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Advice for private blood test following total thyroidectomy please

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Hsaw
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Hello everyone.

I had a total thyroidectomy last year due to thyroid cancer. I am currently on 200mg Levothyroxine per day, having increased from 175mg approx 5-6 weeks ago.

Since having my thyroid fully out I have had various weird symptoms that I have never had before and just want to be sure that I am keeping within the correct ranges for my T3/T4, TSH etc and also that I am getting all the vitamins I need. The NHS are testing my T3/T4 and TSH every 3-4 months but I would like to supplement this with some private tests (particularly regards vitamins) to make sure I am not suffering needlessly.

Could anyone recommend a specific company or set of tests that would be appropriate for someone in my position please? I have had a look at the 10 companies on this website but got quite confused by what each of the services actually test for. For example, do I need to test for things like Thyroid peroxidase and antibodies to thyroglobulin seeing as I do not even have a thyroid?! I want the most comprehensive test possible but equally do not want to pay for things that are completely irrelevant given my lack of thyroid!

Thanks in advance!!

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you need TSH, Ft4 and Ft3 plus vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 tested

Test early morning and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

Do you always get same brand levothyroxine at each prescription

Do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning (not Bank Holiday Monday)

List of private testing options and money off codes

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Monitor My Health (NHS private test service) now offer thyroid and vitamin testing, plus cholesterol and HBA1C for £65 

(Doesn’t include thyroid antibodies) 

monitormyhealth.org.uk/full...

Why not get GP to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 …..or at least ask them

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Hsaw in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you Slowdragon. I will ask GP, no harm trying I guess!!

Someone mentioned that it may be worth checking cholesterol and diabetes, as apparently I may be more suseptable to these given my condition?

Also, I have (literally!) just found out that my B12 level is 181, apparently the baseline is 180, this seems low, especially as us Levo people need optimum vitamin levels!!

I have just started taking multivitamins (3 days ago) but the blood test I refer to above was done before I started....

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Hsaw in reply toHsaw

Forgot to say that my Folate was 7.8, which apparently is OK?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toHsaw

What’s range on Folate…..usually 3-20 or 8-60

Anyway…..adding daily vitamin B complex…..two weeks after starting B12 will improve folate anyway

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Hsaw in reply toSlowDragon

No idea on Folate range, sorry.

Thank you for your help. Its a bit alarming that you say my B12 is 'extremely low' as the nurse who just called said that as the level is above the 'baseline' that it is nothing to be concerned about! However, she was a Lymphoma nurse, rather than a thyroid nurse (I have lymphoma too!!). thanks again!

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toHsaw

NHS only wants to test and treats deficiencies

Utterly ridiculous not to consider 181 is low

Underlines why it’s so essential to test vitamin levels yourself at least annually

For good conversion of Ft4 to Ft3 we need good vitamin levels

Poor conversion results in high Ft4, low Ft3 and low TSH

So low vitamin levels tend to lower TSH (all most Medics look at)

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Hsaw in reply toSlowDragon

Hi @SlowDragon, apologies for resurrecting this old thread, but I have just had my bloods done again (I will post full results on a new thread once results are all received via email), but in the meantime I have been told that my B12 was still at 181, so I have been prescribed Cyanocobalamin 100 microgram tablets by my GP as I was having tingling hands and feet.

Do you think that this will be sufficient to treat this deficiency in the short term? (I note your previous comments regarding starting a vitamin B complex 2 weeks after starting this one, and I will source this myself as the GP was not willing to do a prescription for this).

Many thanks.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toHsaw

Multivitamins never recommended on here

They don’t contain high enough levels to correct deficiencies .

Usually cheap poorly absorbed ingredients and most contain iodine not recommended for anyone on levothyroxine

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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B12 is extremely low, GP should test for Pernicious Anaemia before starting any supplements

Stop multivitamins and don’t take any B vitamins until GP run more tests

Once you have had more tests you may need B12 injections or if no injections you will definitely need daily B12 supplement

Two weeks after starting B12 add a daily vitamin B complex

You probably have Low B12 symptoms 

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

methyl-life.com/blogs/defic...

With serum B12 result below 500, (Or active B12 below 70) recommended to be taking a separate B12 supplement and add a separate vitamin B Complex after a week 

Then once your serum B12 is over 500 (or Active B12 level has reached 70), you may be able to reduce then stop the B12 and just carry on with the B Complex.

If Vegetarian or vegan likely to need ongoing separate B12 few times a week 

B12 drops 

natureprovides.com/products...

Or

B12 sublingual lozenges 

uk.iherb.com/pr/jarrow-form...

cytoplan.co.uk/shop-by-prod...

B12 range in U.K. is too wide

Interesting that in this research B12 below 400 is considered inadequate 

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid) 

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid 

healthline.com/nutrition/fo...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Thorne Basic B recommended vitamin B complex that contains folate, but they are large capsules. (You can tip powder out if can’t swallow capsule) 

Thorne currently difficult to find at reasonable price, should be around £20-£25. iherb.com often have in stock. Or try ebay 

Other options 

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate methyl folate supplement and continue separate B12

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Being under medicated for thyroid and/or low Ft3 frequently results in higher cholesterol

Once Ft3 levels are optimal cholesterol levels should be good

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pennyannie

Hey there again :

Did you manage to register for online access to your medical records held at your primary care surgery.

It does make life easier as you bypass keep asking permission every time blood test are back and you can read your file at your leisure.

I can't really add more to what I've already written -

To find all you have every written on this forum and all your previous replies - just go back to

Your Profile -

either by pressing the icon top right on this screen saying More and choose Your Profile - or press the icon alongside any reply alongside your name on this post.

if you want to read about any other persons thyroid journey just press their icon which sits alongside anything they have written.

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Batty1

“Do I need to test for things like Thyroid peroxidase and antibodies to thyroglobulin”

Absolutely YES you had thyroid cancer and you should be testing for T3, FT4, FT3 and TSH and taking the test the way it’s recommended here by so many.

What issues are you experiencing?

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toBatty1

But we need to be clear here.

A test for thyroglobulin itself (rather than antibodies to it) is usual post-treatment for thyroid cancer. Presence of thyroglobulin suggests that there is some remaining or re-grown thyroid tissue.

(That doesn't mean that Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin antibodies shouldn't also be done.)

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Batty1 in reply tohelvella

Im not sure what your saying I did tell him to test because he had thyroid cancer and I test often for THYROGLOBULIN + THYROGLOBULIN AB and THYROGLOBULIN IMA because of Thyroid Cancer .

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toBatty1

But every other mention on this thread is "antibodies to thyroglobulin". Not thyroglobulin itself.

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Batty1 in reply tohelvella

If you have thyroid cancer in the US both THYROGLOBULIN + THYROGLOBULIN AB get tested together automatically I was assuming the same was for UK and the poster was just unsure.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toBatty1

The original poster, Hsaw, has not mentioned the NHS doing them. So we simply do not know.

And the question is about private blood tests - they wouldn't know the background so would simply do what Hsaw pays them to do.

I just felt someone needed to highlight the distinction between "antibodies to thyroglobulin" and thyroglobulin itself.

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Batty1 in reply tohelvella

I understand NHS isn’t doing the Thyroglobulin he asked and I said yes as far as thyroglobulin AB Vs Thyroglobulin Im guessing Thyroglobulin is standard and AB is for someone like me who has autoimmune issues but honestly not sure why I get both always have since thyroidectomy and I will ask next Endo appointment.

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tattybogle

3 practical uses for testing TPOab (thyroid peroxidase antibodies) and TGab (thyroglobulin antibodies) are:

a) to find out if you have autoimmune thyroid disease gradually destroying your thyroid ~ obviously no longer relevant to you , it's gone already.

b) to provide evidence that allows GP to prescribe thyroid hormone replacement in the earlier stages of hypothyroidism. ~ not relevant, you are already prescribed it.

c) to confirm the likely need for levo in disputed cases ~ also not relevant ~ 'total thyroidectomy' absolutely proves the need for lifelong thyroid hormone replacement .

....... finding out that you have high TPOab / or TGab won't change any aspect of the thyroid treatment you receive , so as money is tight i wouldn't bother getting either of them ~ if they come as a package with the TSH / fT4 /fT3/Vitamin results then fine , but don't pay extra to get them.

(As helvella said. 'Thyroglobulin' test is different , that is used as a potential cancer marker, but Doc's should have been keeping an eye on that one for you).

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