If you claim PIP (or don’t!) how do people here think the changes in PIP will affect them?
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I expect it will depend if any qualified assessors are appointed. ..& what their brief is.
It does look as if new applicants will need more clinical evidence doesn’t it?
But I doubt anything will happen overnight.
There just seems to be a lot in the media about how terrible the cuts will be for disabled people (even before the actual details were released). The claimants interviewed all seemed to be clearly eligible for PIP payments- amputees, those with CP etc yet they all seemed convinced this was going to affect them.
I think a lot in the press is written by people who just read “the rules” & have no idea how the systems work in practice.
Sadly people with congenital conditions like Downs Syndrome seem to suffer by being treated as if they will”Get better” Hopefully that will be addressed by using people qualified to understand what could improve & what is with a person for life…& will necessitate particular support…not necessarily financial….which is what seems to hit the headlines.
I think it was said yesterday that people with lifelong conditions that are very unlikely to improve will not now need to be re-assessed every 3 years or whatever. That has to be good for them - and money saving for the tax payer.
Yes but if lifelong disabled people do take the initiative & get a job….they are docked money from their disability allowance if they earn over a small sum. Many people with life long both physical & Mental disabilities do make huge efforts to work, whereas those who have a chance to get better may not do that if it means losing unearned money….& having to work. Surely that is the group that needs dealing with?
But and this is the problem if an lower limb amputee has a prosthetic leg then how would they claim as its not clear how they are clearly eligible as they can walk and work aright not as a scaffolder perhaps, but Douglas Bader flew spitfires with no legs! And one disabled person was doing the interviewing on the BBC ! sorry I can't remember her name but some disabilities can be adjusted for in the workplace. The Council and Civil Service department that I worked for had rules that they were obliged to employ disabled people on an equal basis. It really wasn't an issue and it shouldn't be. I'm hoping the changes will help people into worthwhile positions and give them a better life. But not at the expense of much sicker people. I just don't like labels and am not disabled even with RA, CKD, etc perhaps they should look at the structure of giving companies tax breaks to encourage more employers to make workplace adjustments to enable people into work.
I wouldn't believe much written in the press. They are pretty loose with the truth. Scaremongering sells papers and riles people up. The usual result of this is often more 'benefits scrounger' programs on TV, and more hate from a random person they've interviewed. I suspect the waters are being tested to see what the public opinion is.
Just to add...it's a pretty sick thing to try and implement. Particularly since there has been a huge rise in those entitled in PIP since 2019. No one apparently much interested in this significant rise. Added to that the closing down of jobs and businesses. Bit grim really.
Its too soon yet to assess the impact in reality. But my guess and hope is a good few whose claims are similar in tone like those done by companies will be weeded out. The points system changing is a good idea as it's too complicated but easy to cheat. I hope it will help people into work who can work and improve the lives of those who cannot work. From what I've read the benefits bill will be impossible to meet if things continue as they are but I do think it must be more transparent and Assessors qualified to look objectively with compassion and fairness to claims. It seems to me to be wrong that employers can appear to pay less to a disabled person who is claiming PIP to supplement their earned income. Thats not right and since Covid the amount of young people with mental health issues must be addressed to help them and society move forward. The whole system needs a complete overhaul but where are all these jobs people can get as around here their are few vacancies advertised although a lot of building going on. But do all young people have a work ethic now ? do some as children of claimants manage on benefits as have few expectations in life. The system has long since been tinkered with on a regular basis and each time its got more complex. Personally I think it's down to the get rich quick politics of the 70/80's that has generated a few members of society that thinks benefits are a right without thinking of social responsibility. We need to change access to work and speed up claims for those in need but maintain a sympathetic face to face method of assessment as it was in the old days when I did it. No more phone assessments its go in to office or they come out to help and documents must be provided and if necessary access to GP records authorised. It probably never be used but might stop the self diagnosis element of claimants. I don't know thats just my thoughts. We'll have to wait and see when the changes are implemented and challenged through the appeals procedure.
Good points, especially about employers paying less to PIP claimants and face to face assessments. There was a comment piece in the paper today about abuse of the Motability scheme - apparently 1 in 5 cars on the road now are obtained via the scheme. It’s obviously vital for many disabled people but widespread abuse of the system is awful. Main car dealership’s love it of course as it’s helping to keep them afloat.
My concern is that they've pulled this £5bn figure out of nowhere. How can they know what the savings will be unless it's based on targets rather than need? And Starmer does seem very target-driven.
It won't directly affect me as I've never applied for PIP but I don't want people with genuine need losing out just to help reach savings targets. I think we all know one or two people who take the p*** a bit, but I'm sure it's a very small minority.
My guess is they have a matrix which isolates out claims under mental health and points awarded, same for RA, CKD, Limb loss, MS, ME, Cancer, Liver disease, Parkinsons, Elipepsy etc. etc so know exactly who they want off benefits and have a good idea of who it will be thus a projected saving. It won't be rocket science to target dubious claims and more power to them to prosecute fraudulent ones. Those fraudulent people are robbing us not the state. The state has no money its the public purse. I know someone I really hope gets caught..... And to be fair it is a small minority but it's stopping it getting worse and an element of a generation that doesn't need to work as benefits means they can stay in bed all day. That sounds hard but I'm sure we all know of someone like that. I never applied for PIP and didn't need it but had RA so one life impacting illness and was working to amongst other things to determine benefits based on a claim for it. Ironic really but the Council were great employers so I was lucky as should everybody expect an employer to be in the interests of fairness and equality. x I'm off my soapbox now lol and fingers crossed they get it right and not just another fudge up. And what are they going to do to get people in temporary accommodation/homeless/sofa surfing in work as often with no fixed abode they fall through the cracks and end up without benefits and no jobs. Fingers crossed it's the start of major changes that help people.
I wonder if as well as having suitably qualified assessors….the first move would be somebody,s clinical specialist would have to propose a Benefit, was needed…. not just have the person fill in a form with their personal ideas?
You are correct rmros,also disabled claimants are going to lose pip with the points scored change ,These include claimants with severe restrictions etc ,
You lose, no more points scored ,if you use adaptions ,aids ,need help assistance to wash hair or body below the waist,help in and out of a bath or shower etc,or supervision prompting ,
And assistance for dressing lower body etc ,and every other activity 3 points or less scored is getting taking away from the disabled
This has not been made clear, so what source are you using to spout these things. Please be careful we don’t know yet much more than changes are coming and isn’t that a good thing if it weeds out those who are abusing the system and supports people who want to work. It’s not about a political stance but common sense.
Please respect others ,it has been made clear with Liz kendals statement as you know it's facts .you need 4 points in a oner ,please respect others
Please read the governments statement on the direct gov website which I did, it’s not clear how and I’ve not been disrespectful at all. But you have picked out one item in a series of changes. It’s misleading as some may get more. Please stop and by the way I’ve screen shot your post in case it changes again.
It has and again she said it it in her statement to parliament points under 4 will be abolished, all leading charities and welfare rights have also got it on their website ,we agree to disagree ,best we move on ,so post does not get hijacked
P.s out of courtesy, I will watch the statement again ,and if not correct I will withdraw it ,benefits and work, etc are saying the same,I will watch statement again tomorrow
No you’re wrong she’s not abolished anything but saying that the Government are making qualification different and yes harder in some cases by looking at how disability impacts through changing how points are awarded. I’m not getting into a debate with you and remember you from previous posts. Please read things as some will get more help isn’t that a good thing ? and as for your post about below the waist qualification points it just doesn’t make sense
You responded to my reply not me ,besides the Below the waist washing and bathing and dressing etc getting help you currently get 2 points scored ,this is being abolished, no more 2 or 3 points awarded and if you currently get this you lose them ,new criteria you now need higher threshold 4 points or above its clear and facts
No one has seen the new questions and how there scored! As it still needs to pass in. the house of commons your repeating the media scare mongering.Until November it won't effect anyone according to the green paper.And then it will be If your up for review.
So really try to forget about it until the envelope hits your doorstep.
And so your aware I claim pip and esa
It's not good if you have lower limbs issues etc washing bathing cooking dressing etc and other issues, if you score the 2 points across the board ,they are taking this off you a labour government, there are lots though with right advice May qualify for the 4 points you need
With the majority of time rule or unable to do an activity once a day only as that qualify s
As the time comes nearer ,professional advisers may help there ,
They are taking away the 2 points and no more adding the 2 points now ,there are lots who use aids and get help will lose out ,
P.s
From a good source may be true fingers crossed
Starmer and co came out with this for the
OBR so there's no downgrading if case they may not go through with it or change it if this is true
P.s id imagine it would effect a lot of RA claimants if it goes ahead
I don’t understand what your writing?
I don’t think it will unless I get classed as not needing review in 10 years.
I got standards pip last year - with RA, Osteoarthritis and Arrythmia ( ectopic beats)
I’m a bit confused but would expect to lose my PiP eventually which also probably means I lose my bus pass and the blue badge.
I really rely on the PiP especially in winter with heating.
I'm on standard living. I didn't score over 2 points in anything. I know that the questions and point scoring will probably change, but I'm still worried. Without my blue badge I couldn't work. I can't get out of my car in a normal parking space.
Blue badge is not qualified by benefits. I have one but no benefits. Benefits come via DHSS and Blue badge the local authority so it will make no difference at all.
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