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I suffered from subacute thyroditis in September 2022 which was also the beginning of my pregnancy. I was initially very hyper (treated by endo) but then became hypo and in the third trimester I was put on levo, first 25 mcg then 50 mcg by the consultant obstetrician. I gave birth 4 months ago and my gp has kept me on 50 mcg of levo, checking my tsh twice and my t4 once. I am not sure I am at the right dose and no one has told me if I should expect to be hypo for life now. I have decided to test all values via medicheck and my gp has agreed to speak with me tomorrow. My key symptom is extreme tiredness but of course this could just be due to having a baby. Test was done at 8:30 in the morning and I hadn’t taken levo for 24h. Please could someone help interpret my results and suggest what I should ask the gp ?

TSH 0.941 (0.27-4.2)

Free T3 4.5 (3.1 -6.8)

Free T4 14.7 (12-22)

CRP 4.56 (<3)

Ferritin 22.3 (30-150)

folate serum 7.8 (8.83-60.8)

b12 active 72.9 (37.5 -188)

vit D 56.4

thyroglobulin anitibodies 13.6 (0-115)

thyroide peroxidise antibodies <9 (0-34)

I am not vegetarian and I haven’t taken any vitamins/supplements since giving birth 4 months ago!

thanks in advance for any help

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Ferritin is deficient as below 30

Request GP do full iron panel test for anaemia

Being anaemic will make you feel exhausted

Folate is deficient so GP should prescribe folic acid supplements

Once you finish this prescription suggest you look at taking daily vitamin B complex. This would help improve B12 too

Vitamin D is too low

But GP unlikely to prescribe

FT4: 14.7 pmol/l (Range 12 - 22)

Ft4 only 27.00% through range

FT3: 4.5 pmol/l (Range 3.1 - 6.8)

Ft3 only 37.84% through range

Thyroid levels show you need 25mcg dose increase in levothyroxine

Retest in 6-8 weeks

most people when adequately treated will have Ft4 at least 60-70% through range and Ft3 at least 50-60% through range

vitamin levels likely low because you’re not on high enough dose levothyroxine

20% of Hashimoto's patients never have raised antibodies

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Paul Robson on atrophied thyroid - especially if no TPO antibodies

paulrobinsonthyroid.com/cou...

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Habibi87 in reply to SlowDragon

Thank you so much SlowaDragon, I hope my call with the gp tomorrow will go well with all these additional infos.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Habibi87

vitamin D

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly via NHS private testing service when supplementing

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7.

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D and thyroid disease

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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Ferritin

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/anae...

Serum ferritin level is the biochemical test, which most reliably correlates with relative total body iron stores. In all people, a serum ferritin level of less than 30 micrograms/L confirms the diagnosis of iron deficiency.

Never supplement iron without doing full iron panel test for anaemia first and retest 3-4 times a year if self supplementing. It’s possible to have low ferritin but high iron

Medichecks iron panel test

medichecks.com/products/iro...

Look at increasing iron rich foods in diet

Eating iron rich foods like liver or liver pate once a week plus other red meat, pumpkin seeds and dark chocolate, plus daily orange juice or other vitamin C rich drink can help improve iron absorption

List of iron rich foods

dailyiron.net

Links about iron and ferritin

An article that explains why Low ferritin and low thyroid levels are often linked to increased risk of miscarriage

preventmiscarriage.com/iron...

irondisorders.org/too-littl...

davidg170.sg-host.com/wp-co...

Great in-depth article on low ferritin

oatext.com/iron-deficiency-...

drhedberg.com/ferritin-hypo...

This is interesting because I have noticed that many patients with Hashimoto’s disease and hypothyroidism, start to feel worse when their ferritin drops below 80 and usually there is hair loss when it drops below 50.

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Posts discussing Three Arrows as very effective supplement

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Iron patches

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thyroid disease is as much about optimising vitamins as thyroid hormones

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

restartmed.com/hypothyroidi...

Post discussing just how long it can take to raise low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Iron and thyroid link

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Excellent article on iron and thyroid

cambridge.org/core/journals...

Posts discussing why important to do full iron panel test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Good iron but low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Chicken livers if iron is good, but ferritin low

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Shellfish and Mussels are excellent source of iron

healthline.com/nutrition/he...

Ferritin over 100 to alleviate symptoms

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Great research article discussing similar…..ferritin over 100 often necessary

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Low Iron implicated in hypothyroidism

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Ferritin range on Medichecks

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Inflammation affecting ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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We have received further information the lab about ferritin reference ranges. They confirm that they are sex dependent up to the age of 60, then beyond the age of 60 the reference range is the same for both sexes: 

Males 16-60: 30-400 ug/L

Female's: 16-60: 30-150

Both >60: 30-650 

The lower limit of 30 ug/L is in accordance with the updated NICE guidance and the upper limits are in accordance with guidance from the Association of Clinical Biochemists. ‘

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Habibi87 in reply to SlowDragon

Ok so I spoke with my gp today. He didn’t seem concerned about my thyroid (not a surprise), but wants to run a full iron panel, plus check again folate and vitamin D. He said that the range for ferritin and folate from medichecks were totally different from the ones they use and that my values for both ferritin and folate would be fine under the ranges of their lab. He agreed vitamin D was too low. I suggested a referral to an endo but he said we should wait for the new lab results first. I supposed it’s somr progress as he is at least running all the blood tests…

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Habibi87

Did you get 25mcg increase in levothyroxine?

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Habibi87 in reply to SlowDragon

He won’t increase it until he runs the tests again with his lab…

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Habibi87

Make sure to book early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

Meanwhile working on improving low vitamin D and increasing iron rich foods in your diet

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Habibi87 in reply to SlowDragon

Hi SlowDragon, so these are the tests the gp has ordered: FBC & Diff, ESR, Thyroid Profile, Renal profile (Ns, K, Cr, GFR), CRP, Iron & Transferrin Saturation Levels, Ferritin, Serum Folate, Vitamin B13, 25 Hydroxy Vitamin D level. Do they make sense ?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Habibi87

Looks good

Hopefully Thyroid panel will include TSH, Ft4 and Ft3

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Habibi87 in reply to SlowDragon

Hi SlowDragon, I’m making no progress, the gp hasn’t even called me as all is in range…

For my thyroid they’ve only tested my tsh which came at 1.33 (0.35-4.94). I don’t know what use this is given that I have had below range ft4 with in range tsh. All I can see is that my tsh (with same nhs lab) has got higher higher since April.

serum iron 13.4 (9-30.4)

transferrin 2.6 (1.8-3.2)

transferrin saturation 19%

serum ferritin 24 (22-275)

serum total 25 OH vit D 73

serum folate 3.3 (3.1 - 20.5)

Serum vitamin b12 605 (187-883)

erythrocytes sedimentation rate 10 (0-12)

total white cell 7(4-11)

RBC 4.17 (3.95-5.15)

haemoglobin 126 (120-150)

Haematocrit 0.375 (0.360-0.47)

MCV 90 (80-100)

MCH 30.2 (27-32)

red blood cell distribution 13.2 (11-16)

platelet 194 (150-400)

Are these values actually Ok? I don’t really know what to do with the gp who hasn’t even written a referral for my work insurance to see an endocrinologist. My period has also returned post pregnancy 4 days ago and it’s never been so so heavy ( having to use post partum pads ). Feeling a bit helpless

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Habibi87

serum ferritin 24 (22-275)

As detailed in earlier reply Ferritin is deficient

Work on improving

Similarly folate far too low .

You will need to self supplement to improve

Are you currently taking B12 or getting B12 injections

supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid)

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid

healthline.com/nutrition/fo...

Many Hashimoto’s patients have MTHFR gene variation and can have trouble processing folic acid.

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Thorne Basic B recommended vitamin B complex that contains folate, but they are large capsules. (You can tip powder out if can’t swallow capsule)

Thorne currently difficult to find at reasonable price, should be around £20-£25. iherb.com often have in stock. Or try ebay

Other options

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

Igennus B complex popular option too. Nice small tablets. Most people only find they need one per day. But a few people find it’s not high enough dose

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg) and continue separate B12

Post discussing how biotin can affect test results

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Habibi87 in reply to SlowDragon

Thank you, I will self supplement, no point in battling this with gp. I am not on B12 so will take that too. Yes, I do have the MTHFR mutation on both genes ( found out during IVF)

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Habibi87

Make another appointment with GP

Insist that they test TSH, Ft4 and Ft3 this time

Your private test shows you are not on high enough dose levothyroxine

FT4: 14.7 pmol/l (Range 12 - 22)

Ft4 only 27.00% through range

FT3: 4.5 pmol/l (Range 3.1 - 6.8)

Ft3 only 37.84% through range

Graph showing median TSH in healthy population is 1-1.5

web.archive.org/web/2004060...

Comprehensive list of references for needing LOW TSH on levothyroxine

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

If symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite normalisation of TSH, the dose of levothyroxine can be titrated further to place the TSH in the lower part of the reference range or even slightly below (i.e., TSH: 0.1–2.0 mU/L), but avoiding TSH < 0.1 mU/L. Use of alternate day dosing of different levothyroxine strengths may be needed to achieve this (e.g., 100 mcg for 4 days; 125 mcg for 3 days weekly).

guidelines on dose levothyroxine by weight

Even if we frequently start on only 50mcg, most people need to increase levothyroxine dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until eventually on, or near full replacement dose

NICE guidelines on full replacement dose

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng145/...

1.3.6

Consider starting levothyroxine at a dosage of 1.6 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day (rounded to the nearest 25 micrograms) for adults under 65 with primary hypothyroidism and no history of cardiovascular disease.

Also here

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

pathlabs.rlbuht.nhs.uk/tft_...

Guiding Treatment with Thyroxine:

In the majority of patients 50-100 μg thyroxine can be used as the starting dose. Alterations in dose are achieved by using 25-50 μg increments and adequacy of the new dose can be confirmed by repeat measurement of TSH after 2-3 months.

The majority of patients will be clinically euthyroid with a ‘normal’ TSH and having thyroxine replacement in the range 75-150 μg/day (1.6ug/Kg on average).

The recommended approach is to titrate thyroxine therapy against the TSH concentration whilst assessing clinical well-being. The target is a serum TSH within the reference range.

……The primary target of thyroxine replacement therapy is to make the patient feel well and to achieve a serum TSH that is within the reference range. The corresponding FT4 will be within or slightly above its reference range.

The minimum period to achieve stable concentrations after a change in dose of thyroxine is two months and thyroid function tests should not normally be requested before this period has elapsed.

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Habibi87 in reply to Gingernut44

Had signed already, but will circulate and also post on the IVF forum as many are impacted by thyroid issues

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