My GP

[PoSt1MaNPaT1]

I spoke to my GP today about me having constant suicidal thoughts and numerous attempts to try to take my life,the GP said that I will probably always have those thoughts because i've got borderline personality disorder I thought jesus Christ how am I going to live with this everyday I thought the medication would take the thoughts away.Does anyone know if what the doctor said is true I thought I was going to get a break from my brain doing my head in.

[JonW_Swan]

Its hard I thought the same way in the beginning

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to JonW_Swan]

Yes it is very hard,I suppose I will just have to find a way to live with it and try not to act on my thoughts,thanks for your reply,hope your having a peaceful night take care.😋

[LazyXrayEyes2255]

Ask for professional to treat you, like psychiatrist. Ask for referral.

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to LazyXrayEyes2255]

I've seen a psychiatrist she offered me group therapy but I can't bring myself to do it because of my anxiety,i've also got it stuck in my head that group therapy won't help me,I shouldn't be so negative before i've have it a try.

[LazyXrayEyes2255 in reply to PoSt1MaNPaT1]

did they offer you private therapy or did you ask for another psychiatrist

don't let it go until you get someone right xxxx

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to LazyXrayEyes2255]

It was either to be online which I can't do it group therapy she didn't mention anything about group therapy,I don't see her again until June.I don't really like her she wasn't believing what I was saying so I left feeling more depressed and anxious.I was going to say to her the next time that I see her that I don't see any point in talking to her if she doesn't believe me.I've been suffering harassment from the neighbour above me constantly banging on the ceiling and she thinks it's all in my head and that i'm hearing things.There is nothing worse than when your telling the truth and your not believed.I think this psychiatrist will m as me me more crazy than what I already am.LOL

[LazyXrayEyes2255 in reply to PoSt1MaNPaT1]

Please get someone that actually listens to you and helps you properly, talk to your doctor again xxxxxx

[lovemydoggy in reply to PoSt1MaNPaT1]

DBT is supposed to be really good. Nobody can tell you these thoughts without won’t go away. Individual therapy can help too. A GP isn’t a psychiatric professional.

[LifeIsThePitts]

It's an unfortunate misconception that antidepressants and other psyche meds will essentially "cure" you. Medication will improve your mental state, but usually to be successful, there has to be another therapy in conjunction, like cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) or a variation of other talk therapy models like Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), Family Systems Therapy, Group therapy or other adjuncts...the more options you can introduce into your recovery tool box, the better your outcomes and results become.

One without the other have been proven not to be conducive for successful long term rehabilitation or recovery. It is up to the patient to take control of their recovery when meds begin lifting the overwhelming symptoms. When debilitating symptoms abate, the patient can begin the inner work necessary so that recovery can be accomplished, addressed and the underlying problems or traumas can be faced head on.

The main job that meds elicit are to quell the overwhelming symptoms of whatever mental health issues you're addressing. That is what gives the patient the ability to address the underlying issues contributing to depression, anxiety or other mental health/personality disorder behaviors and unhealthy patterns of thought and actions that are limiting your life.

The cure comes from within and joining a group therapy program is a huge benefit in the long term.

Professional intervention in the form of a psychologist, therapist or group therapy are crucial to heal.

[Franklin68 in reply to LifeIsThePitts]

What a great way to explain it

[LifeIsThePitts in reply to Franklin68]

Thank you very much...we should all know this to help us advocate properly for our mental health and recovery, but the system wants us to remain dependent on the meds and not cure ourselves. It a tragic situation at best and horrible testament to the broken western medical system in the US. Modern medicine should not be a business model for profit...

[Franklin68 in reply to LifeIsThePitts]

My college roommate who is a radiologist feels the same way about our medical system. He doesn’t think it’s repairable.

[LifeIsThePitts in reply to Franklin68]

It can't/won't be repaired because big pharma and insurance are running the show for profit, and Drs are literally prisoners of the system we are trapped in, but cannot do a thing about it...look at United Healthcare, for example, and their diabolical practice of denial of coverage. My obgyn, who was in private practice until last year, had to join a group because she couldn't afford HER personal practice insurance premiums any longer. My GP left private practice for the same reason.

It's a cancer of the medical system that is corporate greed based on monetary gains and the masses suffer. There is no humanity left in the US medical system.

When people outside our country see how astronomically unaffordable medical care is in the US, they're shocked. With good reason.

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to LifeIsThePitts]

Thankyou, you have explained that very well.

[LifeIsThePitts]

Unfortunately there is no quick fix or hands off approach or resolution to mental health recovery. It's not like taking a pill daily to manage high blood pressure or chemotherapy to cure cancer. You've got to do the mental work to heal yourself.

[PoSt1MaNPaT1]

Thanks for your reply it's good to know that there's hope that I won't be crazy for the rest of my life lol, it's up to me now to have to find the courage to do group therapy.

[LifeIsThePitts in reply to PoSt1MaNPaT1]

You can do this! This forum is like baby steps to get to in person group therapy. You're already opening up in this online group... the next step is to push your boundaries and attend the in person group. It's a process and you're doing great 👍

[PoSt1MaNPaT1]

Thanks for your reply hopefully on day I can come in here and say that I managed to do it.Your praise means so much to me I've been brought down all my life.THANKYOU

[LifeIsThePitts in reply to PoSt1MaNPaT1]

Remember...

If you tell yourself you can't do something, you won't.

If you tell yourself you CAN do something, you WILL!!

It's about small changes in action, thought and perception that start altering your behavior.😉 Mental health is not an overnight fix. It took a lifetime to reach the place you're trying to get out of now...it only makes sense that it's going to take a while to turn yourself around. Trust the process...it is not linear. However, the most important thing is to educate yourself and take one day at a time. One difficult day does not negate your hard work. Keep moving forward.💪

[b1b1b1]

I doubt that what the GP said is true. First of all, he does not sound like a very good GP. Second, He should have referred you to a psychiatrist as GPs are not trained to diagnose or treat the type of problem you have. He also sounds like not a very kind person. You need to be under the care of a psychiatrist.

[Headinjuryhypo1]

And please don't discount possible physical causes for the way you're feeling. For example it's not as widely known as it should be that a concussion or worse head injury (if you ever had that) can damage your pituitary gland and leave you short of vital hormones, and no amount of counselling or anti-depressants will help your depression because what you need is usually growth hormone replacement. Do check this out if you think it could apply to you

[Ryanlion]

Please if it's possible see a psychiatrist, they are the experts as GPs know very little about mental conditions and how to treat them. Going to group therapy will help you a lot because you will meet people with similar conditions to yours. These group members can be so kind and nice, because everyone wants to help each other too.We would love to hear how you get on.

[worthytobeloved]

I sympathise with you. It's horrible to feel the way you do, and then when you get up the courage to go to a doctor, they are dismissive of you. Your GP was wrong - you won't always feel that way - you'll have good days and bad days like all of us. How long have you been on the medication? It takes a while to start working. Also, it may not be right for you. It took me two goes before I got.the right one. I was lucky that my GP immediately referred me to a psychiatrist. If you can, speak to another doctor. Hopefully you'll be referred to a psychiatrist, but failing that try to get counselling. Or just find someone who will listen without judging, and will offer you support. I have to say, not every doctor, psychiatrist or counsellor will be right for you (as you've discovered). Keep on trying, and know that everyone here is rooting for you.I'm also worried about what you said about your upstairs neighbour. Stress like that can be a tipping point. Is there anyone in authority you can tell who can have a word with your neighbour?

I really empathise with you having been through the same experiences. With the right medication and the right support hopefully things will get better. Wishing you all the best - take care. xxx

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to worthytobeloved]

Thanks for your reply ive only been on the medication a couple of weeks.I have tried to speak to housing and the police about the harassment but their not interested all the housing staff have turned against me,if I have to phone them about anything they start to get cocky to try to goad me in to arguing with them and I fall for it because i've got memory and concentration problems i've never came across such nasty people in housing in all my life. Yes the stress of the harassment has tipped me over the edge I've taken 6 overdoses in the past 18 months,i'm scared of these people they are well known to the police for being bullys no one in the area stands up to them because they would get a kicking.I do see a psychiatrist but she thinks all the noise is just in my head I don't see her again until June so i'm going to tell her there's no point in me talking to her if she doesn't believe me because that's just making me feel more depressed.Take care

[KKKitty in reply to PoSt1MaNPaT1]

Your meds may not really cut in for a month, perhaps two. You may not even realize they are starting to work but those around you will. Your mindset is on defeat instead of victory right now. No shame in that. If possible I would ask the doctor for the tests that can influence your state of mind--hormones. pituitary, testosterone, make sure it is not a physical thing. Make yourself go to group therapy. In the old days one would go to a spiritual advisor, perhaps join a group. I can suggest that you do something physical and maybe tough. Swim in the local pool, join a dragonboat or rowing team, walk every day. It is unfortunate that some of us walk into a doctor's office and expect to walk out cured! Stay on this board and use it to destress--- And make sure you journal, even if it's only a mark on the calendar of how you coped with each day. Little by little you CAN gain control of this. Good luck!

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to KKKitty]

Thanks for your reply I don't have the energy to join any clubs i've got FND and struggle to just get out my bed in the morning i've got numb hard legs and I fall about as if i'm drunk I also have chronic fatigue so i'm knackered before I even leave the house,i'm also suffering from severe dizziness and dissociation so I don't know what's going on around me most of the time. I don't enjoy going out I done find anything enjoyable about it when I feel so weak and fall about all over the place.

[Machoupa]

So, is it a given that suicidal thoughts and attempts go with borderline personality disorder??Doesn't sound like a very understsanding or compassionate GP.

Personally i would be inclined to change my Dr. or as someone else suggested, ask for a referral to see someone else

Best wishes

Machouoa

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to Machoupa]

I've read up on borderline personality disorder yes it's true that suicidal thoughts are a symptom of it,it also says that people with the condition are more likely to commit suicide.

[blimpsgo180]

Here's my advice: You really are what you eat. If you eat a lot of meat, dairy, and processed foods, you're going to feel like crud. High number, I know, but I try to get 7-9 servings of fruits and vegetables every day. I feel wonderful, I'm happy, and I don't need Zoloft anymore after taking it for twenty years.

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to blimpsgo180]

Sorry but i've got a mental illness called borderline personality disorder due to being sexually abused as a child and having a narcissistic mother I think I need more than fruit and vegetables.I've been told that suicidal thoughts are a symptom of borderline personality disorder,if fruit and veg solved the problem then there wouldn't be so many depressed people in the world and the shelf in the fruit and veg shop would be empty.Anyway i'm happy for you that you have found something that makes you feel wonderful,long may it carry on .Take care

[Moviemaniac]

This does not sound right to me. What I have learned is that a person with suicidal thoughts requires immediate help. I would get a referral for a psychiatric evaluation.

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to Moviemaniac]

Thank you for your post I'm seeing a psychiatrist,i've been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder due to trauma as a child,I wished that I could stop having the suicidal thoughts it's brain damage and depressing. I've been told that I need group therapy but because of anxiety I can't bring myself to go.Take care

[ACE135]

Do you have suicidal thoughts for a reason, as in you're dealing with grief, hate your life etc? I believe you can train the brain to battle many things with the correct methods, so therefore I believe you can reduce/stop these thoughts. It'll probably require hardwork and persistence like having talking therapy, hypnosis, meditation, affirmations, supplements, journaling and so on. GP's don't know everything and that's just one person's opinion. If you believe things will never get better, then they probably won't. The GP shouldn't have said what he said as he's taking away your hope and motivation. Of course, that's just my opinion. I hope you find what works for you and finally get that break.

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to ACE135]

Sometimes the thoughts come in to my head for know reason and sometimes it's because I hate life i'm disabled I've tried to take my life on numerous occasions someone told me I can get therapy and it can take up to a year to be cured but I suppose everyone is different.I don't see any fun in life of i'm constantly feeling weak and in pain and also various neurological symptoms. Thanks for your reply.Take care

[Riders223]

I have had suicidal thoughts throughout my entire life also, seems as though it's a personality disorder, thanks to your post.

I won't waste my time with GPs I find them to be unhelpful at the best of times.

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to Riders223]

I've had suicidal thoughts most of my life as well I don't know why it took so long for a psychiatrist to diagnose me with borderline personality disorder,it was me that said to the psychiatrist that this is not right why do I constantly feel suicidal and attempt to take my own life.They say that people with borderline personality disorder are more likely to take there life,they also say that people with borderline personality disorder brains are not fully developed some parts of the brain are smaller than what they should be.Please go to see your GP and ask to see a psychiatrist.Do to mind me asking if you've had any childhood trauma,I will understand if you don't want to answer that.Take care.

[Riders223 in reply to PoSt1MaNPaT1]

Childhood trauma!! both my parents died by the time I was 15. I've always thought that was what triggered my death wish.

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to Riders223]

So sorry to hear that,that would have been very difficult to deal with.Have you spoken to anyone at all about how you feel it could maybe help a bit it's not good for you to keep it all in.I would be interested to know if you had borderline personality disorder,there can be a wait to see a psychiatrist but it's worth a try.I'm trying to get over my anxiety so that I can go for group therapy.Take care

[LifeIsThePitts]

Mental health is not an overnight fix. It took a lifetime to reach the place you're trying to get out of now...it only makes sense that it's going to take a while to turn yourself around. Trust the process...it is not linear. However, the most important thing is to educate yourself and take one day at a time. One difficult day does not negate your hard work. Keep moving forward.💪

[MarcoBronx]

youtube.com/watch?v=OKPemuE...(Not working as expected?)

[PoSt1MaNPaT1 in reply to MarcoBronx]

Oh my god I felt every bit of that,the shivers went right through me and the tears are streaming down my face that was so emotional.Thank you I was trying to see if I could save it.Believe it or not my brain keeps repeating the words I matter.Take care and thanks again that was so powerful.

[MarcoBronx in reply to PoSt1MaNPaT1]

My pleasure, happy to help!