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Food supplements I hope will help

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I had: PSA 30, Gleason 10, PCa Stage 4 localized to pelvic region.

Treated with IMRT radiation + Eligard + Abiraterone. PSA undetectable.

Stopped Abiraterone due liver that hates it (liver is ok).

Will try Nubeqa, and may switch to Orgovyx after Eligard runs out in December.

While ADT starves the cancer, I am taking some food supplements to help with side effects. I tried to select "healthy" supplements that may fight prostate cancer as well.

I've included links to a paper on each. Any feedback welcome.

AKG - Calcium Alpha Ketoglutarate: sciencedirect.com/science/a...

CoQ10 - Coenzyme Q10: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

IP6 + Inositol - Inositol Hexaphosphate + Inositol: jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jn...

Magnesium - Citrate, Oxide, Malate: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Vitamin D3: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Melatonin: dovepress.com/getfile.php?f...

PQQ - Pyrroloquinoline-Quinone: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Resveratrol: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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j-o-h-n profile image
j-o-h-n

The best food for food supplements is food....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 10/06/2023 6:57 PM DST

Brad70 profile image
Brad70 in reply toj-o-h-n

I hope that includes red meat, bacon, and alcohol.

j-o-h-n profile image
j-o-h-n in reply toBrad70

And of course, chocolate covered Cialis and Viagra.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 10/06/2023 7:25 PM DST

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Brad70 in reply toj-o-h-n

Can that stuff overcome ADT?

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TuffNuttoCrack in reply toj-o-h-n

John actually my hospital advice is 80 grams protein and switch to plant based diet, 1/3 fruits, 1/3 veggies and 1/3 protein. Kind of hard to do constantly, if you want resveratrol eat red grapes

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j-o-h-n in reply toTuffNuttoCrack

And they're the ones to make Hospital Jello...........I'm Good, thanks...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 10/07/2023 1:423PM DST

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TuffNuttoCrack in reply toj-o-h-n

Just don’t get the green.

Bestfood
j-o-h-n profile image
j-o-h-n in reply toTuffNuttoCrack

ah shit........ that's my favorite......

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 10/07/2023 2:10 PM DST

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TuffNuttoCrack in reply toj-o-h-n

Not all hospitals have this scrumptious delight!

j-o-h-n profile image
j-o-h-n in reply toTuffNuttoCrack

But where's the bread? I know...."you don't get no bread with one meatball"...

youtube.com/watch?v=po5rUas...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 10/07/2023 4:08 PM DST

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j-o-h-n

Only if you smoke the weed.........

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 10/06/2023 7:32 PM DST

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Brad70 in reply toj-o-h-n

Perfect. Per the Feds (NIH): "cannabinoids were shown to reduce the size of prostate tumors".

j-o-h-n profile image
j-o-h-n in reply toBrad70

And Brain Grey matter.............

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 10/06/2023 9:27 PM DST

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Brad70 in reply toj-o-h-n

Those studies were confounded by alcohol use.....Hey, where's my beer?

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j-o-h-n in reply toBrad70

On Special this week and by the case: Multiple Hopgasms...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Friday 10/06/2023 11:39 PM DST

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SouthFrance

Resveratrol is rumoured to work well with Turmeric and ursolic acid, however my oncology pharmacist says the tumeric and resveratrol have a negative effect on aberaterone. Who knows, it's a minefield.

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maley2711 in reply toSouthFrance

Personally, advise against deciding on "treatments" based on rumors????

anony2020 profile image
anony2020

ENSURE?

Dont mind me. I am a layman trying to make some sense of the whole thing.

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j-o-h-n in reply toanony2020

You know what? I'm getting to mind you!!! Making sense of the whole thing? YGBFC (You Gotta Be Fucking Crazy).....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 10/07/2023 1:39 PM DST

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anony2020 in reply toj-o-h-n

Guess we are all a bit crazy. That's what makes the world go round. All the best. LOL

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j-o-h-n in reply toanony2020

DITTO,,,,,, (to a guy wo can take a punch)....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 10/07/2023 9:50 PM DST

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anony2020 in reply toj-o-h-n

^5

London441 profile image
London441

Taking food supplements may benefit you, depending on what and how much you take. Some can also be toxic at higher dosages. It’s often a guessing game .

Exercise for side effects is far more effective.

V10fanatic profile image
V10fanatic

Turkeytail and other mushrooms are purported to be helpful. I've started drinking Ryze coffee ryzesuperfoods.com/ in the morning. Mud/wtr coffee also contains these healthy mushrooms. mudwtr.com/

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VLBIV

Rather than just throwing "Supplement" darts at the wall, I would talk to a good naturopath about your specific situation and let them make some recommendations just for you. I wish you the best.

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swwags in reply toVLBIV

yes because their medical training is so very very extensive. Why trust a bottle label when someone can tell you in person what to take?

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Professorgary

yes and a good one will send out stool and hair samples for analysis. Pretty sure most naturopaths will give magnesium and curcumin a thumbs up.

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Brad70

I'm apathetic to being naturopathic.

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lcfcpolo

Prostaphane. A food supplement with broccoli seeds extract titrated in free and stabilized sulforaphane has had successful results.

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j-o-h-n in reply tolcfcpolo

Prostaphane? Isn't that the clear plastic wrap used for wrapping your left over food in the frig?

Good Luck, Good health and Good Humor.

J-o-h-n Saturday 10/07/2023 7:01 PM DST

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Brad70 in reply toj-o-h-n

Plastic food wrap is commonly made from polyvinyl chloride. Cellophane is commonly used as a packaging material. Sorry, no humor in that.

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j-o-h-n in reply toBrad70

Thanks,

I remember Cellophane............ It goes like this, Betty Davis speaking: "Peter, Peter why are you wearing those Cellophane shorts? I always knew you were crazing but now I can see your nuts".

(you guys must hate me..... but I just gotta or I won't be able to sleep tonight)

Good Luck, Good health and Good Humor.

J-o-h-n Saturday 10/07/2023 7:34 PM DST

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BeTheSmile in reply toj-o-h-n

🙂

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Mascouche

Hi Brad70,

I know your post is a year old but I first heard about IP6 + Inositol Hexaphosphate today and when I did a search in the advance prostate cancer forum, your post was the only one mentioning this.

Since you are still active here, I guess I can safely assume that it did not cure you but I was wondering what was your experience with it. Have you found it to help you in any way?

***

I did ask Perplexity AI this question: What is the impact of ip6 inositol hexaphosphate on prostate cancer?

Here is its answer:

Based on the search results, inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) shows promising anti-cancer effects against prostate cancer in preclinical studies. Here are the key findings on the impact of IP6 on prostate cancer:

Inhibition of tumor growth and progression:

* IP6 inhibits growth of prostate cancer xenografts in animal models.

* It suppresses tumor growth and progression in the TRAMP (transgenic adenocarcinoma of mouse prostate) model.

*IP6 feeding reduces prostate tumor size and vascularity in mice.

Anti-angiogenic effects:

* IP6 treatment decreases tumor vascularity and angiogenesis.

Metabolic effects:

* IP6 interferes with glucose metabolism and membrane phospholipid synthesis in prostate tumors.

* It decreases expression of glucose transporter GLUT-4 and increases phospho-AMP-activated kinase levels.

Cell cycle and apoptotic effects:

* IP6 causes G1 cell cycle arrest and induces apoptosis in prostate cancer cells.

* It increases levels of pro-apoptotic proteins like PUMA, BIK/NBK, and NOXA.

* IP6 decreases levels of anti-apoptotic proteins MCL-1 and BCL-2.

Signaling pathway modulation:

* IP6 targets mitogenic and survival signaling pathways.

* It reduces phosphorylation of PI3K, PDK1, AKT, and GSK3α/β.

* IP6 decreases levels of ILK1 and cyclin D1.

Effects on cancer stem cells:

* IP6 shows potential to eradicate prostate cancer stem cell populations.

* It inhibits the formation of prostatospheres, indicating effects on cancer stem cell self-renewal.

Synergistic effects:

* IP6 enhances the killing of androgen-independent prostate cancer cells when combined with proteasome inhibitors.

Safety profile:

* IP6 is considered non-toxic when taken orally as a dietary supplement.

* Animal studies showed no adverse effects on body weight or food/water consumption.

These findings suggest that IP6 has multiple anti-cancer mechanisms and could be a promising candidate for prostate cancer prevention and treatment. However, it's important to note that most of these results come from preclinical studies, and further clinical research is needed to confirm its efficacy in humans.

*** End of AI answer

There are some articles about it but most of them are quite old:

aacrjournals.org/cancerres/...

ar.iiarjournals.org/content...

nature.com/articles/6604730

This one was the most recent I think. It is from 2022: mdpi.com/2072-6694/14/17/4204

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Brad70 in reply toMascouche

Within a month of my last IMRT radiation treatment in Aug 2023, my PSA dropped to undetectable (from 26) and has remained there. In addition to dietary supplements, I get an Eligard injection every 90 days and daily Nubeqa.

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