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GEtting desperate now continued - Blood tests back - opinions please!

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My latest results are below.

The report mentions the low TSH suggests I am being overtreated. Now what I don't understand is how can I be over treated AND still the conventional symptoms of under active thyroid?! I'm gaining weight, dry itchy skin and hair, fatigue/tiredness, sometimes slow motion both physical and mentally and the dreaded depression/anxiety.

My GP just fiddles with Levo up and down, I'm on 225mcg, brought up in Dec from 200mcg because I am feeling blarghhhh!

What else can I do? I have already started vit D and that does better it a tad wincy bit... I had a mirena coil inserted 5 years ago and that stopped mw being anaemic as my periods were far too heavy (and pms...)

ENDOCRINOLOGY

Thyroid Function

THYROID STIMULATING HORMONE *0.043 mIU/L 0.27 - 4.20

FREE THYROXINE 21.5 pmol/L 12.00 - 22.00

TOTAL THYROXINE(T4) 117.0 nmol/L 59.00 - 154.00

FREE T3 4.34 pmol/L 3.10 - 6.80

THYROGLOBULIN ANTIBODY 50.100 IU/mL 0.00 - 115.00

THYROID PEROXIDASE ANTIBODIES*56.5 IU/mL 0.00 - 34.00

HAEMATOLOGY

Vitamins

ACTIVE B12 63.300 pmol/L 25.10 - 165.00

FOLATE (SERUM) 5.63 ug/L 2.91 - 50.00

25

OH VITAMIN D *46.5 nmol/L 50.00 - 200.00

Interpretation of results:

Deficient <25

Insufficient 25 - 49

Normal Range 50 - 200

Consider reducing dose

>200

BIOCHEMISTRY

Inflammation Marker

CRP - HIGH SENSITIVITY 1.01 mg/l 0.00 - 5.00

Iron

Status

FERRITIN 55.6 ug/L 13.00 - 150.00

Thank you all so much for your support!

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What do you mean, utensils and cooking in? I am new on “research”, I haven’t come across anything yet about materials, is there any no no material?

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SilviadeSousa,

The lab is suggesting you are overtreated because TSH is suppressed but FT4 and FT3 are within range so you are NOT overtreated. FT3 is less than halfway through range so you might feel better with some T3 added to Levothyroxine reduced to 200mcg to raise FT3. Your GP will probably need to refer you to endocrinology for a recommendation for T3 before GP can prescribe it.

Thyroid peroxidase antibodies are positive for autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto's). There is no cure for Hashimoto's which causes 90% of hypothyroidism. Levothyroxine treatment is for the low thyroid levels it causes. Many people have found that 100% gluten-free diet is helpful in reducing Hashi flares, symptoms and eventually antibodies.

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Active B12 >35 is unlikely to be deficient.

Folate is optimal halfway through range. Eating leafy green veg and supplementing folic acid or methylfolate for 3-4 months will raise folate.

Ferritin is also optimal halfway through range. Eating more iron rich food will raise iron/ferritin. Liver once a week is good for this.

CRP is low which is good as it is an inflammation marker.

How much vit D3 are you supplementing.

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SilviadeSousa in reply to Clutter

Thank you Clutter. I will start ditching gluten and will have a word with GP. Vit D is 50mcg a day since two days ago.

Thank you so much for your support.!

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Clutter in reply to SilviadeSousa

SilviadeSousa,

VitD is replete >75 and optimal 100-150. I'd increase vitD to 125mcg (5,000iu) daily for 8 weeks then reduce to 5,000iu alternate days and retest in June. Take vitD 4 hours away from Levothyroxine.

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SilviadeSousa in reply to Clutter

Thank you!

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So your high antibodies confirm you have Hashimoto's also called autoimmune thyroid disease.

About 90% of all primary hypothyroidism in Uk is due to Hashimoto's

Hashimoto's affects the gut and leads to low stomach acid and then low vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels affect Thyroid hormone working

Poor gut function can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances. Most common by far is gluten

According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but over 80% find gluten free diet helps significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

But don't be surprised that GP or endo never mention gut, gluten or low vitamins. Hashimoto's gut connection is very poorly understood

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and slowly lower TPO antibodies

Ideally ask GP for coeliac blood test first

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Vitamin D is too low. Do you supplement, if so how much?

Need to improve to around 100nmol. Better You vitamin D mouth spray is good as avoids poor gut function. Perhaps try 2 x 3000iu per day for 6 weeks, then reduce to once a day. Retesting in 3 months, can do via vitamindtest.org.uk - £28 if not doing a full retest

Likely to need ongoing maintenance dose, trial and error what each person needs. Possibly 1000iu or may be more, especially in winter. Test twice yearly

Ferritin is borderline, eating liver once a week should help improve. Should aim for level to be above 70

B12 and folate both on low side

Active B12 under 70 is considered low

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Improve by taking a good vitamin B complex daily that has folate in (not folic acid). Might also need sublingual B12 lozenge (1000mcg) daily

If you don't already supplement selenium it's recommended

Vitamin C also supports adrenals

Only start one supplement at a time and wait at least 10-14 days to assess if any noticeable changes, good or bad

Your FT4 is right at top of range, but your FT3 is low, so like many with Hashimoto's you are poor converter.

Once you have improved all vitamins and gone strictly gluten free, this may improve. Suggest retesting in 2-3 months . If FT3 remains low then look at adding small dose of T3.

Dr Toft, past president of the British Thyroid Association and leading endocrinologist, states in Pulse Magazine,

"The appropriate dose of levothyroxine is that which restores euthyroidism and serum TSH to the lower part of the reference range - 0.2-0.5mU/l.

In this case, free thyroxine is likely to be in the upper part of its reference range or even slightly elevated – 18-22pmol/l.

Most patients will feel well in that circumstance. But some need a higher dose of levothyroxine to suppress serum TSH and then the serum-free T4 concentration will be elevated at around 24-28pmol/l.

This 'exogenous subclinical hyperthyroidism' is not dangerous as long as serum T3 is unequivocally normal – that is, serum total around T3 1.7nmol/l (reference range 1.0-2.2nmol/l)."

You can obtain a copy of the articles from Thyroid UK email print it and highlight question 6 to show your doctor

 please email Dionne at

tukadmin@thyroiduk.org

Also request list of recommended thyroid specialists, some are T3 friendly

Professor Toft recent article saying, T3 may be necessary for many

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SilviadeSousa

Reallyfedup123, thank you for your clarification.

I’m ok then, not use any of them.

I’m really glad you have had a good outcome, I hope that I can be as lucky .

Thank you for your support!

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SilviadeSousa

Thank you Slowdragon. I’m taking it all in. Thank you for your support!

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silverfox7

Agree with SlowDragon. Getting vitamins etc optimal may mean you don't need to add in T3 I did this a few years ago now but it took me 5 months but that depends on how low you are and the doses you take to rectify it but it's well worth the effort.

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SilviadeSousa in reply to silverfox7

Thank you Silverfox7 for your support

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Muffy

Your FT3 needs to be higher in the range, so a drop in Thyroxine with an addition of T3.

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SilviadeSousa in reply to Muffy

Thank you Muffy .

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