

    Perhaps the attempt to retrieve the 'feathers of unwitting misunderstanding' is futile โ€” impossible:

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    Not as familiar with Tom O'Bryan's work โ€” merely through his free 'Betrayal' series. Which I'd commented on over at: For All Autoimmuner's: FREE 7-Part Documentary with Tom O'Bryan: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

    I grasp much of the criticism of the series (& the marketing of it) & see the criticisms' points & concur with the critiques to a degree. ๐Ÿค”

    Sadly, it seems the useful points (to be gleaned) were overshadowed by the series 'flaws', which were apparent & noted by many viewers. ๐Ÿ˜”

    Disappointing at one level, yet insightful/ inspiring on another level. ๐ŸŽญ

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    There are interesting points/ 'concepts' worth exploring for those of us interested in such things. ๐Ÿ‘

    Despite its flaws, I appreciated its intent, spirit, effort. Also learned quite a few things without having to spend any money. ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ™

    Again, so much information is freely available (to each & every one of us); limited finances is not an obstacle. It merely takes time & effort to learn bit-by-bit each day at our own pace.

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    In this light, the accusations (towards both Tom O'Bryan & Clint Paddison) of exploiting the sick & vulnerable:

    ๐Ÿ‘‰ Promoting diet for dollars for health

    ๐Ÿ‘‰ Claiming they know the truth about Leaky Gut and how to cure auto immune

    ๐Ÿ‘‰ Preying on the sick & people desperate for a cure.

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    doesn't seem accurate, at least from my perspective.

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    The main point disproving those assertions is the information is freely available. ๐Ÿ†“

    [Many of us have freely learned without having to purchase anything.] ๐Ÿ˜ƒ ๐Ÿ‘

    Both gentleman have generously shared an abundance of information at no charge. It 'jump starts' our journeys, gets us thinking, & if we wish, 'trial & error test' foods & lifestyle choices noted. If we run into a road block (get stuck on a point), we merely research our sources for additional options & workarounds.

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    ๐Ÿค” If we've no money, but time, we can spend our time trying to figure things out.

    ๐Ÿค” If we've no time, but money, then we can buy better medical services.

    ๐Ÿค” If we've no time & no money, we can enlist the help of others.

    ๐Ÿค” If we've time & money, we can help ourselves with greater ease.

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    I've learned (& continue to learn) from the abundance of freely available information โ€” along with many other people (of limited means).

    The exploitation of the sick, the vulnerable, the desperate seeking a cure, etc, appears to be inaccurate โ€” particularly for those (many) of us โ€” who hadn't spent money & are doing much, much better. ๐Ÿ™

    Perhaps we each perceive things differently โ€” interpret the actions of others differently as they filter through our brains? ๐Ÿค”

    We reach our own conclusions. ๐Ÿค”

    "One man's ceiling is another man's floor . . .":

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    Am I being naive? ๐Ÿค” Hoodwinked? ๐Ÿค” Taken in? ๐Ÿค” Bamboozled? ๐Ÿค” Having the wool pulled over my eyes? ๐Ÿค” Blindly following 'wolves in sheep's clothing?' ๐Ÿค” Following 'Pied Pipers'? ๐Ÿค” Are we implementers of such approaches mere unwitting lemmings about to fall over a cliff edge? ๐Ÿค”

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    Dunno. . . ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

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    Can only speak from my personal experience following a whole food plant-based approach (Paddison Program) โ€” it works well for me. ๐Ÿ™

    That's the only 'evidence' I have to go by.

    And, my medical team continues advising me:

    "just keep doing what you're doing." ๐Ÿค—

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    I can't speak for anyone else.

    I can only observe & learn from other's who are also doing well modifying their diets & lifestyles. ๐Ÿค”

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    Hope you're doing well, suzannedale, with whatever methods work for you. ๐Ÿ™ ๐ŸŒบ ๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒž

    Vive la diffรฉrence! ๐Ÿค—

    I appreciate & respect your insights & believe you're coming from a 'good place' speaking your truths. ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ˜‡

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    Aside: If you've time, I'd very much appreciate your thoughts on the reply to crashdoll's soundly raised points at post: Wheelchair to Bikram Yoga (in 10 Months): healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    We're all struggling to 'work though' this labyrinthian maze.

    It's overwhelming & befuddling as there's no simple, clear cut path for each of us to follow.

    So many twists, turns, bends in the road. ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ™ƒ ๐Ÿ˜

    Truly baffling. ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

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    Oh gawd, sorry for blathering on so . . . ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ™ƒ per usual! ๐Ÿ™„

    (Apologies for so many segments, thought it might be easier to follow 'line of reasoning' (& reduce probability of keeling over & dying from boredom ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ˜ฒ ) if divided into parts. ๐Ÿ™ )

    Merely trying to be unmistakably clear in expressing the 'nuance of thought' โ€” to avoid misunderstandings, upsets.

    I don't see 'definitive', sledge hammer โš’ 'right & wrong' perceptions/ answers/ concepts โ€” just lots of subtlety, nuance, shades of gray . . .

    Keep well. ๐Ÿ™

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  • Sorry but I can't follow this, information overload.

  • ๐Ÿ˜ฒ๐Ÿ˜ช Just scrolling down it has knackered me out! ๐Ÿ˜„

  • I have trouble with dizziness when there's so much text. For the same reason I can't read from eBooks either, I think it must be to do with scrolling down? I've tried turning the brightness down but much more & I'll not be able to read anything! ๐Ÿ˜ฒ

  • I gave up reading when I realised that most of the replies were from the author of the original post.๐Ÿ˜

  • Hello Kai, I hope you are doing well and thank you for sharing these videos. I had a wonderful belly laugh over Rory Sutherland's video.

  • Maybe it's just me- and my perception of things but this didn't feel like infiation overload to me but more of a battering?!

    Good look to all whose perspective aligns.

  • Clearly the above should have read "information" overload!!

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