What makes someone "Too far gone" when it comes to mental illnesses.

[MiamiJacket84]

What is the line here, if there is any? There has to be some sort of threshold or breaking point right? Or else why would people actively being "treated" plan their end for months or even years and eventually execute their plans? They're definitely what people would call "Too far gone". What would the plan be then? If someone reached that point, is there really any coming back? Again if there was, then I doubt what mentioned earlier would happen. Is it just inevitable at that point?

[Sunrisetabby]

I don't believe that anyone can be too far gone, although I don't even really understand what the phrase means. Consider the difference between men and women. Men, for example, due by suicide approximately 3x as often as women. Women, however, actually attempt suicide more often than men. (This is for the United States with easy access to firearms; I'm not sure the situation in other countries.)

I don't see a conflict between active treatment - no need to make a parenthetical - and still planning suicide for months or years. The person is getting help but part of the darkness still remains.

[Hidden in reply to Sunrisetabby]

Statistics say women attempt suicide via pills to overdose. Women are less prone to violent self harm with guns , hanging and wrist cuts are usually done wrong.

I cannot imagine doing a violent end of life. I fall under the statistics of women not choosing a violent end of life.

[Starrlight]

i think we can always all make progress/heal no matter what and i think we are all different in our treatment needs and it will vary for individuals at any given time according to what they are experiencing

[Hidden in reply to Starrlight]

This is where I have come with when is too far gone too far. It is not acceptable. We just have to remember emotions are fickle. Get out in nature look up at the sky.

I look at ending one’s life is the same as committing murder. Yes murder. And that is not ok to me. I cannot murder another person so… I cannot murder myself. Just a heavy burden to take me out of a mind spiraling down a dark hole.

[litethatnevergoesout]

Trauma. 1000 yard stare. The threshold is different person to person.

[Artistfriend]

Feelings come and go, change is always possible. Its all relative, is a homeless addict living on the streets too far gone, what about someone battling serious illness in their bodies? People go on somehow, it's their choice

[Nothing_but_books in reply to Artistfriend]

I'm nitpicking. A lot of people aren't alive because it's their choice, but because it's difficult to kill yourself. Pills fail. You can get hanging and razors wrong. Even a gunshot can leave you alive and worse off.

[Artistfriend in reply to Nothing_but_books]

Sounds like a fair point

[Hidden]

This is a really tricky question to answer. It is hard to know if somebody is too far gone to ever be restored to a reasonable mental state state, or if they are just going through some kind of serious difficulty which can be treated with medication’s and therapy. condition that would be considered too far gone is a serious antisocial personality disorder who harms other people. They typically end up in jail. Society has a long way to go in deciding what subjective conditions warrant this kind of consideration. Society also needs to do a lot more to treat people who have mental health problems.

I know that this is controversial, but there is a growing movement in the United States towards the use of euthanasia for people who are going to die within six months and are in intractable pain, and for whom there is no treatment left. Some people are asking whether mental health pain of a similarly severe nature should also be considered grounds for euthanasia. I don’t have an answer to this question, and society will be very resistant to such considerations.

[CLB1125]

my belief is if someone can break through a person’s barriers they have put up then recovery is always possible. But it takes someone who cares enough to look beyond barriers. It’s been my experience that the medical/mental health professionals are sorely lacking.

But I have read of people who for whatever reason a lightbulb pops on and they decide I can take charge of my life and completely turn their life around. So it is possible.

[Starrlight]

how r u Miami?