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My Oncologist says she has tried all her bags of tricks and nothing has worked keeping PSA under control . Diagnosed with advanced PC in 2918 with PSA over 200 referred to Urologist put on Zolodax injections. Worked for short while then became castrate resistant , began Zitiga, PSA kept rising , began Xandi and could not tolerate so stopped pills. Apartently not a candidate for radium 223 because of lymph node mets (questionable). Also she felt because of age I should not be a candidate for chemo.....so its go home be comfortable for whats left of life

More info on treatment below I am in Canada

ID/DIAGNOSIS: William Reginal Jones is a 86 year old gentleman with metastatic castrate resistant prostate cancer (bone, ?abdominal/pelvic lymph node metastases). On enzalutamide.

ONCOLOGY HISTORY:

Metastatic castrate-resistant prostate cancer to bone and LNs

INVITAE - variant of unknown significance - c.1031G>A (p.Arg344Gin) heterozygous

- Diagnosed in summer 2018, PSA was 221.

- TRUS guided biopsy showed Gleason score 9/10.

- Restaging investigation showed a lesion in the right iliac bone concerning for metastatic disease. No mention of any lymphadenopathy.

- Radiation to prostate completed

- (prior imaging did not show any mets on bone scan and some possible abd/pelvic LNs, bilateral hydro on CT scan)

- PSA Jan 2019 - 2.9; Mar 2019 - 1.76, June 13, 2019 - 0.20; Sept 12, 2019 - 0.15; Sept 12, 2019 - 0.15

- March 2020 - Started on abiraterone and prednisone - baseline PSA 4.6

- PSA Apr 1, 2020 - 7.6; June 2, 2020 - 6.3

- Sept 2020 - Switched abd/pred to abi/dexamethasone (0.5 mg daily) - PSA 8.0

- PSA Nov 23, 2020-10.7; Jan 7, 2021-13.9; Feb 26, 2021 - 14.3; May 15, 2021- 19.7

-June 24, 2021 - Progression of bone metastases.

- PSA July 26, 2021 - 29.1

- September 2, 2021 - Rising PSA, started on enzalutamide 80 mg po daily (50% dose)

- PSA October 18, 2021 - 52.5 - increase enza to 120 mg po daily (75% dose)

- Nov 1, 2021 - Pt increased to 160 mg po daily

- PSA Nov 15, 2021 - 70.2

- PSA Dec 30, 2021 - 102

PMHx: Followed by Dr. Morash for hydronephrosis. For now no plans for nephrostomy tube unless worsening renal function (CrCl 31 ml/min)

INTERVAL HISTORY:

Mr. Jones was assessed by Dr. Malone for painful R scapula, 8 Gy in 1 #. Late January 2022.

He had terrible pain flare after the radiation, now it settled to a dull ache

Dec 30, 2021 - blood work - HGB 107, WBC 10.2, Neut 8.2, Plts 341, Cr 208 (baseline), lytes normal, ALP 146, lytes normal and LFTs normal, PSA 102

Dec 20, 2021 - Bone Scan Whole Spect

Comparison with the last exam of June 24, 2021.

-Progression in size of the main active lytic bone metastasis in the superior right scapula. Progression in size also of another lytic metastasis in the left posterior iliac crest.

-Unchanged small active lesion in T3 but presence of a new lytic active lesion in

the left superior scapula.

-Unchanged degenerative changes in the lower lumbar spine and signs of osteoarthritis in both knees. Also unchanged are faint focal uptakes in the 10th and 11th right ribs insistent with remote fractures.

Impression: Presence of active bone metastasis as detailed above with signs of progression since the last exam.

Dec 17, 2021 - CT scan of the thorax abdomen and pelvis (without IV contrast)

Comparison is made to the previous CT scan performed on July 21, 2021

IMPRESSION: MULTIPLE ENLARGED LYMPH NODES WITHIN THE RIGHT INFRACLAVICULAR AND THE RIGHT AXILLARY REGION AS DESCRIBED. THE LARGEST LYMPH NODE MEASUREs 2.7 CENTIMETERS IN DIAMETER AND IS SUSPICIOUS FOR METASTATIC NODES.

-ILL-DEFINED, AGGRESSIVE, LYTIC LESION WITHIN THE RIGHT SCAPULA EXTENDING INTO THE RIGHT GLENOID AS DESCRIBED. FINDINGS ARE HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS FOR METASTASIS

-Multiple retroperitoneal lymph nodes below the renal veins have remained stable in appearance.

-There is severe, right-sided hydronephrosis with hydroureter. The overall it shows no interval change. There is bilateral atrophic appearance of the kidneys

-No inflammatory changes or abscess.

ASSESSMENT:

-86 year old gentleman with metastatic castrate resistant prostate cancer, rising PSA and worsening lymphadenopathy and new bone mets on enzalutamide. Pt also not tolerating full dose enzalutamide. He has had some improvement in painful bony symptoms with radiation treatment to the scapula

-Unfortunately, we do not have any further systemic treatment options. I do not think he is a candidate for RAD 223 due to lymphadenopathy (extent seems out of keeping for COVID vaccine alone and there is multiple RP LNS). Not a candidate chemotherapy based on his poor performance status and concerns regarding toxicity. His wife inquired whether or not he could go back on abiraterone however given that he had both radiological and PSA progression on abiraterone this would no longer be funded and unlikely to be of any clinical benefit.

-The goals of care are symptom management and maintaining current quality of life.

-They have now been connected with the nurse practitioner. CCAC assessment is pending.

-I have not booked a follow-up appointment. In the future if he has any flares of bony pain this can certainly be assessed by Dr. Malone for consideration of further palliative radiation therapy. He will continue to be seen by Dr. Satterfield's office regarding his LHRH agonist.

Is this all or where to from here??????????

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Tall_Allen

Lymphadenopathy is not a contraindication for Xofigo - only visceral (organ) metastases. It can do a lot for your bone pain.

"1 INDICATIONS AND USAGE

Xofigo is indicated for the treatment of patients with castration-resistant prostate cancer, symptomatic bone metastases and no known visceral metastatic disease. "

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Schwah in reply to Tall_Allen

TA, don’t you often disagree when they won’t give chemo due to age? Wouldn’t he be a good chemo candidate?

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Tall_Allen in reply to Schwah

They wrote that his performance status is poor - that, not chronological age, determines whether he can survive chemo.

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Schwah in reply to Tall_Allen

Oh. It seems like there’s some ageism in giving or not giving chemo. As you point out it can be a very good for pain if nothing else. Perhaps it might be worth the risk since they are telling him there are no other options.

Schwah

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Age and generation condition are always a factor . ✌️

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yes age thanks to zeke Emmanuel dems are not your saviors. obv not with what cuomo di din N> when my dad was 89 and having intentional issues I asked a bout scans nad things and theys aid outright- w medicare at that age they do not do that. funny zeke won't take one for the team but he wants all others to

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At that age they don’t do that? That’s hard to here . I am sorry .

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Magnus1964

Have you considered Provenge?

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Willy9173 in reply to Magnus1964

Unfortunately not available in this province for prostate as of yet

Is it possible to perform a ctDNA? Maybe there are mutations that can be addressed?

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thank you a DNA test was done earlier without positive results for any treatment

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cancervictim in reply to Willy9173

I'm from Canada. I think you had a germline test for inherited mutations. A circulating tumor cell blood test also looks for cells that have developed mutations. It's not offered anywhere in Canada as far as I know. We recently paid $2200 for the test.

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tallguy2

If all standard of care options are exhausted then are you close enough to a Canadian research hospitals to explore clinical trials?

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Willy9173 in reply to tallguy2

Thank you yes I have seen several in Canada and will apply to them we'll see what happens

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Nous

hi Willy9173 ... sorry to learn of your challenge ... . best wishes and hugs ... Nous :)

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Willy9173

vert difficult under our system we do not have many choices and cannot push too hard the government controls most cancer drugs and doctors present patient symtoms to have the treatments agreed to by goverment dept. Only plus no cost

Hey Willy! I share your name but my middle initial is different .. Youve had some years at this . I Don’t have any med advice . But I wish you well .. I got this at 53 and that as a bitch but I’d assume at 86 this ain’t no fun either . I wish you well Sir . 🌵👍

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gloriahale

nutritional supplements is all I can sa. but have no idea if it can help. high dose vit C_ any idea with IV? if it can help

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