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Please can someone read my tests and explain what's wrong with me plz

TSH : 2.4 in june

Serum free t4 level : 16.1

They never allowed me to do the t3 saying it's the same as t4

Plasma parathyroid hormone :7.2

Serum triglycerides 0.5

Haemoglobin estimation 14.2

White cell count 4.4

Red blood cell RBC count 5.17

Vitamin d3: 26

Folate serum 17.3

B12: 423

Ferritin : 25

Potassium 5.1

Sodium 138

Calcium 2.38

Tsh : 2.4

Cholesterol 4.9

Glucose level plasma 4.3

Potassium 5.1

Cortisol 317

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humanbean profile image
humanbean

Nope, sorry. The numbers are much too small to read.

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ShinyB

The photo comes up with text that is too small to read :( I know it's a pain but you might need to type the results out for anyone to be able to read them and help you.

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Results and ranges that we need are

TSH

FT3

FT4

TPO antibodies

TG antibodies

Vitamin D

Folate

B12

Ferritin

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Done

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ShinyB in reply to Healthbabe

It probably sounds like we're just being picky, but it's also important to include the ranges for each test (it's usually in brackets after the actual test result eg. fT4 16 (11-21) - that one's made up but just to give you an idea. Different labs use different ranges, so it's about working out where you are within the specific range that particular lab uses.

Having said that, it's tricky to have much idea what's really going on without the free T3 result. Most GPs won't test this and most people have to resort to getting a private test done though somewhere like medichecks.com. T3 is most definitely NOT the same as fT4. T4 is a sort of 'storage' hormone, and needs to be converted to the active thyroid hormone fT3. It's that figure which will give you more of an idea of what's going on.

Add your ranges for the others though, particularly the vitamins.

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Healthbabe in reply to ShinyB

Thankyou for replying. unfortunately there is no range stated on the forms. Damn

Thanks anyway.

I might get that t3 done privately

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ShinyB in reply to Healthbabe

Make sure you get fT4 and fT3 done at the same time, as the two together will give a good idea of what's going on. This test includes most of the things that are good to get checked: medichecks.com/thyroid-func... Also, Thursdays are when they have special offers on their thyroid tests! :)

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Healthbabe

Ok thankyou .. !! When you asked for the tpo and tg antibodies earlier did I actually find the correct ones or were they the wrong ones?(Plasma parathyroid hormone :7.2

Serum triglycerides 0.5

Haemoglobin estimation 14.2

White cell count 4.4

Red blood cell RBC count 5.17

Because I couldn't find what you wrote in the list

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humanbean in reply to Healthbabe

I can't see any results for thyroid antibodies, unfortunately.

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Jazzw

Healthbabe are you diagnosed with hypothyroidism? Do you take levothyroxine? If so, what we *can* say is that you’re looking undermedicated with a TSH of 2+.

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Healthbabe in reply to Jazzw

Yes I think that was the diagnosis or a name similar to that .but not confirmed.i don't take medication kind of against them due to side effects kidney liver damage etc. I'm now on dim plus and milk thistle

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Jazzw in reply to Healthbabe

I don’t know what dim plus is. But I would say, levothyroxine is a hormone replacement rather than a drug. If you’re not taking levothyroxine and your TSH is 2-ish, then things could be a lot worse—your body isn’t doing too badly.

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Healthbabe in reply to Jazzw

I'm going to get the tests done at my GP :)

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Healthbabe in reply to Jazzw

Could be hyperparathyroidism or what you said but they are not sure themselves

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Healthbabe in reply to Healthbabe

How did you know?what I might have had

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Are you on Levothyroxine already? Or trying to get diagnosed?

Are you in UK? If so presumably vitamin D in measured in nmol and 26nmol is very low

Supplementing to improve vitamin D to around 100nmol.

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is good as avoids poor gut function. Suggest you supplement 1000iu for 2-3 months and retest. It's trial and error what dose each person needs. Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there. Retesting twice yearly via vitamindtest.org.uk

Also read up on importance of magnesium and vitamin K2 Mk7 supplements when taking vitamin D

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

articles.mercola.com/sites/...

healthy-holistic-living.com...

articles.mercola.com/sites/...

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

easy-immune-health.com/magn...

Ferritin and B12 likely also too low (need ranges really to be certain)

All thyroid tests should be done as early as possible in morning and fasting and don't take Levo in the 24 hours prior to test, delay and take straight after. This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip, GP will be unaware)

Is this how you did the test?

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Hi, I'm just looking to get diagnosed as doctors won't take me seriously. It took me a whole year to convince me to have the tests done. So having them done again will be a task. I was diagnosed last year's with hypothyroidism or something similar but never conclusive.so I'm at it again .I don't take meds as I avoid medication at all costs. I am on dim plus and milk thistle at the moment after reading some blogs .

I will buy d3 spray! I suffer since many years with extreme dissiness when turning , lethargy depression weight issues, cellulite (don't know if it's related), memory

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Healthbabe

When we have been low in vitamin D, you can also have low B vitamins. Read here

drgominak.com/sleep/vitamin...

You may also benefit from daily good quality vitamin B complex too. This may be reason for dizziness when turning

If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 3-5 days before any blood tests, as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Yes it's been a week since I been injecting b12. Everyday. Plus taking dim plus . Milk thistle and so on so I will have to stop it a week before the test if not longer. The dissiness is one of my biggest issues I can barely turn without getting a blind feeling hard to explain . I also have vaginal discharge. . I will need to eventually buy a multivitamin to avoid taking too many vitamins .

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Healthbabe

Your B12 level was not low enough to suggest you needed injections and certainly not every day

Too much B12 may be causing problems.

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greygoose in reply to Healthbabe

I really wouldn't advise you to get a multivit, they're just a waste of money! And could contain things you don't need.

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Jazzw in reply to Healthbabe

I’m guessing you were diagnosed with Hashimoto’s from what you say, which can make thyroid function fluctuate, sometimes quite wildly from underactive to overactive. Often doctors don’t treat it until your thyroid hormone levels drop to a certain level (and TSH rises above 10). But it’s hard to say. You can always ask to see a copy of your medical notes if you’re in the UK using a subject access request, then you’ll know for sure. It’s always a good idea to stay on top of what diagnoses are being made and to keep records for yourself so you can track your health over time.

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Hi I'm going to call my gp. What are the precise tests called that I need? Thankyou

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Healthbabe

You may have already had thyroid antibodies tested, if you are already diagnosed as having autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto's)

Levels of thyroid hormones vary with Hashimoto's and disease progresses over time

Ask for thyroid blood tests to be repeated and to include testing for thyroid antibodies this time and FT3

Ideally they will test both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies.

However if TPO are not raised, they often don't do TG antibodies

healthline.com/health/antit...

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/tuk/testing/t...

Link about antibodies and Hashimoto's

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/about_...

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/about_...

All thyroid tests should be done as early as possible in morning and fasting This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip, GP will be unaware)

You will ideally need to improve vitamin D levels first before testing

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Thankyou. I just wanted to have the entire tests done from scratch again as the ones I mentioned in my post were from 2013. Does a full blood count test include everything I need to check all my levels from vitamins to thyroid to diabetes everything t3t 4.? I just don't know how to ask my GP.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Healthbabe

No - full blood count usually means testing for Anaemia- iron and ferritin

Just ask for thyroid testing including thyroid antibodies. But if you have already had antibodies tested in past which is likely, as you say you were already diagnosed as having Hashimoto's then the NHS rarely repeat antibodies testing.

How long since last thyroid tests?

No point testing B12 as you have been supplementing. You need to tell GP that you have been injecting B12

Folate and ferritin test useful

You already know you have low vitamin D

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Ok . I had all my tests done in 2013. Thankyou

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Healthbabe

If you have high thyroid antibodies then testing should be annual.

nhs.uk/conditions/underacti...

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Healthbabe

Ok I'll read up on that natural med. The reason I am also not medicating is also because I don't think medication is going to cure anything . I also don't know what I have whether it's hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism or hyperparathyroidism. That's why I thought someone could diagnose me here

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Healthbabe in reply to Healthbabe

I also thought that to fix the issue I needed to fix the root of the problem rather than the symptoms

After reading alot I think the root of the problems is the putiuary gland..tell me if I'm wrong

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Healthbabe

Thanks I'll definately get tested again. My sister polycystic somthing and my mum had her ovaries removed or somthing. She also has symptoms like me. It definitely runs in the genes

Thanks

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Healthbabe

It's also possible I may have intermittent hypothyroidism ups and downs or maybe my symptoms and tests might not be thyroid related and I may have another problem all together like anemia or somthing but I think I have a thyroid issue. Though my neck is not swollen. My mother's is. I do get loss of voice sometimes but Its anxiety I think as I've had anxiety all my life. I will get the t3 test etc done . I need to convince the doctor

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Healthbabe

I do get extreme pelvic pains in right and left side . I think I also have endometriosis.. can you send me the link to the root cause protocol because I googled it and this woman on Facebook writes about her finding a naturopath and gave her natural dessicated thyroid.

Where can I get a full antibody screen? Does it include everything possible? T3 t4 etc?

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SlowDragonAdministrator

So your sister has PCOS - autoimmune

PCOS and autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto's) are often linked

Hashimoto's causes variation in hormone levels

You need antibodies and FT3 tested

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Ok what is the antibody test called? I want to ask my GP first if he will do it

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Jazzw in reply to Healthbabe

Just ask him to check thyroid antibodies.

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Also my mother has low potassium . Don't know if it has any relevance

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humanbean

What time of day was the blood taken for these tests?

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Healthbabe in reply to humanbean

11.10 am. Why? 🤔

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humanbean in reply to Healthbabe

TSH, which is what doctors rely on to diagnose hypothyroidism or hyperthyroidism or to judge the accuracy of existing treatment, varies throughout the day and night.

Patients have discovered that they get the highest TSH if they do the following :

1) Don't take Levo for 24 hours before a test. Don't take NDT or T3 for 12 hours before a test.

2) Arrange testing for as early in the morning as possible, and by 9am at the latest.

3) Don't eat or drink (apart from water) for about 10 hours before the blood draw. Drink plenty of water so that you aren't dehydrated for the blood draw.

4) After getting blood taken, take missed doses of Levo or NDT, and if appropriate, T3 as well. But you don't want to take several T3 doses at the same time!

Following the above protocol will give you the highest possible TSH. When or if your TSH gets higher then following the above protocol will give you the best chance of getting a high TSH and a diagnosis of hypothyroidism. We don't discuss this protocol with doctors or other medical staff. Some people have been refused an early blood test when one was specifically requested, just because they were told "Thyroid tests don't have to be done early in the morning". (This happened to me.) If it ever happened to me again I would make up something non-medical (an interview for a job, going away for a few days, something believable) to try and get an early test.

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Healthbabe in reply to humanbean

The only problem here is I am not on any medication except milk thistle and dim plus and self injecting b12 for skin hair fatigue motives . So I'll stop them a few days before the test ok? But I am not on Levo NDT or t3 meds or anything so I can't take or stop anyy medication before and after tests anyway. I haven't been really diagnosed and I am looking for natural remedies.thanks for the rest of the advice. My task now is trying to convince my gp to do all these tests as they want me to elaborate why I want each test very sarcastic saying that the t3 is not essential etc etcetc . I will only explain all the extensive symptoms I have dissiness lethargy and lots more.

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Healthbabe in reply to Healthbabe

Ps what are all the tests I need to ask for then?

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humanbean in reply to Healthbabe

The list of tests that you need are given by SlowDragon in her first reply to this thread.

To get full info on your iron status you would also need to get this list tested :

medichecks.com/iron-tests/i...

Sadly, few GPs ever do this set of tests, so people who need to know whether to supplement iron may have to pay for it.

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humanbean in reply to Healthbabe

But I am not on Levo NDT or t3 meds or anything so I can't take or stop anyy medication before and after tests anyway.

I gave the info about Levo, NDT and T3 just for completeness. One day you might be on meds for hypothyroidism and need to know how to get the best TSH result. Also, other people might find this information helpful.

Your ferritin (iron stores) is too low for most people with thyroid issues to feel well. Without a reference range its difficult to say with any certainty how high it should be. The "standard" reference range is something like 13 - 150 for ferritin. If that is the ref range that applies to your result then I would suggest your ferritin would be best if it was around 70 - 85. For other reference ranges you should aim for middle of the range.

BUT, if you have high serum iron (and you haven't had this tested as far as I can see) and high transferrin saturation (also not tested) then supplementing iron to increase ferritin is not a good idea at all and could make you feel worse.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Healthbabe

It takes at least 3-4 months for B12 levels to return to base levels

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

I was not diagnosed with anything. That's why I wanted everything possible checked ( vitamins, anemia, bone profile lipids, full blood count ,t3-4, tsh . I thought there was a professional term to ask in one word or two. I only been injecting since 4 -5 days so I didn't want to mention that.

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Karenk13

Hi Healthbabe to be honest if your not on any thyroid medication right now then your tsh is in a good range for a normal person. Without TPO antibodies no one here can diagnose you and also remember that we are not medical professionals we can only advise you. You can always get all of these tested through medichecks or blue horizon privately they do a full thyroid screen with anitbodies and all the vitamins that can cause similar symptoms.

Any of the following vitamin definiciencies can cause the same symptoms as Thyroid problems so make sure these are all in range and see if you feel better afterwards.

Iron, B12, D3. It could be Polysystic Ovary syndrome if it runs in the family as stated above I would also mention this to the doctor. Again that can cause similar syptoms such as Fatigue, Weight gain and irregular menstrual cycle.

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SlowDragonAdministrator

See your GP and tell him that your sister has PCOS and your mum has autoimmune disease

Therefore as autoimmune thyroid disease has strong genetic link can they please test your thyroid antibodies

Your sister also likely needs Thyroid antibodies tested

hashimotoshealing.com/hashi...

Literally thousands on here forced to run private testing of full Thyroid and vitamin levels in order to get diagnosed

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Appreciate the response :)

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Healthbabe in reply to SlowDragon

Went to see doctor and he's only testing the following:

Renal and electrolyte

Liver function

Bone profile

Thyroid function

CRP

B12 folate

Plasma glucose

FBC

They said they won't do others like t3 etc unless these turn out like or to worry about

What do you think?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Healthbabe

Come back on new post with results and ranges

You may need to test rest privately

B12 test is waste of time as you need to be off all B vitamin supplements for 3-4 months

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Healthbabe

Went to see doctor and he's only testing the following:

Renal and electrolyte

Liver function

Bone profile

Thyroid function

CRP

B12 folate

Plasma glucose

FBC

They said they won't do others like t3 etc unless these turn out like or to worry about

What do you think?

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Healthbabe

Well it's been around 4 months now that I've been avoiding gluten. I rarely eat it . Lactose too. I dont eat much meat or fish anynore. But I had discharge since I was a 12 and now I'm mid 30's .. it's something natural ..I've been tested. I eat avocados,onions,garlic ginger,tomatoes,alot of fruit and juices! Maybe it takes time to clean my system. Hopefully everything will clear up sooner or later

Cookware is normal but I don't do much cooking. I eat alot of raw .I've been losing alot of weight since I'm taking b12. That's the only advantage so far. But I've come up with a sore throat glue like symptoms.dim plus contains diindolylmethane, a phytonutrient found in cruciferous vegetables including broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower and kale. Diindolylmethane has unique benefits that support the activity of enzymes that improve estrogen metabolism.

I'm from Wales UK . I don't know why the doctor's deny the tests I ask for. I was on a call explaining everything and she said we will test you for this and if it comes up with a problem we will do the other tests .. but I know that's never the case they always end up giving you medication or saying it's not bad when it probably is. I'm sure some people can relate.its always about saving money for the NHS

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Healthbabe

I have always suffered dissiness, lethargy weakness. Pale skin, cold hands. Dissiness when I am sitting and then I get up, fogginess, depression anxiety the list goes on

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thedeep

I have been there with the range of symptoms, even detected with hypo (Hashimoto's), been prescribed levo but not started with it till now(been more than an year now). My TSH and TPO have come down drastically and now are at optimal sustained level.

Since you asked for some natural remedies, here's something that might work.

For now, don't eat any cruciferous vegetables or suppliments, nightshades, and gluten. Avoid caffeine completely.

It might sound difficult but have only 3 meals a day: Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner(specifically, cooked at home). (at 8 AM-1PM -8 PM). That's it. Nothing apart from that. Nothing off the shelf. (Try getting all food items from organic sources and if you are taking dairy, try if you can get A2 dairy products). Make sure these 3 sessions are a minimum of 30 minutes each and you wont get up before that. Avoid talking, watching the TV or interacting with the cell phone while you eat.

Supplements: Continue with Vit. D3 and B12 but make sure when you are at the optimal level, stop them for a while. Try adding Magnesium, Selenium and Folic Acid to the list.

Tests: Your cortisol seems abnormally high, do you have the reference scale for that?

Misc: Start practicing meditation (if you have not done already) for at least 10 min/day in the morning and some breathing exercises. It might sound weird(yes its a part of the remedy), but if at all you have a grudge/bad feeling/negative emotion towards someone for any specific reason, just try forgiving them and forget about it, irrespective of anything! (As I said it sounds totally weird but worth a try).

PS: The suggestions might seem absurd, but hey whats the loss in giving a try? :P

Try this for 3 weeks let me know.

.peace and love.

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Healthbabe in reply to thedeep

Hi. Thanks. I'm off gluten and lactose and I will take the rest of your advice now. I am interested in meditation so will give it a try with some relaxing music if possible :)

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