phone consult with psychiatrist

[Jenny583]

Has anyone had a phone consult with a psychiatrist?

I have just received a call to say that my apt with a psychiatrist i the morning is going to be via phone. I live in Jersey, where everyone was forced to have fibre broadband installed 2-3 years ago, so now only 1 phone works, but much of the time I can hardly hear the other person.

I asked for this appt because I was told by Lawyers that were employed by an insurance company acting for the gov that - if I paid for a counsellor - that I would be reimbursed through a victim compensation scheme all costs & compensation + free therapy for my c-psd & major depression that related to harm by government employees who ruined my life. The police rewrote my records so no chance of compensation which would have covered costs.

I am now broke & my only chance of reimbursement of costs with a very bad counsellor that took all my £ & didn't believe anything I said & only chance of trauma therapy & past costs is if I can get an appt with a psychiatrist, who is the only person that could vouch for my situation, that's the clause.

The thing is - how can I show my hard won records & proof of the abuse with a telephone conversation with a stranger?

I spent months setting the record straight against the lies in the records.

I have traumatic amnesia, but in trying to unearth the truth, I have been left with worsening health,( I have not been able to work for 30 years). In order to obtain this appt I had to take antidepressants for 2 weeks, but they make me worse, & a life time of these drugs destroyed my health so much so that I was very ill & had to stop taking them 3 years ago. I have spent £1000's going from GP practice to GP practice, (until I found 1 willing to take me on) (GP's & psyches are all private in Jersey) so patient pays. The new GP practice don't tell us what is on blood test results & prescribe antidepressants for everything - even if patient is unable to tolerate.

So because I was not able to take them at previous practice I am dismissed as well, but I also have endocrine failure & T3 is all that helps, but I have no means of testing dosage or testing growth hormone, so I am forced to self source & pay for T3. I only found out 2 weeks ago from new GP that I was hypo for decades! But what chance have I got of obtaining therapy or pituitary function tests or diagnosis or treatment for either mental or physical worsening health over a dodgy phone?

Does anyone take T3 for major depression - with or without hypothyroidism? I understand that T3 was used by psyche for depression for some time B4 ssri's took over as the panacea.

Thank you for reading this horrendous rant! Bless you.

[lillyofthevalley37]

Hi Jenny hope it the phone consultation went ok ?

[Jenny583 in reply to lillyofthevalley37]

Thanks for asking lillyofthevalley37.

A nurse? phoned to say that psyche had been called out on emergency. I was very confused, the A D's had a bad effect on me physically & mentally, & I was incoherent.

In short - I blew it. But I think that inability to concentrate made no difference to the outcome, they are clearly just going through the motions, & the pandemic has provided them with additional excuse. I haven't had appt with a proper Endo either, just bills from new GP, I expect the cardiac appt in June is cancelled too.

I messed up the TFT tests too, as I was so confused that I took all 3 doses of thyroid on morning of test - so FT3 was top of range.

All I can do now is try & write my will - somehow.

Hope you are bearing up in detention Lilly! Take care.

[lillyofthevalley37 in reply to Jenny583]

What antidepressants were you on ?

Last time I.was in contact with you you were getting on well with your councillor but I'm reading between the lines and gather they have fleeced you?

You're right it is detention I am going along with it all but I have my doubts

[Jenny583 in reply to lillyofthevalley37]

I was on 28 x 10 mg Citalopram. Every side effect going + what felt like a very palpable down regulation of hormones.

The kidneys & the giblets above them reacted badly. (I cannot remember the names of many things) - as you can see from above sentence. My back was really bad, (that only happens when I am under severe physical & mental stress. My temperature is down too, & body like a very old corpse.

I was so confused (from cptsd ) B4 last blood test that I took all 3 meds that I would have normally taken the day B4 as usual - in 1 go on morning of test! so I don't appear hypo now, also I was looking at print out of the killer endo's version of the last 3 years TFT's etc, & noticed that he had redacted all the proof that I was hypo, he left out all the FT3's & just left the tsh's & calls it suppressed tsh, when in fact it was already under range B4 I started taking thyroid. I was going to compile a pile of GP acquired printouts of the last 3 years -(all the records that I have) & juxtapose them with his distorted, selective , lying narrative & also show her the research that I gathered (mainly) from links from this forum, I will instead have to put them with bill in surgery postbox.

So the promised psyche did not materialise, & the Endo appt is not now happening.

I got 2 emails over last 18 hours telling me that I have appt at GP surgery.

I phoned to ask about this - as appt with endo was scheduled for today, receptionist eventually spoke to say that GP would phone PM. So it looks like appt is cancelled.

To get a small part of the expenses back that I was conned into paying for what was effectively "oh behave & be positive" "therapy" - according to the small print from Lawyer - I had to get a letter from GP to say that I needed it, but ex GP stonewalled me & new young GP was clueless, so it does not look like I will be re-imbursed for jumping through that hoop, or allowed psychotherapy in future.

I will have to continue to self treat with T3 & up the dose, T3 was used successfully for major chronic depression by psychiatrists in past till psychopaths took over...

It appears that the privatisation of the medical facilities is now complete, & though we still have to pay SS insurance we now also have to pay for specialist appts which take place at GP surgery, so now we are totally private. Operations at own expense in other countries - for those with the £. This is why I needed the reimbursment for "therapy" so that I can get the tests privately in UK. Also it costs hundreds to write a will here. Lawyers here are most expensive in world. + if all you have left is roof over your head ( immovable estate) then will cost is in the thousands, also if you die intestate the mafia take everything after you are dead - if you don't have executor.

I hope you have someone to play with in lock down, let us know how you get on with the sunshine/dopamine theory!

Take care.

[Jenny583 in reply to Jenny583]

OK, so I got call from GP, which I recorded with a voice recorder, though only my voice is audible. As expected, she didn't like the fact that my T3 was top of range on last test, I tried to explain that I had in my senile confusion mistakenly taken all 3 doses that I would have taken in a spaced dose of 5 hrs apart the day B4 - on the morning of the test, which as we all know skewed the result.

It was clear that she did not understand, & so we both agreed that I would include the print outs on which I gleaned the advice about timing & fasting etc - in an envelope along with the bill🙄

So no tests to find out if I have any functionality in the space where my brain & hypothalamus & pituitary should be. All because I messed up the fasting protocol!

She asked if I had heard from Endocrinology or Psychiatry, I said no, & explained that I was very confused when speaking to the nurse/bouncer, as psyche had been called out.

There is no therapy in Jersey, just AD's & anti-psychotics, so these hoops that people who do not have bipolar or schizophrenia are made to jump do a lot of harm!

I tried to explain that I have ptsd & that the AD's made it worse, but she is in the AD's are the magic pill that cures everything camp- including apparently endocrine failure & PTSD... She then said that she didn't know what else to prescribe as I am clearly not a fan of AD's. So it sounds like I am in the doghouse for 1. keeping myself alive with expensive supplements including T3 &T4, and 2. not singing the praises of AD's & not being miraculously cured by 28 days of the latest ssri at 10mg. I can't win.

She asked what letter she could write that could get me reimbursed for the costs of private "therapy". She remembered that I had said that I needed a letter from a DR to say that I needed therapy. I said that I didn't have the wording in front of me, but that I would include it in the documents to send her.

It sounds like I am right back where I started, only more broke, more confused, more senile, & totally cut off from civilisation.

I will need to be extremely careful which documents I include in the envelope that I foist on this GP. I will seek advice from forum members & include my last results & all other results going back to the 1st printout that I obtained of TSH & subsequent T3 & T4 along with the doses that I was medicating with, which would have included BIOTIN.

My next blood test at GP's surgery is 8.15 wednesday 2 weeks hence. I got the idea that early is best - from thyroid forum.

[lillyofthevalley37 in reply to Jenny583]

They prescribe SSRI wily nily without even testing if people are low on serotonin and many need the opposite of serotonin which is dopamine the highest source of dopamine is alcohol so that's why people feel good drinking alcohol

Coffee is also a good source

I hope you manage to get sorted Jenny apart from compensation what is it you want from them? A diagnosis?

[Jenny583 in reply to lillyofthevalley37]

I was too young for assessment for dementia in 2006, still too young, they dismissed me after an IQ test, told me that proved I wasn't demented, I pointed out that IQ was down by 1/3rd they called me a liar.

AD's were increased, I felt like I was overdosed, metabolism was so low, GP put me on daily propranolol, I became even more senile. Ironically it was then that I was told that I had been progressively more hypo was decades!

The tricyclics that I had taken for 20 years & the propranolol are known as the greatest threat to cognition, I downloaded some articles yesterday that prove this.

I cannot get compensation as they have buried my statements & refuse to give me SAR for police, educational, medical, so the "counsellor" wants me to try & get costs that I paid her reimbursed - as she wants to drain every £ from me, even though she would not support me, (she is scared of the mafia!) or as she calls them the Masons...

What I want is coffee, booze & brain scans, as my brain has deteriorated much more since the citalopram course. I did the online tests that show that I have marked dementia, I have printed the result & will include it with the docs for the doc.

They cannot be sued by me as I was conned into signing a disclaimer whereby I can't ever sue any gov dept. But they may not be aware of that.

Basically the GP phoned to remind me that I promised to cut my thyroid meds by 20% & I had done, but I felt too ill to maintain that dosage while on AD's as they drove down my metabolism so much so that I messed up the last blood tests. So I have no way of knowing if my brain is dead from brain hypo T or if I have maybe frontal dementia or brain damage from years of toxic meds & environmental toxins. I suspect that it is all these. She will not help until I am way below range, but I can't function even when they are in range! + they ignore the tests when they are under range, except TSH, as that "proves " that I am abusing "sports steroids" - apparently. I need to cut these Dr's out & buy my hormones online & save up for a lawyer by Autumn.

But I went way below in january by stopping the meds for 6 days B4 blood tests which they threw away! I wouldn't mind but they charge me £65.50 each blood test.

Imagine living on next to 0 & spending half of that on supplements & the rest to people that are trying to kill you - every month.

In a democratic country this battle would end in an expose of the reality that lies behind the facade - but no one cares what happens to the little people here. So called human rights activists just whine that they get death threats if they speak to me. And everyone (except psychiatrists) believe that I am mentally ill.

So this attempt to get my head & hormones looked at is to try & find out if I have central HPA axis dysfunction, as some have suggested that I appear to lack growth hormone, (1 of many tests that they avoid doing), also to ascertain if I have dementia as the tests suggest, & also to try & gain enough functionality to put my affairs in order - as that is now all that I have to look forward to. A trip to UK & private tests & diagnosis no longer an option now, so only a miracle can expose the rot now, but it's too late for me.

I will dig out my dopamine (L tyrosine) later but maybe I should leave them till after blood test?

[lillyofthevalley37 in reply to Jenny583]

Hi Jenny Tyrosine plays a vital role in thyroid because it prompts the thyroid system to get going

I take a little bit of tyrosine everyday because it makes melanin if I don't take it on a sunny day my skin burns

I find a whole 500mg capsule makes me feel a bit wired but last year when I was serotonin heavy I was fine with a whole 500mg capsule.

Sounds like the Freemasons run Jersey. It isn't democratic in UK either it's just a facade people are getting fed up with this lock down

I don't think you have dementia Jenny I just think you are open and honest propanalol is linked to dementia though and it also slows down T3 converting into T4

Not sure if tyrosine would affect a blood test I don't think so, biotin does though

[Jenny583 in reply to lillyofthevalley37]

I can't find my Tyrosine - so I will have to leave off it for now - till after blood tests.

I came across an article yesterday about the skin benefits when in the sun after reading your post on sun/tyrosine.

I could not go near the sun - not because I have fair skin, (its quite dark) - but because my skin was so dry that my arms already dry & swollen would go red, itchy & flake off, but not in a sunburn sense, yet my face would go brown on same day.

So I stayed out of sun & rickets got worse! but I developed wrinkles overnight which are still there.

Your advice on how to take tyrosine is invaluable, some seasoned tyrosine heads tell of how they have to stop taking it for a while as they get wired & tired, then resume after a short while, which is handy to know as many stop when they get these effects.

Yes the lock down is Orwellian isn't it? I brought a bum bag to a friend who has been crippled by lack of medical aftercare yesterday, but I doubt if she will be able to wear it - as she has put on so much weight while in lock down! she was telling me that 1 of the nursing homes (previously a Jeanne Jugan charity) which was recently taken over (by what sounds like a profits only death camp outfit) had covid 19 introduced by the new staff who brought it back from Spanish holidays & infected the elderly residents who have now confined to their rooms & forbidden visitors, fresh air, speech and are being starved, while the original staff have been effectively dismissed!

Most of the deaths here are elderly care home residents, & 2 have been from the mental hospital that has capacity for 10 inmates - at most. So at least 20% mortality in these (condemned by every human rights org there is) Both Uk & Jersey appear to be going back to "Victorian values".

Jersey is about to ease off the lock down but social distance will remain.

So the internet will be for us oldies & decrepidies the only human contact for the forseeable!😉

[Jenny583 in reply to Jenny583]

I had an unexpected phone call this AM from an Endocrinologist (Dr C) who told me that the euthanaisist as we call him! - 'Dr S'- that I had seen on several occasions had been recalled to UK, the locums stay in Jersey for 6 months, but Dr C will be here for 10 years, which is interesting... Hey - look - I can afford to speak my mind & sound paranoid, I have 0 left to lose!

He told me that he could not understand why he had not met me! I held my tongue. From the questions that he threw at me it sounded like he - 1. could not understand why he had not met me as his name was on most of the appt letters, & 2. he asked me some bizzare questions that suggested - along with his tone that he has been indoctrinated by Dr S who wrote to all & sundry that I am an internet sourced sports steroid abuser of many years, with an as yet undiagnosed (sofarasIknow insanity) & a hypochondriac to boot. Dr S told everyone that I had normal thyroid function B4 I embarked on T3, & that will be written in my stone records which I am forbidden to view.

He asked how I was & I answered that I have had a bad back since a week in of taking Cipalopran & that the crippling effects are reminiscent of an all too familiar stress reaction. Thank God I only had 2 weeks of low dose. Treatment resistant depression is a crime in Jersey, as is hypochondria, or as we know it 'depression of chronic illness'.

He sounds Indian, & my self wired phone sounds half dead, but I got the gist of what he was trying to ascertain & say, he tried to sound shocked that I had not worked for over 30 years & the tone of the conversation sounded like he was trying to ascertain just how mental I am. Not that seeming to all & sundry sounding mental has ever got me help, if I sound mental the psyches tell me I am physically ill & "go back to your GP". If I sound physically ill I get the "take the latest Anti D you are clearly mental speech". I can't win.

It all costs more than I have. Phone conversations cost, blood tests cost, supplements cost, I have been on this merry go round for 40 years. He wanted to know what supplements I buy! I could hear his brain ticking even though I could barely hear him.

If I see this Dr C in the flesh I don't know if I should take the documents that support my theory that there is something not working right in my head - as Dr C is firmly in the ( low Tsh is indicative of self administered thyrotoxicosis camp)- end of.

He said as much, I said that I understood that that line of reasoning is the firmly established heresy that he has been taught, after he told me that blood test numbers are all that he knows. He audibly sniggered.

It's unfortunate that - as I was not expecting that call - I (being brain fogged for whatever reason) did not remember to put my voice recorder on...

I will seek advice from thyroid Uk for this.

Thanks.

[lillyofthevalley37 in reply to Jenny583]

I am banned from thyroid UK because I said to a pregnant woman that I wouldn't let levothyroxine anywhere near a baby , there are some very knowledgeable people on there though I hope you get some good advice

[Jenny583 in reply to lillyofthevalley37]

😖I'm so sorry, can't begin to imagine what that would feel like.

The knowledge that I have learned on health unlocked has been invaluable, & helped a friend via advice I got through my broadband & printer, she had been abandoned by Dr's & was in the dark.

I hope you find the answers & have support - whatever the source. I find your opinions very sound & you come across as very supportive.

I will continue to follow your wisdom, & wish you well.

[lillyofthevalley37 in reply to Jenny583]

Hi Jenny I wasn't pregnant and taking Levothyroxine it was someone else who I advised against taking Levothyroxine whilst pregnant

my daughters are grown up.

Hope you are getting on ok weather in Yorkshire is a bit miserable today what's it like in Jersey?

[Jenny583 in reply to lillyofthevalley37]

Hi Lillyofthevalley.

Yes, I know you were advising someone else, that was very considerate of you.

I am doing OK now thanks, hope you are too.

I have just ordered some T3, now that it's available again, the price is going up all the time!

I had run out of the Porcine metavive so am taking 2 Bovines & no T3 for last fortnight.

GP wants blood on Wednesday at 8.15 am, she wont be happy that Iv'e changed regime again, but that cant be helped. When I run out of Metavive I will take just T3.

I got a call from an Endo a couple of weeks ago, he called taking all 3 doses on morning of last test an overdose! when I tried to explain that I cannot go by numbers like bottom of 'in range' t3 & t4, & high TSH - he replied that he was taught to go by numbers, (I have almost no TSH) - so don't fit his picture, so I will most likely have to go it alone.

There is no way that I am going down the route of going without any thyroid again, I thought I was dying when I tried that last, & that my Adrenal glands had packed up ! I wouldn't mind but they disappeared the blood that I had taken B4 I crashed without any meds for 6 days, I should have called an ambulance, then the hospital might have stepped in. But they ignore the GP blood tests when they are under range anyway, so whats the point of jumping through all these hoops? I'm still bedridden.

I stopped taking Ashwagandha today, feel much better, I don't think it agreed with me. Bad back since I started the anti-D, & it's a month since I stopped, also bad joints, & worsened dry skin & hives. Hair is falling out again, almost gone now.

I'm not sleeping well so I will have to compile a lot of notes for GP, very tired & put on another 3 lbs in last week! I'm still debating whether to post B4 or after next blood results, brain fog is too much to think of what advice I wanted to ask though, so will play it by ear, & see if things improve without ashwagandha. I will start taking apple cider vinegar religiously from now on to try & get some digestion going, & then report my findings. Weather here is 19 & sunny, my temperature has gone back to 36.3 again, so probably the supplements down regulated temp!

Bless you & yours, Jenny.

[lillyofthevalley37 in reply to Jenny583]

Hi Jenny hope you are ok today sorry to read you are bedridden mind you I am laid on my bed as I write this and could happily stay on it most of the day I think I need some iron it's a lovely day though the sun is shining and the birds are singing

I thought the thyroid meds helped you to leave your bed and get out and about? Can't say I completely understand your health problems Jenny but wishing you well nontheless I suppose I'm a bit confused by you have zero TSH but you take T3 then I am guessing you think it is an.endocrine issue

Do you go on twitter? I am on it it's quite good you get lots of alternative view points what's it like in Jersey today ?

[Jenny583 in reply to lillyofthevalley37]

Hi there, I'm sorry UR bedridden. Are you able to get iron blood tests? Pate is good for low iron, just bought some as I too have low iron, & apple cider vinegar helps absorb almost as much as vit c.

I should have explained, I am in the dark as to why I am poorly, I went to GP this AM, but got told off for not taking the metavive porcine that I was taking B4, I had run out, but I didn't want to spend another £+ on something that I want to give up. I was not offered a prescription, or given a chance to mention health issues. I will have to buy anti histamines & HRT from internet, so I might as well de register, & save £ on GP's.

I want to go onto T3 only as that is quantifiable & easily compared to T4.

The reason I started taking all these meds at my own expense is that I am hypothyroid, and senile, I bought metavive because I was afraid that Dr's would make trouble for those who need to buy T3, But it went pear shaped. I now know I need T3 to clear the brain fog enough to write my will, & get everything ready.

Here they only go by TSH, & ignore T3 & T4, (so almost impossible for anyone to get Levo or anything else, even when out of range for 40 years) which for me indicates an HPA axis problem. I don't even know if I had hashi's as they wont tell me anything or let me see medical notes or records. Thyroid gland has now vanished. And she did not do anti B's like she promised, which makes me wonder if she can be trusted.

Various private GP's told me to get referral through my then GP which I eventually managed, but Endo lied & covered up truth, & threw blood away, & made up results of tests that I never had, I have written proof but no one to show the proofto! Dr Death has now cleared off back to UK. I have printouts from 2016 that prove I am central hypo, but no one is interested. I went onto supplements like metavive as that was all that was available at time, I'm running out of these, just ordered more Tiromel - now that its back online, -as it's cheaper & measurable, & will show me how hypo I am on metavive at moment, I will have to go by how I feel from now on.

GP asked me if I want her to write a letter to LOD to show that I am insane, & that she recommends psyche. I said yes, but she cannot guarantee that I would not get the Psychopathic psychiatrist that I was sent for assessment to each time B4. Even though it's only a formality, the med dept cover up by invalidating victims, so I wont hold my breath. I had been tricked into spending £ privately that should have proved that I have Cptsd, & treatment resistant depression, but now they are saying that that can only be diagnosed by Psychiatrist. The counsellor overcharged me & that should have been reimbursed by law office, but bent lawyer is working for cover up team.

So I'm out of pocket. The Psychiatrist that my new GP got to phone me never phoned, so I'm back where I started.

I will borrow money to write my will, then I'm out of here.

It's 25 & sunny here, 😎I will go & look at weeds now & try & figure out how I can build a wood store from ' old marked down & split outdoor banisters' that I bought from DIY store on way back from blood test. The other day A huge branch of ash broke off into neighbours land, (I took pictures), I retrieved it so need to cut up & store. I am shivering lately even though it's hot here, & GP could not get a vein for ages, which proves (by my low metabolism) (with or without blood tests) - that metavive is no where near as potent as tiromel. 😳

I hope it's nice & hot in UK. Yes I am on twitter, but haven't bothered lately, lost lots of followers, but don't care, you can give me your handle if you want though.

Take care & stay safe ,& get well soon

Jenny.

[lillyofthevalley37 in reply to Jenny583]

Hi Jenny I am not actually bedridden you said you were ?

I will tell you my twitter handle in private message (PM)

Could you PM me as I can't PM you ?