Supplements/ Nutrients (B12, Vit. D, Potassium, Protein . . . ) for RAers/ Autoimmuners & Plant-Based Dieters (Vegans, Vegetarians, . . . )

Supplements/ Nutrients (B12, Vit. D, Potassium, Protein . . . ) for RAers/ Autoimmuners & Plant-Based Dieters (Vegans, Vegetarians, . . . )

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Supplements/ Nutrients (B12, Vitamin D, Potassium, Protein . . . ) for RAers/ Autoimmuners Considering Plant-Based Diets (Vegan, Vegetarian, . . . )

May be of interest to RAers/ Autoimmuners considering (or concerned about) plant-based diets: Vegan, Vegetarian, etc.

[Original Reply to query: "What supplements do you require on a vegan diet?" healthunlocked.com/cure-art... ]

Here's a reputable list from a reliable, experienced source (in my opinion ๐Ÿ‘ ): paddisonprogram.com/communi...

Well worth reviewing & researching. ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿค“ ๐Ÿ•ต๏ธโ€โ™€๏ธ ๐Ÿ”Ž

Beautifully concise & 'to the point'. ๐Ÿ‘ˆ ๐Ÿ˜Œ

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๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒบ ๐ŸŒž

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  • Merely supplemental info from personal experience (just 1 individual's 1st-hand experience):

    Yes, bottom-line minimum: B12. ๐Ÿ‘

    (Especially if this is a long-term/ 'permanent', lifestyle change โ€” not a 'whim' or a 'dabble'. ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ )

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    Tablet, sublingual, or injection โ€” whatever your body/ condition(s) will best absorb:

    โ€ข Some folks fair well simply on tablets ๐Ÿ’Š (and/or B12 fortified foods)

    โ€ข Some need (or prefer) sublinguals ๐Ÿ‘… ('under the tongue')

    โ€ข Some have conditions (problematic digestive systems incapable of absorbing(?)/ 'processing' B12) & therefore must have injections ๐Ÿ’‰ .

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  • Some individuals โ€” not all individuals (whether 'Vegan' or not) โ€” depending on conditions, severity of nutrient deficiency, anaemia (from chronic illness), etc. require various other supplements (either prescribed or 'over the counter') such as:

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    โ€ข Vitamin D (hormone)

    โ€ข Potassium [K โ€“ kalium/ potash (not 'Vitamin' K)]

    โ€ข Magnesium

    โ€ข DHA, etc..

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    We each need to assess, 'figure out', tailor any supplements (& dosages) towards what our individual bodies/ conditions require.

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    [Continued research/ study on our part ๐Ÿ•ต๏ธโ€โ™€๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿซ ๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿ’ป to not only learn & grasp these topics but to also understand the subtleties/ nuances of our own bodily reactions. No 'easy answers', no shortcuts ๐Ÿ’‡ โ€” just the hard work of learning & understanding. ๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿซ ๐Ÿ™‡โ€โ™€๏ธ ๐Ÿ™‹ ]

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    While in 'the depths of disease', we may require a temporary boost of nutrients ('supplements/ pills') to get us 'over the hump' โ€” in addition to our nutrient-dense diets (foods, smoothies, green juices, water, etc.) that we routinely ingest. ๐Ÿค”

    [This is merely my laymen's opinion ๐Ÿ—ฃ ๐Ÿ’ฌ , borne out from hard learned ๐Ÿ™ƒ๐Ÿ”จ , 1st-hand personal experience and from what I've learned from others in (severe) nutrient deficit.]

    Then, over time, as we improve, we may be able to 'wean off' supplements (as we steadily, consistently feel better & better) & are able to demonstrate improvement via mobility, increased energy/ stamina/ mental acuity, reduced pain, overall feelings of wellness, improved blood tests, etc..

    [Oh . . . for clarification, we may be able to 'wean off' various 'temporary' supplements (provided they're no longer required/ justified โš–๏ธ , but we remain on B12. ๐Ÿ‘ ]

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  • Kindly bear in mind:

    โ€ข We work hand-in-hand ๐Ÿค with our physicians ๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€โš•๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘จโ€โš•๏ธ (monitoring, assessing, following up).

    โ€ข It's a process that takes time โณ . (Think months/ years ๐Ÿ—“ โ€” not mere days or weeks ๐Ÿ“† .)

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    Depending on our condition(s), severity, etc.. this (getting better and weaning off supplements) is a long-haul journey ๐Ÿ›ฃ ๐Ÿ›ค .

    (No 'overnight miracles' ๐ŸŒƒ โœจ. ๐Ÿ˜„ )

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    These posts note nutrient-dense foods that help boosts our nutrition & thereby overall health:

    ๐Ÿฅ— Quinoa, Buckwheat, Sweet Potatoes, Leafy Greens, . . . 'Baseline Phase' of PP Diet Fulfills Nutritional Requirements (Diverse & Complete): healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

    ๐Ÿฅ— Dr. Brooke Goldner's Free 3-Day Webinar, '6 Steps to Reversing Autoimmune Disease with Supermarket Foods': August 3/Thu, 7/Mon, 10/Thu 2017: healthunlocked.com/cure-art...

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  • General 'rules of thumb':

    ๐Ÿ‘ We 1st try to get (all) our nutrients from WHOLE foods see the works of: Dean Ornish, Neal Barnard, T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, John McDougall, Michael Klaper, Michael Greger: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

    [WHOLE food is the best/ ideal ๐Ÿ˜‡ way for our bodies to ingest (absorb/ 'process' nutrients) โ€” preferable to supplements/ pills (which are a '2nd best' or 'last resort' ๐Ÿ˜ณ sorta speak).]

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    ๐Ÿ‘ If we can't (for whatever reason(s)) ingest/ absorb/ 'process' nutrients from our food, then we resort to supplements โ€” in consult with our physicians ๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€โš•๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘จโ€โš•๏ธ (of course). And, to ensure any supplements/ nutrients we're ingesting don't conflict with any medications (prescribed or 'over the counter') that we're currently taking.

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    We learn over time. ๐Ÿค“ โณ

    Experiential learning ( ๐Ÿ™ƒ๐Ÿ”จ ) through research ๐Ÿ“š & 'trial & error' โœ”๏ธโœ–๏ธ .

    Kindly, be patient ๐Ÿ™ , kind ๐Ÿ˜Œ , & loving ๐Ÿ’• toward yourself as you learn along the way. โ˜บ๏ธ

    . . .

    Very best wishes to you. ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒบ ๐ŸŒž

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    Kind regards, โ˜บ๏ธ

    Kai

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  • Oh, oh . . . almost forgot . . .

    . . . info on (complete) proteins:

    ๐Ÿ‘ The Protein-Combining Myth: nutritionfacts.org/video/th...

    ๐Ÿ‘ Do Vegetarians Get Enough Protein?: nutritionfacts.org/video/do...

    ๐Ÿ‘ The Great Protein Fiasco: nutritionfacts.org/video/th...

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    Dr. Klaper sums up the essence of it all beautifully:

    ๐Ÿ‘ Vegan Protein Deficiency and Vegan Pitfalls - Dr. Michael Klaper:

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  • Additional reference:

    From Dr. Michael Greger*:

    'Optimum Nutrition Recommendations' (from 2011 & updated 2/4/16) may also be of interest: nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/...

    It elaborates on Vitamin B12, Omega-3 Fatty Acids, Vitamin D, Calcium, Iodine, Iron, Selenium. (Also the Comments section (below article) may also be of interest. ๐Ÿค” )

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    * Dr. Michael Greger ('Sense & Sensibility') Shares "How Not to Die": healthunlocked.com/cure-art...

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    ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒบ ๐ŸŒž

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  • .

    Additional Potassium [K] resources from 'Oh what a day, wish it were over!': healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    If interested in obtaining Potassium [K] from FOOD some of these resources may help :

    โ€ข "Potassium Rich Foods" infographic: comfortspringstation.tumblr...

    (Almonds, Apricots ๐Ÿ‘ , Avocados ๐Ÿฅ‘ , Beets, Bok Choy, Brazil Nuts, Brussels Sprouts, Broccoli ๐ŸŒณ , Cantaloupe ๐Ÿˆ , Coconut, Figs, Kiwi ๐Ÿฅ , Spinach ๐Ÿƒ , Swiss Chard, Tomatoes ๐Ÿ… )

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    โ€ข Potassium [K โ€“ kalium/ potash (not 'Vitamin' K)] foods list from USDA (United States Dept. Or Agriculture) Food Composition Databases: ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/nutrie... [Lists potassium rich foods from high (page 1) to low (page 325)] [From "Which foods have the most potassium?" nutritionfacts.org/question... ]

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    โ€ข "Potassium Power": paddisonprogram.com/potassi...

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    โ€ข "Potassium" search result at Dr. Michael Greger's NutritionFacts.org: nutritionfacts.org/?fwp_sea...

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    โ€ข "Potassium and Autoimmune Disease":

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    ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒบ ๐ŸŒž

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  • .

    Vitamin D (Hormone) references/ conversations for consideration:

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    'Reconstruction' Vitamin D (Hormone) portion of year-old post (Hip pain: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos... ) that you may find interesting. ๐Ÿค” [Kai--) portion of conversation went 'poof' when my account was 'accidentally deleted' by HU ๐Ÿ˜ณ , thus re-cobbled together 'Vit. D (Hormone)' portion here for anyone interested in the topic.]

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    Coastwalker:

    My hip pain and stiffness went almost straight away once I started taking a high (safe) dose of 5000iu vitamin D3. (Not saying you have the same hip pain krysia,)

    Vitamin D3 is an anti inflammatory, vitamindcouncil.com here in UK it is said that 85% of us are either low or deficient in our vitamin D blood levels.

    Vitamin D is the sunshine vitamin, many don't get enough sunshine on their body's or even absorb enough of it. (you might already know this though

    Only if you have high calcium levels you must not take vitamin D3.

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    Kai--:

    Vit D3 (vitamin/ hormone) is truly fascinating, Coastwalker! ๐Ÿ‘ Here's a bit more if you'd like to explore further:

    โ˜€๏ธ healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

    โ˜€๏ธ healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    krysia, if any of these bits ring true to you, you're welcome to them: healthunlocked.com/ra-warri...

    Wishing you a productive rheumatologist visit next month. ๐Ÿ‘

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    Coastwalker:

    Thank you for your links Kai, I will take a look at your link, I too preach vitamin D to others as it has helped so many in my Family and friends too, also I know it helps COPD, Asthma and even Emphysema Patients.

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    Kai--:

    For clarification, Coastwalker: Viewing the various 'linked-to' Vit D/ hormone references can be confusing/ contradictory. (Personally, I'm still in quite a muddle about the whole thing.)

    [My initial <15 ng/mL Vit. D test reading required a 50,000 IU (1 pill/ week) for several months prescription which I attribute to making me feel considerably better (in addition to my dietary/ lifestyle changes being phased in at the same time). ๐Ÿค— ] Yet, after reading the 'Fearless Parent' article (as well as viewing the Dr. McDougall video), other concerns are raised about continuing 'maintenance doses' of orally ingesting Vit. D supplements (tablets/ soft gels . . .) -- thus the muddle. Unfortunately, without a solid 'science background', (us) 'untrained' folks are swimming in confusion about routine 'maintenance' doses of Vit. D/ hormone to take orally or whether to by-pass entirely the oral supplement route in favour of simple exposure to outdoor sunshine on bare skin. ๐ŸŒž Per usual, confusion reigns as to how to proceed! ๐Ÿ˜‰ Guess we each just have to 'figure out' what works best for ourselves. ๐Ÿค”

    [Merely my subjective self-observation: on the 1 hand, I strongly suspect the initial ''mega-dose" of Vit. D contributed to my feeling significantly better. Yet, I'm concerned about ingesting routine maintenance doses (& in 'what' dosage) considering the potential downsides. Attempting to 'compromise' in favour of increased sun exposure on skin & reduced oral supplementation. Sigh . . . it's ever-changing recommendations via 'experts' contributing to our confusion about 'what to do'/ 'how to proceed'. Once again, it seems to fall back to: 'we are our own Guinea pigs'! ๐Ÿน ๐Ÿน ๐Ÿ˜‰ "What works for 1 person, may not work for another." [Oy vey! How many times have we said & read that?! ๐Ÿ˜‚ ]

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    Coastwalker:

    vitamindcouncil.com guidelines I follow, for safe, modern up to date doses, (not often agreed by Doctors though.) Vitamin D Council are more knowledgeable on vitamin D and the many illnesses it helps.

    I take mostly take 5000iu daily, as do my family and friends. Vitamin D3 is known to have a short life span, I cannot remember of how many hours it lasts for, it wears off later in the day for me as all my pains come back a bit later in the day, if I forget to take it I soon know so often I take another 5000iu dose to relieve the pain later in the day, unless I go out in the warm sun.

    I believe they say you get 15-20,000iu vitamin D for 20 mins out in the hot midday sun here in UK, though it is not that hot here in UK.

    I recall that taking 5000iu daily is better than taking a big dose of 35,000 once a week, (the same dose) as the 35,000iu would not last all week, not that anyone would take 35,000iu in the first place without top medical advice or knowledge about it.

    Bigger doses are often used in patients like yourself who are extremely low in vitamin D to start with. Like you say we are all different, but I go by what my body tells me

    Many thanks Kai for those vitamin D video links, I enjoyed watching it, very sharp to the point, I will pass the link on to others, we all need to watch videos like this.

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    Kai--:

    Excellent. Thank you so much for sharing, Coastwalker (Much appreciated. ๐Ÿ™ ) The Vitamin D Council website ( vitamindcouncil.org ) is indeed very interesting! ๐Ÿ‘

    Isn't it wild how you can feel it wearing off later in the day via signaling by increased joint pain?! ๐Ÿ˜ณ Amazing! Makes me laugh how our bodies begin to creak & scream at us if we're not attending to its wishes! (Like the persistence of a hungry pet letting us know it's feeding time! ๐Ÿถ ๐Ÿฑ ) Truly amazing.

    Interesting, 15-20K IU vitamin D for 20-min sun exposure! ๐Ÿ‘ (Guess that's yet another good reason to get outside a few times a day! Perhaps spending more time in the garden when at home. ๐ŸŒž ๐ŸŒบ)

    Yes, I too have gone up to 5K IU daily maintenance dose (after inching upward from 1K, 2K, 3K, . . .). Recently, I've been trying to trend downward (5K, 4K, 3K, . . . ) with supplements & trend upward with sun exposure -- in light of the aforementioned article & video. So far, so good. ๐Ÿ‘

    This is what I'm guessing might be going on (inside my body): as the gut continues to heal (inflammation dissipates), the gut is better able to absorb nutrients, etc., and hormone function is beginning to shift back to 'somewhat normal'? (Of course, I've no way to prove any of this -- it's merely speculation.) The only evidence I have is -- continuing to feel well/ better. (Weird, I know.) Anyhoo, I've been trying to rely more on sunlight as a normal way to stimulate that Vit. D/ hormone production naturally & periodically take the Vit. D supplement if I think I didn't get enough sun exposure in a day. [I know, not very 'scientific' -- a bit too loosey-goosey . . . ๐Ÿ˜‰ ]

    I fully agree -- as it makes sense to me (a layman) -- when autoimmune disease has ravaged our Vit D/ hormone supply & we need to start functioning & feeling well, supplementation 'jump starts' our system. It's a lifesaver! ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿค— It can certainly help us feel remarkably better: increasing energy, reducing fatigue & joint pain . . . )

    To my mind, the question becomes: once we start improving (disease activity seemingly dissipates) & we are on a steady/ even keel for some time, if/ when should we consider lowering our Vit. D maintenance doses (via supplements) & start shifting to sun exposure as our primary way of stimulating Vit. D/ hormone (provided we live in areas/ seasons where we can get out in the sun)?

    All still very up in the air (in my mind) given the 'Fearless Parent' article & McDougall video. (For me, I don't like relying on supplements -- any supplements -- but realize I have to take some, in order to sustain wellness. [Same parallel for folks on pharmaceutical meds; we need to do what 'we need to do' in order to function -- whether we're happy about it or not.] Again, to my mind (just 'for me'), my goal is to wean off supplements & get as many nutrients as I can via 'normal/ natural' means -- foods, sunshine, . . . I realize, given a multitude of factors, this may not be achievable; yet, one can dream! ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿค—

    Wishing you wellness, Coastwalker. And, thank you kindly for sharing the 'Vitamin D Council' link & your much-valued insights. Much appreciated. ๐Ÿ™

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    Coastwalker:

    You are welcome Kai, nice to hear someone getting so excited about vitamin D too.

    Remembering our soil is getting overused, depleted of nutrition's and not forgetting some of the dangerous chemicals now added to our soils. I recently read that you would need to eat 40 apples to get the same nutrition value as you would have done with just one apple many years ago. So keep on supplementing I would say.

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    Kai--:

    Deeply troubling learning of nutrient deficiency rooted in soil depletion, Coastwalker. ๐Ÿ˜ณ Very disturbing. ๐Ÿ˜ฑ Now that more folks are becoming conscious of it, hopefully they'll be increased movement toward remedying it. ๐Ÿ™

    (Hopefully future generations will learn from our 'follies' & be aware of the trickle-down affect contributing to unnecessary suffering. ๐Ÿ‘)

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    My goodness, 1 yesteryear ๐ŸŽ =

    40 today ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ

    . . . . . . . . .๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ

    . . . . . . . . .๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ

    . . . . . . . . .๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ !! ๐Ÿ™ƒ

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    Understandable how one of these ๐Ÿ’Š is ingestible in 1 sitting rather than 40 apples (in 1 sitting)! ๐Ÿ˜

    We are starved for nutrients yet are as big as ๐Ÿฎ !!

    [The ironies, paradoxes, & contradictions never end. ๐Ÿ˜‰]

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    It all sadly seems so Kai.

    Thank goodness for the internet to get the word out that we need to change for the better and for our future generations.

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    More (new) info on Vit. D/ hormone supplementation from Dr. Michael Greger (of NutritionFacts.org) that might be of interest ๐Ÿค“ :

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    ๐Ÿ’Š ๐ŸŒž (1) Do Vitamin D Supplements Help with Diabetes, Weight Loss, and Blood Pressure? nutritionfacts.org/video/do...

    ๐Ÿ’Š ๐ŸŒž (2) Will You Live Longer if You Take Vitamin D Supplements? nutritionfacts.org/video/wi....

    ๐Ÿ’Š ๐ŸŒž (3) How Much Vitamin D Should You Take? nutritionfacts.org/video/ho...

    ๐Ÿ’Š ๐ŸŒž (4) The Optimal Dose of Vitamin DBased on Natural Levels nutritionfacts.org/video/th....

    ๐Ÿ’Š ๐ŸŒž (5) The Best Way to Get Vitamin D: Sun, Supplements, or Salons? nutritionfacts.org/video/th....

    ๐Ÿ’Š ๐ŸŒž (6) The Risks and Benefits of Sensible Sun Exposure nutritionfacts.org/video/th...

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    [Just when we think we've a bit of a handle on Vit. D/ hormone, new info has us questioning things further. ๐Ÿ˜ณ Oy vey! ๐Ÿ˜‰ (An endless voyage of discovery . . . ๐Ÿ™ƒ)]

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    Additional info at post: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    "Vitamin D" search results at NutritionFacts.Org for even more info ๐Ÿ˜ฑ : nutritionfacts.org/?fwp_sea...

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    Thank you Kai--

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    Additional cobbled together Vitamin D (Hormone) references at former year(s)-old post ('Have you viewed 'ThatVitamin Movie' or 'Forks Over Knives'?': healthunlocked.com/nras/pos... ) that had also 'gone poof'. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

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    Serious re-think of Vitamin D supplementation (in contrast to "ThatVitamin Movie") at Thyroid UK forum:

    ๐Ÿ”— healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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    ๐Ÿ”† Supplementing For Low Vitamin D? Not So Fast ...: fearlessparent.org/suppleme...

    ๐Ÿ”† John McDougall: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

    ๐Ÿ”† Vitamin D Supplements are Harmful, Industry and the US Dietary Guidelines:

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    References from video, if you don't have a full hour to devout to viewing at 1 sitting or may wish to review the information in writing:

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    Dr. McDougallโ€™s Color Picture Book: Food Poisoning: drmcdougall.com/health/educ...

    ๐Ÿ“• Printable PDF file: drmcdougall.com/wp/wp-conte...

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    Vitamin D Supplements Are Harmful โ€” Sunshine and Food Determine Health (March 2015): drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl...

    ๐Ÿ“• Printable PDF file: drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl...

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    Lies and Damned Lies: Damned Lies Harm the Public and Planet Earth (June 2015): drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl...

    ๐Ÿ“• Printable PDF file: drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl...

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    Broccoli and Kale Taste Bitter (August 2015): drmcdougall.com/2015/08/31/...

    ๐Ÿ“• Printable PDF file: drmcdougall.com/misc/2015nl...

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    An additional 'considered response' to Vit.D query that may be of interest; again, also a year ago, etc.: 'Vitamin D tablets and RA': healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    'Supplemental' Vitamin D info ๐Ÿ˜‰: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

    Replies # 2, 3, & 4 may interest you, ----. ๐Ÿ‘ ๐ŸŒž

    Good luck ๐Ÿ€. A lot to think about. ๐Ÿ™

    [Rather than regurgitate my (positive) experience with Vit. D supplementation here, my experience is posted elsewhere & linked to above. โ˜บ๏ธ ]

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    Merely additional thoughts:

    To date, I've had (remarkable) good fortune ๐Ÿ™ with Vit. D (as well as several other nutrients) in supplement form (capsules/ tablets). And, I don't regret having taken my physician-prescribed doses (& follow-up maintenance doses). ๐Ÿค—

    But, in light of new information (Dr. McDougall video, 'Fearless Parent' article, & discussions in forum posts), (& significantly improved health) I'm currently working toward reducing capsule/ tablet 'supplementation' & migrating toward more sun exposure. ๐ŸŒž ๐Ÿ‘ [That's merely my unique experience, & I'm not implying you (or anyone), ---- should follow suit. We all need to 'figure out' ๐Ÿค” what works best for our unique situations -- along with our physicians input. ๐Ÿ—ฃ ]

    What I'd once understood as a seemingly simple/ direct 'solution' is a quite a bit more subtle/ nuanced/ complex than I'd initially grasped. ๐Ÿ˜ฑ

    It appears so many of the things we're 'taught' (& eventually come to 'believe' as unshakeable 'fact/ truth') -- are not always as we initially understand them to be . . . ๐Ÿ™ƒ

    Yes, 'confusion & ambiguity reign!' โ‰๏ธ ๐Ÿ™ƒ

    If interested in exploring the Vitamin D topic further, ----, kindly consider taking the time to review the linked to materials & of course -- as usual -- work hand-in-hand with your physician(s). ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘

    Be well, dear lady. ๐Ÿ™

    Kind regards, โ˜บ๏ธ

    Kai

    [Don't know if you're already familiar with the aforementioned references, ----, but they may interest you too. (I know, I know -- it never gets an simpler. ๐Ÿ˜‰ There's always 'pesky wrinkles'! ๐Ÿ˜‰ )]

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    Additional recent Vitamin D (Hormone) info via ITYFIALMCTT at UK NRAS forum:

    ๐Ÿ‘‰ Vitamin D Guidelines UK: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

    . . . โ€ข NICE treatment and prevention summary for Vit D deficiency in adults: cks.nice.org.uk/vitamin-d-d...

    . . . โ€ข NRAS photosensitivity: nras.org.uk/photosensitivity

    . . . โ€ข Catherine Collins (registered dietician): healthunlocked.com/user/cat... (from post: Are vitamin D pills 'pointless' : healthunlocked.com/healthye... )

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    ๐Ÿ‘‰ Could I have RA?: healthunlocked.com/nras/pos...

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    (Many thanks to ITYFIALMCTT. ๐Ÿ™ ๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒบ ๐ŸŒž )

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