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1st blood tests since starting 25mg Eltroxin- please help me interpret them.

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Free T4 12.2 (10.50-22.00)

T3 lab refused to analyze

TSH 3.67 (0.27-4.20)

Serum vit B12. 399 (188-883)

Serum Folate 8.7 (3.00-17.00)

Serum Ferritin 19.0 (10.00-200.00)

Iron 18 (9.00-30.00)

Transferrin 2.5 (2.00-3.60)

Calculated TIBC 63 (53.00-95.00)

Transferrin Sat. 29 (19.00-43.00)

Vitamin D 28 ( deficiency <50, Insufficient 50-75, Adequate >75)

Previous blood tests showed autoimmune thyroid/ hashimoto.

I have been told to stay on 25mg Eltroxin, which I have been on for nearly 8 weeks, and to start Altavita D3 supplement.

What do you think?

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25mc of levothyroxine is an incremental dose, usual starting dose is 50mcg with an increase of 25mcg every six weeks till TSH is 1 or lower. Not somewhere within the range. It is a pity doctors are unaware of this.

All of the following are too low and others will be along and give advice of how best to increase them. Did your doctor suggest how these could be brought up nearer the top, rather the bottom?

Serum vit B12. 399 (188-883)

Serum Folate 8.7 (3.00-17.00)

Serum Ferritin 19.0 (10.00-200.00)

Iron 18 (9.00-30.00)

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Free T4 12.2 (10.50-22.00)

T3 lab refused to analyze

TSH 3.67 (0.27-4.20)

I have been told to stay on 25mg Eltroxin

Doctor is wrong. The aim of a treated hypo patient generally is for TSH to be 1 or below or wherever it needs to be for FT4 and FT3 to be in the upper part of their respective reference ranges when on Levo. You need an increase in your dose. To support your request see thyroiduk.org/tuk/about_the... > Treatment Options:

"According to the BMA's booklet, "Understanding Thyroid Disorders", many people do not feel well unless their levels are at the bottom of the TSH range or below and at the top of the FT4 range or a little above."

The booklet is written by Dr Anthony Toft, past president of the British Thyroid Association and leading endocrinologist. It's published by the British Medical Association for patients. Avalable on Amazon and from pharmacies for £4.95 and might be worth buying to highlight the appropriate part and show your doctor. However, I don't know if this is in the current edition as it has been reprinted a few times.

Dr Toft states in Pulse Magazine, "The appropriate dose of levothyroxine is that which restores euthyroidism and serum TSH to the lower part of the reference range - 0.2-0.5mU/l.

In this case, free thyroxine is likely to be in the upper part of its reference range or even slightly elevated – 18-22pmol/l. Most patients will feel well in that circumstance.

But some need a higher dose of levothyroxine to suppress serum TSH and then the serum-free T4 concentration will be elevated at around 24-28pmol/l.

This 'exogenous subclinical hyperthyroidism' is not dangerous as long as serum T3 is unequivocally normal – that is, serum total around T3 1.7nmol/l (reference range 1.0-2.2nmol/l)."

You can obtain a copy of the article by emailing dionne.fulcher@thyroiduk.org print it and highlight question 6 to show your doctor.

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Vitamin D 28 ( deficiency <50, Insufficient 50-75, Adequate >75)

What is the dose of the Altavita D3?

You can see that your level comes within the Deficiency category and your GP should prescribe loading doses according to NICE treatment summary for Vit D deficiency:

cks.nice.org.uk/vitamin-d-d...

"Treat for Vitamin D deficiency if serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25[OH]D) levels are less than 30 nmol/L.

For the treatment of vitamin D deficiency, the recommended treatment is based on fixed loading doses of vitamin D (up to a total of about 300,000 international units [IU] given either as weekly or daily split doses, followed by lifelong maintenace treatment of about 800 IU a day. Higher doses of up to 2000IU a day, occasionally up to 4000 IU a day, may be used for certain groups of people, for example those with malabsorption disorders. Several treatment regims are available, including 50,000 IU once a week for 6 weeks (300,000 IU in total), 20,000 IU twice a week for 7 weeks (280,000 IU in total), or 4000 IU daily for 10 weeks (280,000 IU in total)."

Once these have been completed you will need a reduced amount to bring your level up to what's recommended by the Vit D Council - which is 100-150nmol/L - and then you'll need a maintenance dose which may be 2000iu daily, it's trial and error so it's recommended to retest once or twice a year to keep within the recommended range. You can do this with a private fingerprick blood spot test with City Assays vitamindtest.org.uk/

Your doctor wont know, because they are not taught nutrition, but there are important cofactors needed when taking D3

vitamindcouncil.org/about-v...

D3 aids absorption of calcium from food and K2-MK7 directs the calcium to bones and teeth where it is needed and away from arteries and soft tissues where it can be deposited and cause problems.

D3 and K2 are fat soluble so should be taken with the fattiest meal of the day, D3 four hours away from thyroid meds.

Magnesium helps D3 to work and comes in different forms, check to see which would suit you best and as it's calming it's best taken in the evening, four hours away from thyroid meds

naturalnews.com/046401_magn...

Check out the other cofactors too.

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What about the rest, as they are within range your GP may say they are fine but they're not.

Serum vit B12. 399 (188-883)

Serum Folate 8.7 (3.00-17.00)

Do you have any signs of B12 deficiency - b12deficiency.info/signs-an... If not you could self supplement with sublingual methylcobalamin, if you do have any signs then further investigation is necessary so you should discuss them with your GP.

I have read (but not researched so don't have links) that BCSH, UKNEQAS and NICE guidelines recommend:

"In the presence of discordance between test results and strong clinical features of deficiency, treatment should not be delayed to avoid neurological impairment."

And an extract from the book, "Could it be B12?" by Sally M. Pacholok:

"We believe that the 'normal' serum B12 threshold needs to be raised from 200 pg/ml to at least 450 pg/ml because deficiencies begin to appear in the cerebrospinal fluid below 550".

"For brain and nervous system health and prevention of disease in older adults, serum B12 levels should be maintained near or above 1000 pg/ml."

Folate should be at least half way through range (10+ with that range) and a good B Complex containing methylfolate will help raise your level. If you take B12 then B Complex is needed to balance all the B vitamins.

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Serum Ferritin 19.0 (10.00-200.00)

For thyroid hormone to work (that's our own as well as replacement hormone) ferritin needs to be at least 70, preferably half way through range. My surgery would prescribe iron tablets (if pushed) for your level. If you do take them then take each iron tablet with 1000mg Vitamin C to aid absorption and help prevent constipaton. Always take iron 4 hours away from thyroid meds and two hours away from other medication and supplements as it will affect absorption.

You can also help raise your level by eating liver regularly, maximum 200g per week due to it's high Vit A content, and including lots of iron rich foods in your diet apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/in...

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ETA: Are you addressing the Hashi's by adopting a strict gluten free diet and supplementing with selenium l-selenomethionine 200mcg daily to help reduce the antibodies? Keeping TSH suppressed can help reduce antibodies too.

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Nice guidelines recommend starting at 50mcg saying how to retest and increase

Note recommended starting dose is 50mcg and that most patients need between 100mcg and 200mcg

cks.nice.org.uk/hypothyroid...

Your results show you need dose increase. FT4 is too low.

All thyroid tests should be done as early as possible in morning and fasting and don't take Levo in the 24 hours prior to test, delay and take straight after. This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results

Is this how you did the test? If not make sure to do it this way next time

If your antibodies are high this is Hashimoto's, (also known by medics here in UK more commonly as autoimmune thyroid disease).

About 90% of all hypothyroidism in Uk is due to Hashimoto's

Hashimoto's affects the gut and leads to low stomach acid and then low vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels affect Thyroid hormone working

Yours are all too low largely because you are under medicated

How much vitamin d are you prescribed? More than 800iu hopefully

Detailed supplements advice on how to improve here

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Poor gut function can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances. Most common by far is gluten

According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but over 80% find gluten free diet helps significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

But don't be surprised that GP or endo never mention gut, gluten or low vitamins. Hashimoto's gut connection is very poorly understood

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and slowly lower TPO antibodies

Ideally ask GP for coeliac blood test first

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amymyersmd.com/2017/02/3-im...

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