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Analysis of blood results..any advice appreciated!

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Hi folks,

I am after some advise regarding my symptoms and my private blood test results. My symptoms over the last almost 10-20 years include: excessive hair loss - it does grow fast, but snaps easily; voice has become a little hoarse; constant tinnitus; fatigue, constipation , brain fog, (pains down my right wrist although this has stopped); weight gain, puffy eyes which appeared over night when I was 42 (not sure if significant and sometimes will leak for up to 3 weeks then stop). , an anxiousness in my chest which almost feels as though my breathing and heart rate aren't in sink; I also went through patch of heart palpitations and times when my heart felt as though it was missing a beat.

Approx 5 years ago I had a lump which turned out to be a thyroid nodule, of which I have a number of small ones, but apparently this one had had a bleed into it which was discovered during an ultrasound. I've had 2 yearly checks, then because the large one had reduced in size, Dr said I didn't need to go back. I went to DRs about 3 years ago to further query my symptoms, blood was taken to rule out thyroid, but they said TSH was within range (in 2023 results ranged from 1.12 mu/l to 1.58) ; subsequently I moved onto HRT, but there has been no improvements in my symptoms. I have been so convinced that I have a thyroid issue I have had a blood test with the following results, which I did on Monday morning at 6.10 in the morning and only drinking water when I got up. Results are as follows (I think I have done the range correctly):

1. CRP - 1.04 mg/L (in range)

2. Ferritin 62 mg/L (in range 30-264)

3. Vitamins - serum folate 16.2 nmol/L (in range 7 - 35)

- vit B12 45.8 pmol/L (in range 37.5 to 187.5)

- vit D 36 nmol/L (out of range of 50-200)

4. Thyroid hormones - TSH 3.27mu/L (in range 0.27 - 4.2)

- Free T3 pmol/L 3.8 (in range 3.1 to 6.8)

- Free thyroxine 12.1 pmol/L (in range 12 to 22)

5. Thyroglobulin antibodies - 13.8 kiu/L (in range 0 - 115)

6. Thyroid peroxidase antibodies - <9 kiU/L (in range 0 -34)

I understand that my vit B12 and vit D are very low, but not sure if there is any significance of my free thyroxine as that is only 0.1 in range?

Any help would be massively appreciated! Thank you :)

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welcome to the forum

Yes your B12 is very low

Any obvious reason

Are you vegetarian or vegan

Ask GP for testing for pernicious anaemia

Don’t start any B vitamins until after GP tests

Meanwhile you can work on improving low vitamin D

Retest thyroid and vitamin levels in 3-4 months time

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Tunderthyroid in reply toSlowDragon

Great thank you. No, I'm not vegan or vegetarian and would say generally I eat a balanced diet. Thank you forctaking the time to read and reply :)

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It’s quite likely low vitamin levels are CAUSED by low thyroid levels

As TSH is below 5 your GP won’t consider thyroid is an issue

But first step is to improve vitamin levels

Retest thyroid and vitamin levels in 3-4 months Alternatively you

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Tunderthyroid in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you. I will do!

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GP should prescribe 1600iu vitamin D daily for 6 months

Alternatively you could self supplement at say 2000iu daily and retest in 2-3 months

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

panmerseyapc.nhs.uk/media/2...

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly when supplementing

Can test via NHS private testing service

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7.

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Recipe ideas

bbc.co.uk/food/articles/mag...

Interesting article by Dr Malcolm Kendrick on magnesium

drmalcolmkendrick.org/categ...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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Low B12 symptoms

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

methyl-life.com/blogs/defic...

NICE guidelines on B12 and testing

healthunlocked.com/redirect...

if after testing for Pernicious Anaemia, if result is negative and GP doesn’t prescribe B12 injections or daily B12 supplements, then you will need to start self supplementing

With serum B12 result below 500, (Or active B12 below 70) recommended to be taking a separate B12 supplement

A week later add a separate vitamin B Complex 

Then once your serum B12 is over 500 (or Active B12 level has reached 70), you may be able to reduce then stop the B12 and just carry on with the B Complex.

If Vegetarian or vegan likely to need ongoing separate B12 few times a week

Highly effective B12 drops

natureprovides.com/products...

Or

B12 sublingual lozenges

uk.iherb.com/pr/jarrow-form...

cytoplan.co.uk/shop-by-prod...

In-depth article on different forms of B12

perniciousanemia.org/b12/fo...

B12 range in U.K. is too wide

Interesting that in this research B12 below 400 is considered inadequate

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

perniciousanemia.org/b12/le...

And why aiming to keep B12 over 500 recommended

perniciousanemia.org/b12/le...

Great reply by @humanbean on B12 here

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Low folate

supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid)

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid

healthline.com/nutrition/fo...

Many Hashimoto’s patients have MTHFR gene variation and can have trouble processing folic acid supplements

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Igennus B complex popular option. Nice small tablets. Most people only find they need one per day. But a few people find it’s not high enough dose and may need 2 per day and/or may need separate methyl folate couple times a week

Post discussing different B complex

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 5-7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg) and continue separate B12 if last test result serum B12 was below 500 or active B12 (private test) under 70

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When they found the nodules did you have a needle biopsy on any of them? Do you have the report on all their sizes and/or composition?

I had a thyroidectomy due to size of two of the five of my modules & their position. I was having breathing and choking issues due to two of them being up against my trachea and esophagus.

But here is the thing, my thyroid numbers wee always 'normal'.

So you would think a relatively healthy thyroid would come out, besides the nodules.

Nope. It was twice the normal size, a different colour than it should be and 'completely diseased' according to the surgeon. And the pathology listed lymphocytic thyroiditis. Chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis is another name for Hashimoto's, as far as I can see in research.

Also, when I first got the thyroid hormones needed after a thyroidectomy I felt like WHAT IS THIS? like it was Christmas morning. Making me think I was lacking something.

So unfortunately they do not know everything.

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Tunderthyroid in reply toLitatamon

Thank you for your reply. When I went for the 1st ultrasound they were going to do a biopsy but the Dr said even though it was large, because he could "see" there had been a bleed into it, he didn't. The following year, it had shrunk, so they didn't. After that I was then discharged, but I do know that I have a number of small nodules.

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Tunderthyroid in reply toLitatamon

Ps...I will bare that in mind and do some further AI research :)

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