For anyone curious about which form of Curcumin to take, this is an excellent guide.
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Due to who put this out, it may have bias towards CGM but as far as I can tell the science is sound. This Pubmed article seems to back up the science.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/270...
Prior to CGM, my belief was that Theracumin was most superior based on things I read here:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...
Addendum: I'm not posting this advocating PCa patients should take Curcumin. The evidence as to its potential benefit is controversial including possibly masking PSA. You need to weigh all the information and make your own personal decision. This is just additional info for those that have personally decided to take it.
I think that I should fast for at least a month before every PSA test. Air only. Hmmm, air quality isn't great here so maybe I should stop breathing too?
Looks Like Metformin - Resveratrol - Ursolic Acid - Curcumin Is The Best Combo to take With Xtandi or Zytiga
Wait for a PSA rise or Radiate Now- how did you choose?
Anyone taking Avodart (Dutasteride) as your only form of ADT?
If you are using PSA to monitor your cancer, you may want to avoid curcumin (and some other supplements)
The science is very unsound:
prostatecancer.news/2019/04...
Your misunderstanding of science (what I call pseudoscience) is very common in our "post-fact" age. I hope you will continue to research on what constitutes medical science.
Thanks for pointing that out. I was aware there's evidence out there Curcumin may have the potential to mask PSA levels. I personally consider Curcumin's to be a controversial subject regarding PCa. But it's good you pointed it out (so many things to remember.) I've not taken it myself for PCa but have taken it on occasion as an anti-inflammatory as needed instead of NSAIDs. I see your article also mentions statins can mask PSA. I think with a lot of supplements it's very hard to determine conclusively if something is simply "masking" PSA versus having anti-proliferative effects on PCa. It's a fascinating substance to say the least. Many aren't even aware of PSA-negative cancer potential even in the absence of a substance that is masking it.
Maybe the potential PSA masking could be avoided employing a "washout" period prior to blood tests (I've seen 2 weeks mentioned for supplements in many cases.)
For people looking for information on Curcumin, I'll add these couple of links, but again, purpose of this thread isn't to discuss effectiveness. Those who followed or were a patient of Dr. Snuffy Myers I believe were encouraged to take Curcumin. youtube.com/watch?v=EwuoPDa... Whether he changed his opinion since I have no idea. (I am not one that took everything he said as gospel.) I personally have no strong opinion on Curcumin one way or another.
Postive: scielo.br/j/bjps/a/cRhzQCnF...
Negative: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/306...
People can make up their own minds based on a combination of information, including that which you have provided. If anyone wants to add to the discussion focused around forms to take for those who choose to take it, feel free to chime in.
I don't think "people can make their own minds up" on the evidence, because you and most patients lack the knowledge on how to evaluate evidence. Levels of evidence and the need to have clinical trials requires dedicated understanding. There are specialists in these fields, just as there are specialists in medical oncology, radiology, etc. It can be learned by patients, but humility is the starting point for all knowledge acquisition.
Youtube videos, like this one, are not evidence:
youtube.com/watch?v=a6r2BsY...
Everone has to make up their minds (aka make a decison) - I didn't say they could make the right one without consulting an experienced Oncologist.
I've often thought, why isn't the initial reply in 90% of these threads:
"Why are you asking about this here? Don't you have a competent Oncologist you trust? If not, go get one, or two."
Some people are going to feel that we are incapable of doing anything ourselves.
My MO listens to me and his other patients. He won't tell you to take curcumin or sulforaphane or EGCG or Metformin or whatever but will discuss the possible efficacy of each one. Refreshing to say the least. Many doctors and wannabees will not even discuss things.
AGREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wash out curcumin, EGCG, statins, and finasteride for a week prior to a PSA test. That's on the off-chance that they mask PSA to a large extent. It would seem like it would be rather simple to test that theory but I haven't seen any good RCTs that have done that. So I view the evidence that I have seen as very sketchy.
All that I can say is that my PSA is 0.10-0.15 and was 0.17 last July. At that time I wasn't doing washouts. Now I do and my PSA is lower. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Personally, I think that my BAT program is working for me. And maybe if I didn't do any washouts I would be looking at an even lower PSA (if that is true the BAT program is working even better than I think!).
Until there is real proof, I will go off of anything that "might" mask PSA. The elimination half-lives of active metabolites of each substance tell me that a week should be sufficient.
Curcumin has a fairly large body of evidence for use as an anti-inflammatory. Neither here nor there but it's 15th on my supplement/diet/exercise rankings.
Poor Dr Fauci….. Covid twice in two weeks! 🤔
He’s a lying moron. He’s been wrong any everything. Just like most MOs, fauci never told anyone what to do during the viral phase of covid. This is part of why since many people died. The main cause of death from covid was obesity and weak immune systems due to eating junk food all day long for decades. That’s why many countries had much lower death rates where the obesity rates are low, and people are active and outdoors more. It also explains why states with lockdowns had more cases than those without.
This is off topic of this thread but this is an area that I have strong feelings about so I can't resist commenting...
If you are going to make a bold statement that states that had more days of lockdowns had a higher percentage of cases (obviously a state like California which has 10 million more people than Texas is prone to having more TOTAL cases), you better provide some links to some RELIABLE data backing that up - not something off some conservative cult conspiracy theory blog. Even if there is good data from a reliable source, by the time it goes through a few cycles of being passed from outlet to outlet it has been dumbed down and twisted so much it no longer resembles the complete picture of the original data.
For example, for all I know, there could be a credible study backing up there was a higher percentage of cases in states that did more lockdowns but the report might also say this was attributed to states with a lot more population density (large cities) had more cases due to the closer proximity of more people and thereby were forced to implement lockdowns to control the spread. Where states like Montana where everyone is much more spread out have much less dense population centers and therefore naturally had less cases and less need to implement lockdowns to control the spread. But the blog reports might twist things to only include the first part and leave out the last part and then you have what we call misinformation insinuating lockdowns have no beneficial effect on controlling disease spread. (Better tell that to China.)
I have a friend that actually thinks more people world wide died from the vaccine than from COVID. You can show him the statistics from any large hospital showing 90% of the people that died were not vaccinated and 10% were, for example, and he essentially believes these hospitals are lying as they are in cahoots with big pharma. Seriously? It's funny, when you think about it, many of these conpiratorial thinking based beliefs essentially boil down to anyone can claim anything is true and then put the burden on everyone else to prove it's false. Essentially "guilty until proven innocent" instead of "innocent until proven guilty". I could say there's an explorer from another world that is watching us but we can't see them. So lets just assume it's true as no one can prove it not to be true! I can say someone's son raped and killed women. Well it must be true because you can't prove there's not a dead body buried somewhere! This type of stuff in today's world drives me NUTS.
Yes, it is much better to quote the Liberal cult conspiracy theorists also known as the main stream media, for the "real" data. What a joke. As the real data is not coming out, we know the truth was suppressed.
Exactly, it never ceases to amaze me when people believe China supporting outlets like cnn and other far left mainstream outlets who support unabashed communist supporters like Bernie sanders and AOC, who are the primary cabinet advisors to the current idiot in chief. They get upset when they hear the truth, because they can’t handle the truth.
That days is readily available. Is not a bold statement. It’s well known by those who were reading sources on both sides of the aisle. Do some searching and you’ll find it. It’s clear by this moment in time that almost every edit/mandate or whatever unconstitutional state demands made by the cdc, that were made against American citizens, turned out to be wrong. The save can be said for the WHO. I could give you the evidence if you are not familiar or aware of that evidence but i don’t have the time to do that today. Do some searching and you’ll find it. Just don’t go to cnn, msnbc, npr, abc or other left wing corporate mules to find the truth. I’l you’ll never get the truth from those outlets.