A few studies have linked decreased vagus nerve activity to obesity678. This makes intuitive sense given that the vagus nerve regulates insulin secretion and glucose homeostasis.
The vagus nerve normally stimulates parietal cells in the stomach to secrete acid and intrinsic factor. Intrinsic factor is needed to absorb vitamin B12. Vagotomy reduces intrinsic factor secretion, which impairs vitamin B12 absorption. Vitamin B12 deficiency - if untreated - results in nerve damage, dementia, and death.
This state of chronic inflammations underpins a wide range of disease states, including sepsis, rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory bowel disease, multiple sclerosis, and possibly even Alzheimer's disease.
The inflammatory reflex is a mechanism under the control of the vagus nerve.
Another wonderful site that you shared with us and interesting research on the Vagus nerve - thank you so much.
I have terrible tinnitus - as does much of my family on my father’s - side which is also the side of the family that have epilepsy. Very very interesting.
I am taking the B12 supplements the methyl combo (methyl B 12 and methyl folate combination) - this after a genetic test that shows I have a weakness in this area. The functional doctor that I see in Oklahoma ordered the genetic test and prescribed the methyl B 12 afterwards.
We are living on the cusp of many medical frontiers - I just know it! Unfortunately I don’t think I will live long enough to see it put into every day medical practice. Oh well I have good friends like you and health unlocked - we’ll get through this and manage to live a semblance of healthy normalcy - that is no small thing and I’m so appreciative.
I have heard that methyl B12 an cause some problems in some people.
There is a cream called maxasorb which you rub behind the ears as B12 sold in the US online. There are other toxic substanes in some B12 injections which you should check with your doctor.
I read with interest your treatment with vitamin B12. Have you been diagnosed with pernicious anaemia as these signs and symptoms are common with this illness?
Other vitamins in the B group such as folic acid or folates in green leafy vegetables
and B6 are synergetic with B12. If you have not had the correct diagnosis
you may not be having the right treatment.
There are certain fillers which are put in injections of B12 which might affect the good being done by the B12. including Methyl. Ketogenic diet is recommended for epilepsy which prevents too many ketones giving rise to epilepsy. John Hopkins University was one of the first hospitals to endorse the ketogenic diet, with many children and adults
stopping drugs for epilepsy and following the diet.
I wonder if this vagous nerve is dependant on Vitamin D to function properly as a lot of the problems its poor function seems to cause are also caused by low Vit D
Thanks very informative ....just wanted to share with u guys few days back when I posted here abt my stomach gastritis and reflux issue. One of the member of forum anitamp great person she sent me a private message abt vagus nerve and a useful therapy a very easy one which she has been taught by her doctor she told me to try that its helping me and now today Heloise has shared the complete information abt Vegas nerve .....a big thanks to both of u ....I'm sure anitamp will come here and she will share that therapy with u guys as well I have tried to copy her message to me here but don't know how to do it ...
Anitamp pls when u read this post ....can u share it with all the members ....lots of hugs ....samy
Thanks, cwill. I've watched many of these videos and see there is so much more to this nerve. The social aspect is that the nerve senses things you are not consciously aware of.
Also I now understand why a doctor was always recommending skilled relaxation to release muscle tension which is very destructive. The vagus nerve is involved. Stephen Porges seems to be an authority so I intend to check out more about the PolyVagal Theory.
Interesting isn't it? I did a GABA/tryptophan trial as I didn't feel anxious or worried but it was worth the test. And this an issue that simply had my inhaler for asthma changed with no examination or further discusssion. Good stuff.
Thank you for the article great information. I’ve had swallowing problems for about 5 years now and after reading the article it says that is connected to vagus nerve dysfunction. I’ve done a little research and my ferritin has been around 8 for a decade now and I’ve read that can damage the vagus nerve. I think many things can. It’s always good to get another piece of the puzzle regarding my health issues, thanks again
I'm here listening to another lesson about the nerve, such an intriguing organ, and now we find that brain inflammation can go along with Hashimoto's which means that nerve can suffer some damage as well since it is a cranial nerve. I'm sure we will be learning more about it and really need to. Glad you got something from the article.
Hi Heloise - do you think that obesity 678 could be linked to diabetes? What B12 injections or source do you recommend from the US. I have had tinnitus which normally comes on with inner ear problems with colds. Do you think increased vitamin B12 would help this?
Head exercises help me with tinnitus, recommended by ENT surgeon. I take B12 drops from global healing (bioactive). My half moons on one hand were absent, 7 months later they are appearing slowly. I take marmite, but don't think this contains B12. Hope your back
Sorry to jump in- by my brother had tinnitus for 3 years and was about to go for surgery. His ENT recommended magensium oxide as it had helped some others.
He tried- and within 3 days his tinnitus had stopped. His friends wife did the same and it stopped for her too.
I love magensium for various reasons but it might be worth a try for youX
I found b12 injections helped with my pulsatile tinnitus
Thank you so much for the information. I will certainly try magnesium. I have not seen magnesium oxide on health sites - is it different form of magnesium? My B12 was tested
recently and is ok. I have had inner ear vestibular problems with the tinnitus but have found drops have been helpful for inflammation. I have tried tapping on the occipital ridge and it may have helped. Tinnitus varies at time of day. Better than a few days ago.
Ahh I see. Yes I guess it depends on the cause but worth risking out magnesium.
There are diff forms of magensium- some are better absorbed or have different effects on digestion etc
Usually I would recommend magensium citrate for general health and other issues. I’m not sure if it has to be specifically the oxide version but that’s the version he and his friend used. Most general: supermarket magensium supplements are oxide. Should be on the label
Hi ggg, I think any deficiency has to be looked at from the gastric system. Minerals like B12 come from animal protein, milk and eggs so if you eat those and yet are deficient that is a clue . Of course we count on our food containing nutrients to begin with. I am taking different enzymes, digestive and proteolytic, plus at other meals Betaine HCL and apple cider vinegar. I'm not keen on probiotics after seeing all the controversy even lactobacillus may not be useful for some. It really is all coming down to nutrition so that the organs can do their work including our hormone glands. Oddly the vagus nerve is not connected to either the thyroid or adrenal gland but it is related to stomach acid.
In the meantime I see why we need to supplement but if the stomach may not be able to break those down...HypoMom says even bioidenticals are still synthetic and may not be reliable. B12 and folate have a synergistic relationship but you are doing something right to make the progress you've made.
Obesity has many pathways. It all may end up to be how efficiently calories are burned but many other processes are at work before that. The vagus is involved in that as well. Insulin resistance is implied with obesity and this can effect the brain as well.
Stephen Porges knows a lot about the vagus nerve and I'm listening to one of his podcasts right now and see much more is known so I'll find out.
Just read and listened to Dr Berg's video for tinnitus. Having tried the technique it was uncomfortable to tap with both hands on the occipital ridge, so just used one hand at time
using index finger on each side to tap. There was a slight decrease in the ringing but changes in my case with swallowing. Have just seen a list of symptoms of hypo thyroid from thyroid unlocked info and realise that I might be hypothyroid and with multi allergies this has confused my nervous system. I went to the practise locally and did a test which surprised me.
I stood with my legs slightly apart, put both arms out ahead and was told to shut my eyes.
Lo I lost my balance- with a diagnosis of vestibular problems and inflammation.
Have started some special drops down the nose and into the nasopharynx, it has helped a bit but am also using my infra red nasal device which can help shrink inflammation.
My granddaughter who is being checked for fainting and black out and vertigo going both deaf and blind for a minute or so, failed her balance test - so am hoping that the fainting might be do with vestibular migraine. I have had to stop eating fats and cheese as with dairy allergy think both histamine and cholesterol are too high.
Still using coconut and some olive oil with the cider vinegar. Does tapping the occipital ridge help other conditions of the 8th cranial nerve other than tinnitus? Be glad of any info.
Grand daughter was sent away being told it was a virus but since then has had some blood tests which might show something. She is also having sight tests. Hopefully she will have allergy tests soon. Hope you have had feedback on this video which is very interesting will let you know if the symptoms improve with the technique. Other B12 tests are fine so I can rule that out.
I'm not sure what the tapping actually does. Dr. Berg didn't seem to know either. Perhaps it helps to drain the cranial fluid. Have you ever had sacral/cranial therapy as that seem to get the fluid moving as well. I've read when you have dripage from only one nostril it indicates fluid leaking from the brain. I would think things like that might reduce inflammation of the brain.
Which fats are you excluding.....oils?
There is something called syncope that has to do with fainting also related to the vagus nerve. I do think these are all brain issues but neurologists don't seem to "find" anything. We do know it is essential that your brain receive DHA. Is it ok to supplement?
I do hope they figure out what is going on with your granddaughter.
I've heard that as well. Recently I read that sneezing for long periods of time is an adrenal issue. I guess the body has it's methods but it would nice to know how this is all connected.
Do you think the sneezing is connected to bio rhythms? I note our cat starts to sneeze at a certain time and so do I. Have realised that it can be helped by medication for hay fever and - tree weed and grass pollen. Have started to drink soya milk instead of lactose free milk. As you say there are so many factors with tinnitus.
I don't know enough about biorhythms. I did want to find the nerve that causes sneezing and found this. " A sneeze is usually triggered by an irritation in the nose, which is sensed by the trigeminal nerve, a cranial nerve responsible for facial sensation and motor control. This nerve is in close proximity to the optic nerve, which senses, for example, a sudden flood of light entering the retina.Jan 10, 2008"
I've seen this more in people with light colored eyes. Does something else occur at the same time when your cat sneezes? That sounds cute. Maybe he's a copycat.
I think our nerves are affected by our thyroid problems which cause a nervous system issue. As far as that trigeminal nerve I sometimes have a pain around my jaw. In fact strange pains here and there, off and on are quite common.
Do you think soy is a good idea? Maybe some have decided it's not as harmful as first thought. Have you tried coconut milk or almond milk?
My tinnitus has improved. I've been doing a lot of detoxing and that may have removed inflammation. Brain inflammation has been raised in every single summit I've watched lately. It's known if you have inflammation anywhere, you will have inflammation in your brain.
That is scary to think how the brain is inflamed. The link with the light eyes is interesting as I have grey green eyes. Puss has green eyes but her immune system is stronger than it was, -she just sneezed..but the weather is damp. If she stays out in the rain, have to take her inside. I think it is her thyroid. She was treated with vitamin d, so putting some butter in her food, might help. Is this thyroid site for cats as well as humans? The information on how a sneeze is created is interesting. I was reading an article on biorhythms which describes the neuroendocrine system being helped with melatonin. Swelling and inflammation might well be linked to humidity, and geomagnetic differences, and this might explain some of symptoms, I think biorhythms are individual, when the immune system is weak. That happens about 11.30 in the evening, probably an indicator to need sleep. interesting article changes in melatonin biorhythms and immune neuroendocrine interactions in oncological patients of different ages explaining the link with the thymus gland by Crimson publishers. Your thoughts would be appreciated,
Your case is interesting. Have you kept track of your sneezing habits. You might have to be a "study" subject. There are so many causes. How about dust mites? I wear glasses so does that offer a protection from air pollutants? But if the timing is always similar there may be a way to identify your cause. How often does it happen.
Many doctors have recommended a small melatonin dose (1 to 3 mgs.) and feel it is very beneficial.
Well, Kittenwhiskers and I think so, haha, but it's not really a cat forum.
I can track the sneezing to pollen dust and substances in environmental such as bleach or ammonia scents in fragrances and spray cans. I can also track it to biorhythms seasonal and daily. So many different triggers but with some skin cancers such as melanoma it is linked to fair skin and to pale eyes. The sun can create tumours behind the eye and elsewhere. The surprise is that there are other indicators for melanoma concerning diet.
Tyrosine is present in many foods and too high levels can affect the melanin in the skin. Higher rates of vitamin d deficiency and low zinc may also be indicators. So much information which has been discarded , Rhe black moles, or many moles may be due to hormones un women as well as the sun. The tyrosine is one protein which is found in meat cheese and other foods such as bananas. Since realising this have tried to cut down on tyrosine foods such as meat and cheese. The other astonishing thing about melanoma that many moles start in areas with no sunlight. This challenges the assumptions of sunlight being the only cause of melanoma.
Sunlight also can create cataracts and as I have the good fortune to have these as well.. I now realise I should have worn sunglasses even in ordinary daylight. Ultraviolet rays including a band c can damage the eyes. The melatonin supplements can help sleep. Magnesium can help mental health sufferers even if they are low normal with tests especiaily if they are on drugs which can damage vitamin and mineral levels. I dont know about melatonin supplements but have heard they can help health and biorhythms. Thank you for information. So you think acupressure over the thymus gland will help biorhythms and neuro endocrine problems? Sorry about the ramble.
lWhat is cranial therapy. I have been on antihistamine treatment for chronic rhinitis for years.
Although I think dairy was mentioned as affecting sinuses I never realised I had an additional mucus producing cow milk allergy. I do head exercises with a crunchy crystalline clicking when I turn my head - there was a video on u tube explaining that the tips of the hairs in the inner ear get gummed up and head exercises loosen the hairs and can reduce the sensation of swelling in the inner ear. I can feel the mucous fluid trapped in the ear.
As I tried the tapping on the occipital ridge sitting I found my upper shoulder neck was a bit sore. I also had a manipulation from a keen student who had been a masseuse for years and I saw stars and felt peculiar for months afterwards - that was thirty years ago so I am wary of manipulations. I looked at the list of thyroid symptoms on the Thyroid unlocked site
and found I have many boxes to tick including the one with post nasal drip.
I am cutting out hard cheese cheddar, which is meant to be lactin free but has high fat.
I still eat avocados which might be a fatty vegetable - I am drinking a bit of lactase free milk
instead of ordinary milk and skyr Icelandic yoghurt which has the lactase sugar removed during processing. I was eating at least 30z of cheese a day with oatmeal biscuits which had vegetable fat in them - I was addicted to them and I gained weight speedily I was also eating double cream and butter. My talking scales are sending me good news in English that I have dropped 3 pounds since stopping these greedy indulgences. I do hope they figure out what is wrong with my granddaughter-
migraine runs in our family and her mums family but it could be due to lugging a heavy bag packed with school books affecting the bones in the neck. I think she might have some allergies and a possibility of a thyroid disorder - may be it is gluten or wheat - dairy?
As there are so many different types of migraine including retinal and vestibular and hormonal as she might have periods soon - it is difficult to know what it can be.-
As she had the first signs after being made to run 800 metres without fitness training - she had a near collapse from over exercise and the second time the giddiness loss of balance came on suddenly her fingers becoming numb and going deaf and then a black out.
I think cold water splashed over her face or a wet wipe on the back of the neck might stimulate the vagal nerve to help. I find if my eyes go itchy they settle down with a splash of cold water several minutes later. I find going out for a walk along the shore helps - may be it is because we have a lot of pollen at this time of year. I had a sinus drain twenty years ago which was a miracle but was told it was not advised when the condition re appeared in 2012.
It did improve with the drops antibiotics and head exercises. It normally comes on with a cold - so what's new about that! Have been looking at a website on protozeic enzymes which seem to lessen when you get older with eating certain foods which retard them.
I am looking at pine apple and high doses of vitamin c which may help the enzyme production. I am trying to remove lectins and leptins - which help retard the enzymes.
Having so many allergies including certain weeds I am wary of trying supplements from rare plants which I have never tried. Papain is recommended but do not know what this is.
Thanks for your clear concise approach - it's always helpful.
I would love to see if the Serrapeptase would have the same effect on you as it did my husband. I do not believe you have anything to fear, gg. I also think you may not tolerate milk due to lack of enzymes. Have we mentioned kefir as goat milk is sometimes better digested but many think milk is merely for baby calves. In fact the nutritionists said the by the time it is used to digest the protein you really don't get much calcium as is often suggested. The casein is the part that produces the mucous.
I wonder if you can still get papaya enzymes (papain) almost like a candy to chew after meals. I think many digestive enzymes contain fruit enzymes like bromelain from pineapple.
"Bromelain. Pineapple also has a digestive enzyme called bromelain, which is a mixture of proteolytic enzymes. These enzymes work together to help your digestive system break down and absorb proteins from the foods you eat.Aug 14, 2017"
"Papain is a protein-digesting enzyme obtained from unripe papaya fruit, used to tenderize meat and as a food supplement to aid digestion."
Some claim these enzymes only help to digest the fruit containing them but I think there is more to it.
Have you considered using nut milks like almond or coconut to replace dairy? You could consider using a neti-pot also.
Cranial/sacral therapy which I had done because the therapist decided to try it on me was interesting. Your head is more or less off the edge of the table while laying on your back as she gently manipulates the head. It really felt like cerebral fluid was running down my spine.
Lectins are interesting and the flatulence that follows may be an indicator. I used to take a supplement that attached to carbs to deflect the effect and it was made of white beans.
Still, finding the root cause would be even better. Unfortunately trial and error seems to be the most practical solution until the health professionals can research the causes.
Do you recommend the Palmer technique with atlas sub laxed ? Chiropractic experts only!
That's so interesting - I will have to check the casein in my test - apparently coconut milk and almond milk are higher in sugar than lactase free milk, - I find the lactase free milk tastes more like cows milk but I don't know if sugar is added as it tastes quite sweet.
That is typical of some industries they remove lactase and then add sugar to make it taste sweeter! We don't have goats milk but have goat and sheep cheese but it contains lactase.
I like pineapple but it can be a bit sharp - will definitely give papain a go if I can find it.
I like the windy bean treatment - are the beans small or are they like butter beans? I love butter beans in cans but they have to be soaked. I have just started to soak my dried apricots - after 24 hours they look like whole fruit! That was such a surprise. They tasted quite nice without the preservative which was left in the water. I've just been reading the wonders of peanut butter which contains only 7grams of cane sugar per 100 grams - a small teaspoon would be a treat on an oat biscuit. I have been tapping the back of my neck
with gentler taps over the area and the tinnitus has reduced in both ears. I speak too soon my right ear has just started up but have turned my head to the left and back and it is clear!
That's an amazing manipulation for cranial nerve. Lectins and leptins are to be avoided -
but there is so much information on different substances it is hard to remember them all.
I'm going to read some information on Nostadamus herbalism for cancer - there's an article on a health website which looks interesting. A cure for certain conditions mentioned in one article is hyluoronic acid spelling wrong but if you have cancer it can spread if taken internally. The serrapatese sounds interesting but again certain research says it has to be taken in capsules with an enteric coating so it is delivered directly to the stomach. I can't swallow capsules and the information indicates it is not effective unless it is digested in the stomach. Who is to say who is right ? Read another article about serrapatese with someone
who had an abnormal reaction - it started to eat into tissue indiscriminately and damaged his leg. Since trying to locate negative press the criticisms of the product have mysteriously disappeared - the power of sales and investment! I think these websites are linked to media investment companies and block info! Perhaps serapatese might eat some bottom tissue ha!
Goodness, I am laughing abut the bottom tissue. I'd put mine somewhere else but I doubt it will work. I will have to check out any negatives regarding serrapeptase. Izabella Wentz had this article in her newsletter today about systemic enzymes. I notice that Wobenzyme is a tablet a little larger than an aspirin and this is what she says.
Systemic Enzymes
Systemic enzymes help to normalize TSH and reduce or eliminate antibodies. They work by helping to break down circulating immune complexes, which can trigger autoimmune disease. Basically, an immune complex is where an antibody and antigen combine forces to damage our immunity. Breaking these immune complexes apart is very important in getting into remission because when they can’t attack the immune system, our bodies are given a chance to heal.
One study found that when people took five capsules of systemic enzymes three times a day, they were able to improve the appearance of their thyroid on an ultrasound, normalize their TSH, and lower their thyroid antibodies. Participants in this study also reported improved symptoms.
In another study, 40 people with Hashimoto’s who were on levothyroxine were given systemic enzymes for 3-6 months. Participants saw a reduction of thyroid symptoms and antibodies, as well as a normalization of their thyroid ultrasound. Many patients were able to reduce their dose of levothyroxine or even discontinue their medications!
Systemic enzymes are best taken on an empty stomach, at least 45 minutes before a meal or 1 ½ hours after a meal. If you take them with food, they will be used for the digestion process instead of getting into the bloodstream to work against the immune complexes. I like Wobenzym PS by Douglas Laboratories. Read more about systemic enzymes.
The article is extremely interesting. Think enzymes are the key to healthy digestion. Not sure where some supplements can be found in uk as imports from the US are heavily taxed here.
Will start with papain and pineapple - most fruits have enzymes which can help digestion but not much information here to the ones that help repair thyroid damage and stop antibodies.
From Dr Isabella Wentz's article it seems possible to reverse Hashis - it is such a shame that there are so many possible remedies which are not approved or studied. Have taken some magnesium carbonate today for tinnitus - some people report it clears up in a few days and helps them - Mine has been ok but has come on this evening. Balance has been rocky with swollen eardrums. Think it's a cold which always goes to the weakest spot ears and sinus.
Can you get a copy of your hubby's lowered ENT congestion in a digital photo format for me to see the before and after? Ha! Just joking. Have tried the coconut milk - it's really nice. Hope sugar levels won't go up.
I don't think I'd recommend this but my friend just takes extra insulin when he decides to have pie and ice cream. But when his sugar drops it often goes too low and then it's a roller coaster. On the golf course probably due to the exercise his levels go down to 40 or 50 and he'll have his orange juice or candy bar with him and then when we have dinner afterward he can be close to 400. He has a mild heart attack ten years ago and he's 84 years of age now and the only real detriment has been his eyesight but he can still drive. Even that, he had one cataract removed a couple of years ago. He's been very active physically which I guess is the key although one expert in hormones says this is the wrong treatment for diabetes and no one should take insulin. I'm not sure why but wonder if it matters whether sugar is over 140 which is where they say the damage starts or whether being at 500 is any different. Dr. Stoll was a severe diabetic but never really discussed his own treatment unfortunately. He did have heart damage and died of that. He may have become insulin resistant or something because he did look rather large.
I just saw a little baby on tv that had a liver transplant and you could hardly see a scar. That's what enzymes can do and you have plenty as a child. They know they are diminished when you become adult so supplementing could be a good idea. I suppose as in human growth hormone, it could be a bad idea. I guess it's up to the individual but what else can we do? Wealthy people go to Switzerland and get shots but you never hear of follow-up or statistics that I know of to determine the value or harm.
I hope you are going to quit dairy entirely for a while. You may notice a difference in as little as three days. Even butter can be a problem. Magnesium is also something Dr. Stoll said everyone needs additional magnesium but he said glycinate or orotate but NOT aspartate. He felt oxide was the least absorbing type but I found it helpful when I took it with calcium for restless legs but maybe it was the calcium.
I could show you the empty boxes of kleenex my husband went through. He still uses handkerchiefs which drives me crazy but he had to resort to tissue when he ran out. It was a real phenomenon.
I have removed dairy from my diet - this has cut down the mucous levels. However with high pollen, symptoms of swollen ears and tinnitus did worsen. I have been eating small amounts of hard cheese, which has very low levels of lactin /lactose from processing but had a rhinitis reaction to skyra which is lactase free, but may have whey in it which might be part of the allergy. Also completed blepharitis treatment with the crusts of mite debris being removed by an electronic pen which was painless. I had seven eyelashes removed because the mites had damaged the way they had grown - it was a horror story looking at black empty craters in my eye which were cataracts - and to think I had these little mites eating away into my eyelids! Thanks to your encouragement am hoping to have the cataracts done. Hubby is due for a check up for glaucoma - with the possibility of not being able to drive if it goes too far, it was the first time I have managed to persuade him to have a check in 4 years! That's men for you!
Are you saying those eyelashes will not grow back? Who would think! I still recommend using castor oil to lubricate your lids. They even use castor oil packs over the liver to draw out toxins. Get the pharmaceutical type.
You may have to avoid casein, too, which may be in other things you are eating. i.e.
low-fat milk.
yogurt. kefir. cheese. ice cream.
Whey and casein are dairy proteins found in milk – casein is the “curds” in “curds and whey” (think: cottage cheese). Whey is considered a “fast” protein, because it is rapidly digested in as little as an hour, whereas casein is a “slow” protein that is digested over several hours.Apr 17, 2013
More and more, the nasal passage turns out to be a very important ingredient to our health. Lately the amalgams in your mouth can end up allowing mercury to enter the brain, they also find remnants of bacteria from gum infections. You really want to keep your nose healthy. I know it's hard.
I don't have a casein allergy but what the allergen in cow's milk is was not mentioned. It is trial and error. Since going back on the cheese have had a guilt complex - it is so delicious-I can eat half a pound of cheese easily - but my cholesterol rose in May - so went for test and it came back as normal with cutting out cheddar cheese. Have read some natural remedies for removing plaque and fat from the arteries from Dr Miccozzi - ie a small amount of alcohol can help wash the
fat and plaque away - that's ok if you are not diabetic or thyroid - but can lead to drinking too much. There is another substance which can break up the plaque - perhaps you can refresh my memory? Thanks.
Hi Heloise - have been re reading this post concerning diabetes and notes on magnesium.
Tried a magnesium tablet, with calcium carbonate - it helped restless legs within 20 minutes! Do you recommend magnesium for muscle problems, or do you believe it is more thyroid linked? Gee - this is a great site!
I should have added that in the old days if a person had a heart attack the first thing in the Emergency Room was intravenous magnesium. Funny that doctors don't check for that in their patients....or is it?
My you are a mine of info - never heard of doctors making checks like that -huh? Most will tell you it is a virus - not convinced some just look at your age and send you away with baloney! I had trouble with dizziness over two months ago, when up north. It was accompanied by severe tinnitus, and sore ears. I took a water test, and was luckily given some strong medication for UTI. After months of problems with balance, the medication worked even reducing tinnitus. Have remained better, but went for eyesight test with another optician and he gave me a good overhaul explaining I had twisted vessels behind my eyes, which was a sign of high BP. He then did an examination using a machine, to tell me I had blepharitis, and the treatment I had used
from NHS, was useless. Am having Blephlex treatment which removes the film of blepharitis from the eyes. I have to have my cataracts done, as was getting panic attacks with blurred vision in artificial daylight, with overhead lighting. My husband did not realise the problem until I told him, his face was a blur, and I could only recognise his ears, as all the other males had bald heads and were wearing the same colour tops and trousers. Do you know anyone who has had cataracts removed and how is it done in your region? A bit anxious about having cataracts done!
Don't be anxious, it only takes a few minutes and you do not need to be unconscious just use numbing drops. We hypos do not detox well and allows this film to develop. I haven't read anything that can help the situation and I'm sure if there is, they keep it quiet as they would rather do surgery. Blepharitis plugs up the eyelash roots which keep the eye lubricated. Actually a bit of castor oil will help with this as well as warm compresses as often as you like.
The blepharitis treatment is ultrasonic I think with a special machine. I read an article about blepharitis giving causes - was surpised itcan be caused by mites, infection, and allergies. The cataract surgery differs from specialist to specialist so not sure what treatment will be available in our area.
Hi hawii, what makes the site so great is the collective wisdom from patients and what has worked for them. Doctors don't put stock in that but unfortunately they don't put much stock in research either. Magnesium is one of those minerals that is hard to absorb and that's why it is used often for constipation.....it tends to go through the digestive system without breaking down. Oxide is probably not the best form but it worked for me and maybe it's because we are so very deficient. Glycinate is better but whatever works.
The adrenals use a lot of magnesium, I should say need a lot of magnesium and that may be another reason so many improve by using it. I've read that iron deficiency may be a reason behind restless legs. I finally got over that but then had burning thigh pain. I went through a lot before getting here.
B12 and other minerals need stomach acid to break down and that's another thing that may go wrong so taking HCL betaine is good to take with meals.
I hope you are on the road to recovery.
Your insights make interesting reading. Do you think calcium channel blockers could declog arteries, in a natural form, and if they can be found in food would you recommend them? Am much better than a year ago. Have been swimming during the summer. too busy with family not to make the most of every day. Watched the Longevity series you recommended. The folk in rural areas seem to have a leisurely pace of life - cutting out all those I phones tablets, wif fi - phones TV - don't think the younger generation could cope without all these electronics and gismos.
I think the model is all wrong about arteries, cholesterol and heart disease. I think enzymes are effective and staying away from certain omega 6, vegetable oils. I posted this a while ago and have tried several types of enzymes myself since then. Serrapeptase is s very popular type. I can tell you more about it if you find it interesting. healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...
I have referred to an article at enzymetherapies.com which warns of of serrapetase as a panacea in all ills. It is used in some hospitals at later stages of cancer therapy, and not at the beginning of chemotherapy. Recommendations from this website use serrspeptase in combination with other enzymes such as bromelaine and papain. My personal problem
concerns the effects of certain enzymes, in individuals who might experience CIC
problems. In my quest to find out other factors which might affect melanoma, in addition to sun, my instinctive reaction is question the food I have been eating without knowledge which have slowly damaged my immune system, and the information you have supplied
from Ray Peat's article concerning unsaturated fats and John Barrons research on enzymes have now helped my trial and error change in my diet to prevent infections fungal
and cancer.
Whilst not challenging scientific evidence of the mainstream, I think both types of medicine can be used together. Now I can see the harm of unsaturated fats. I have been eating oat bisucuits which are made with vegetable oil. Now I am starting to make my own biscuit flat bread with butter oats oilive oil, sea salt, and lactin low cheddar cheese.
I use olive oil and coconut oi, and use pineapple cider vinegar, but have read acetic acid found in vinegar can help with chlorine in water to help cancer cells decrease.
Jon Barron's research is brilliant, as is Ray Peat's but I have idiosyncracies - herbs and some standard supplements, have an affect on my nervous system - some weeds and environmental products in capsules have allergens which could be deleterious.
Did you know that in surgery of lymph nodes a blue dye is injected to locate the pathways
in the lymph system? This is banned in the USA but is still used in the UK - even though fatalities from this blue dye have occurred in the US.
On a recent check up for melanoma some research indicates that lymph node boipsy and destruction might not greatly affect the progress of cancer.
I was told if I had this done I would qualify for immunotherapy drugs as taking part of a research trial. I declined as diabetes, and high possibility of open surgery post infection and
allergy to blue dye, I remain a wary sceptic. However the information re the food given to animals in the form of unsaturated fats which passes into food has opened the gateway as to how the immune system can be compromised, with additional chemicals and toxins from
weed killers. We are what we eat - and if we eat pigs and meat treated with chemicals that shows me the vital missing link. I now am not going use vegetable oils for frying.
I'm going to use extra virgin olive oil - and coconut oil added to stews and salads.
Give avocado a try. It's wonderful for cooking and lovely on salads with your cider vinegar. I think if you keep researching you will find your path to healing but keep in mind some research being done by drug companies or funded by them may not have the correct interpretation. PubMed is helpful.
Am in a spin over cooking with extra virgin olive oil as a doctor says it increases free radicals and can be a cancer agent. He recommends using lower grade olive oil,
I had some fried potatoes in virgin olive oil - it was so satisfying - little did I think free radicals were going to spoil my gluttony!
I think I would question that. Do you know how many countries live on olive oil. My mother had a 5 gallon tin, that's how much we used. It probably is better to use it without heating but I hardly think anyone had cancer from that when margarine and transfats are used so heavily. Neither of my parents had any form of cancer. Avocado and coconut can be heated without getting to the smoke point.
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Am still having extra virgin oil about a teaspoon a day but have given up frying in olive oil due to similar information on cooking with vegetable oils where it is said when you apply heat to the oil it somehow encourages carcinogens. I've been looking for olive oil spread but it is hard to find one which is not mixed with vegetable oil or sunflower oil, Presumably my crisp intake should be stopped as the fat temperatures of sunflower oil are very high when cooking. Tried to send you a pm message asking you about serrapeptase as a blood thinner as there is not much research written about that particular subject. Am trying hard but could do better with my home work. I had a pot of extra thick cream, it was delicious -
with no side effects - but I felt so guilty will have to go back to the lower saturated fat diet. Could you reply to this forum and to chat to see if message box is working.
We don't have avocado butter here - living dangerously with fats is a food addiction
but though information tends to concentrate on low fat diets, I feel better with some fat in the diet. I did find that I had a possible gall bladder problem years ago and indulging over several weeks with high cheese and cream puts up my cholesterol. I also I get a build of mucus in my throat as dairy is a diet intolerance.
I love fats but they don't like me. Do you make guacamole as this is delicious .
It is a filling food? Shopping is dull for me as - no multigrain, milk, dairy, eggs
or banana in so many foods - every colourful row of choc biscuits cakes, snacks
in the aisles is avoided. I go to the fruit and veg, meat fish, some hard cheese and give my hubby black looks as he packs secret choc bars and buns under some leeks!
This is a different perspective to the main stream - Any info you have would be great.
Have to say am in a muddle over saturated fat and unsaturated fat - and over sunflower oil which I thought would be beneficial - now flaxseed oil is recommended but is this high in omega 6? I've read interesting data about Serrapeptase, some saying it can help blood flow, but others saying that if they have an allergy, it can damage tissue.
As it should be taken within an enteric coated capsule so it is released into the stomach rather than straight into the bloodstream, I would have a problem as I cannot swallow capsules and would have to break them open, so the enzyme would go straight down the mouth and throat. I believe cider vinegar, and pineapple, create the necessary enzymes and are safe - There is so much info it is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff!
I have lost a lot of info due to a good old clear out of message box. Look forward to any info.
Ray Peat is a well known authority and rather technical but look at what he says about unsaturated fats. Are you getting the idea that mainstream medicine is ignoring scientific fact. raypeat.com/articles/articl...
I do believe unfiltered vinegar is also great. It blocks starch and kills some bacteria. I don't use it every day but often.
Digestive enzymes also become proteolytic enzymes as they recycle. I don't think there is any other way to take them except by mouth. That is a shame. We naturally produce enzymes from the pancreas and certain foods come with their own enzyme but it aids in their own digestibility. Serrapeptase goes after inflammation and mucous and also scar tissue.
As we age we do not make as many enzymes. This is why we don't heal as quickly as children. Inflammation is at the basis of all disease they say. For joint pain, Wobenzyme is recommended. It was developed in the 1900's in Germany. Now some new age doctors have also made formulas that contain many. I may try Jon Barron's as I have read his articles over the years and trust his knowledge.
Agreed. John Barron is ace. Do you have any research on acetic acid in cider vinegar mixed with tap water with mild chlorine in it as a method of stopping cancer cells growth?
Well I've often heard of using hydrogen peroxide for cancer treatments. I think it's outlawed in the U.S., probably because it works Especially if as it is widely considered that cancer is a fungus and we often use clorox on molds in our home.
ha! loved the line "probably because it works.." We have plenty of chlorine based cleaners too but I prefer bic carbonate of soda or vinegar or lemon which are antiseptic
- I steam clean - but that's no good for mould. I use the chorine on walls if there is damp mould it wipes off in seconds but look out for non poison marked products.
I am still trying to persuade my daughter to keep highly coloured washing plastic
dish washer shapes away from the kids- it's a shame that many cool clever kids do daft things like swallowing things, for a joke - even when they are old enough to know that chemicals are dangerous. As soon as a kid learns to climb and open cupboards then the warning these adverts give out about keeping washing shapes away from kids
are nonsense. If a company is selling products they know to be highly attractive to kids as they look like flying saucer sweet,s shouldn't they ban the product if they know the chemicals are harmful? There have been fatalities in the UK from kids eating these plastic poisons - but you try and find out how many hospital admissions there are from these plastic weapons - the door is shut!
You never know what children will do. My son climbed a rocking chair to get to the counter to get to the cupboards so you can never turn your back. I think some of these people must live in large homes or for some reason the kids can be out of site. In the U.S. it's the laundry pods by Tide. I guess being colorful is one of the reasons children are drawn to them. They cannot be that tasty, can they?
I've been reading the articles on enzymes and fail to read anything bad about Serrapeptase and all the good things I already knew. Actually getting a viable enzyme to market is a very fastidious undertaking. William Wong has a lot on You Tube and he developed his own formula. One statement was that labs in the U.S. are not suitable for this. He prefers India. I think many supplements and pharmaceuticals are manufactured in India. I bought an over the counter type and just took one a day. When you are on a therapy like Dr. Wong's you may keep increasing to 15 a day or more and then finish the treatment at some point. He's interesting.
You are so right about drugs being imported for use worldwide.
Not many people realise that in the USA big companies like Pfizer
Merck have laboratories and distributor networks based in countries
all over the world including India and Thailand. Once a product gets a Euro licence
after checks, the big companies can export it as a generic under different trade names and it does not have to have a marketing licence. Drugs are coming in from
obscure places, go to France and then Ireland, and the quality control is hard to track. India has billions of dollars export profit worldwide with the US as a
major importer. Will look out for W Wong. Enzyme therapy seems to be a successful method for Dr Isabella Wentz. What is so fascinating are the herbs
such as parsley which have metabolic converters, and certain varieties which can remove metal toxins from the body. We are slowly learning the importance of Q10
and other similar substances which can be used on the skin, or taken orally.
Did you indicate that water is not chlorinated in the US as it is banned?
We have seen problems with swimming pool water with too much chlorine giving kids nose bleeds, and bleaching swim wear. There are no standard checks on a regular basis to ensure that swimming pools are not over chlorinated. Still reading your past posts - with links. Cheers H
Did you use cilantro? It is known as coriander or Chinese parsley here- This is an easy spice to find here so will try it - still have a filling with amalgum - dentists don't replace them with white ones until they are worn.
This one is not the same as Mr Wong's? The customs revenue are hard on imports, so the tax ends up as higher than the value of the product. Have seen another brand which is from the Uk without the tax. Am going to start taking magnesium again as I took one tablet about three weeks ago. Thanks for reminding me.
I am re reading this comment about laundry pods - we have the same advertising campaign about keeping the laundry pod containers away from children. One brand has an extra safe top for the mum or dad to use. If only a camera could fo
focus on a plump woman trying to unscrew an extra safe top bottle of aspirins only to wait for ten minutes still unable to turn the screw to the open sesame position -watch broken nails - hear the foul language and expletives. If people want their kids to be safe they surely won't want to buy products which can harm their kids
with implicit safety warnings? I suppose people think colourful pods lying around the kitchen are status symbols - better than letting line lie about the place - ha!
They certainly learned about the pods the hard way. Tide is so colorful. Now dishwasher pods are used as well and there will be more. Such a tragic thing to lose a child over a washer pod.
Ha Ha, we should have a contest. If I lived alone I told my husband I would have the store open every bottle of anything I bought before I left. Even the tight plastic binding is almost inprenetable. Do we really need more frustration!
Chlorella, cilantro and other seaweed seems to be able to move metal. I still have amalgams and it may not be a good idea for me. I'd love to be able to because it certainly is a detriment.
No, U.S. still not only puts chlorine in tap water but also fluoride and with bromine in some bread you have a trifecta of tyranny against the thyroid gland. Water is interesting. The toxin summits have been wonderful and I'm listening to the Alzheimer talks. Datis Kharrizian was interviewed today. If you are interested alzheimersdementiasummit.co...
About the water though, filtered water isn't as good for you as "structured" water which would be unfiltered spring water. I'm fortunate that I can collect fresh spring water anytime and try to make it my only source of water. I also have a chlorine filter in my shower head since you can inhale more chlorine from that than drinking a gallon of water.
The same here - a water distiller is the only method to clear water of fluoride and may be
chlorine. I have to filter water several times, to make the taste normal.
Spring water is great but we had a spring water source which had too much mineral in it and it burned holes through copper pipes! We had to put something in the water to stop the pipes corroding. Suppose polythene or plastic pipes would be the answer? Ha! We can only buy spring water but much of it is recycled tap water sold in supermarkets some water is recycled from industrial areas! - There are good brands of spring water, but some have sulphates in them which may be naturally occurring but I don't like. It's surprising that water seems to have changed, -I used to buy a French bottled water
but it is not he same as it was. Perhaps these industries start putting additives in.
Was it the old perrrier? I think the Fiji brand might be the other.
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Hi H - Re reading old posts concerning serrapatese - do manufacturers make a cream or ointment to help scar tissue? Very hot in your region I guess - gg -hh-ii.
A friend used a patch on her knee after replacement surgery and that scar is almost completely erased but she used it as she was healing. We tried to buy it again but couldn't remember the name for it. I don't think it works if the scar is very old. I could be wrong. Doctors use steroid injections on people who tend to have keloids.
I wondered if you were my ggg Worse than hot, it's WET. Missing lots of golf!
Yes it's your old granny g - it's been odd having to re connect with my best us mate
with a change of name - have had a busy time with family get together having fun with their cousins. We went to a beach whistling sands, where the sand makes a slight crunchy whistle noise when you walk on it - think the beach has natural silica in it with a slight crystal texture - the waves were quite high but my grandsons were obsessed with them going out when the tide was turning. They were only dragged under twice
ha! Interesting about serrapatese - have given myself an ultrasound treatment and the scars which were quite lumpy and red looking, are better - but have been plagued with cramp - too much meat leading to high uric acid perhaps! Found the magnesium tip with a glass of tonic water, helpful for cramp and a bit of banana but was muscle locked on my thigh - it's happened several times this past week, but better today.
You are so patient listening to all your followers symptoms - and have always found your links great with your own personal info as well.
Thanks, ggg. I thought it was you earlier but didn't mention it. Someone else talked about marmite? and found out it has gluten disappointingly. That's what you found as well, right?
I heard Spain is having a terrible hot spell so you must be getting somewhat the same. It's steamy here but the animals seem to be getting ready for a bad winter. Walking in sand is good unless it is too hot for bare feet. Lovely you could get together with the family. We may be heading to the Atlantic Ocean soon.
My daughter had a wonderful vacation in London and Bath. All the big spots and also two shows. Wicked and Les Mis. She brought me some teas from the Tea House. Managed a few minutes at Harrod's. She also said the food was fabulous. They went to Imperial China but a place in Bath was the best.
Are you using betaine hcl with any meals? Minerals are valuable but you need enough acid to retrieve them. I also took a calcium/magnesium capsule at bedtime which I should do again. Thigh muscle must be painful, it's so large.
Marmite is great with a tiny bit on toast and butter - but it has malt in it ie barley which is another food intolerance- The hol in Bath and London sounds very Jane Austen! We love Bath with it's original Georgian terraces and beautiful stone houses - and the shops . We used to go to Stratford on Avon to see plays - it's a great place to visit with Shakespeares home and Ann Hathaways's house -
a lot of new info suggests Shakespeare's tather was a wool merchant and did some shady deals but when Will had fame and celebrity, at the Globe he was able to clear his father's name - that's the fascinating thing about visiting such unique heritage sites.
We visited the place where the Mayflower sailed - in VA. We had friends there
but they passed on. Not sure politics has the same values as yesteryear -
we are feeling the effects of Brexit - people want the 42% remain vote to stand instead of the leave vote. If we were to observe this at past general elections
there would be re elections every time a win with a low majority took place!
What a wonderful place. I tried to fathom Shakespeare but all I did was memorize the whole of The Raven. I loved the short stories. They spent a whole day in Bath there and had the greatest meal. Do you get there at all now? There must be wonderful day trips you could take. Since I live in the east of the U.S. there are many settlements and some history. We took a boat ride on Lake George (yes your King George) which was first seen in 1646 and was called Lac Du Saint Sacrement and named Lake George 100 years later. There are some small forts which show how the people lived in those days. Quite fascinating.
Who am I to say I understand what Brexit is when the whole world is confused?
We voted to leave the European union, as when we first entered the union there were only 8 countries. Since 1997 the number of countries entering the Eu are
poorer countries which we have helped to fund to give road and schools and services but now we are no longer able to support 28 countries with large
sums. We have no controls over our production, and manufacturing as every time Euro decides we need new equipment and older machinery equipment is out of date we have to comply with these regulations. Our chocolate, foods, and goods
now have extra costs due to compliancy regulations. Think the UK government want a soft Brexit, meaning we should continue to pay vast sums to the Euro coffers until we have a deadline for exit. However the EU do not want us to leave and will not arrange an exit date which will not be 2020 but may be up to seven years onwards until the technical details of customs tariffs and freedom of movement of peoples are sorted out. People are transferring their bases to France in some cases as the import and tax revenue is so complicated.
Our PM has given an ultimatum saying that if we cannot come to a reasonable agreement it will have to be a hard Brexit with no customs and import export arrangements, and no agreement over the Irish border, which the Euro union want to claim including Northern Ireland as part of Europe. Eire as you know has been part of the EU, but Northern Ireland has always been part of the UK.
This demarcating of land and borders is not transferable and is totally unreasonable. Our government has been torn apart with eternal squabbling.
If Mr Trump thinks he has built a wall - he has nothing on the new Berlin wall that
the EU under Angela Merkel and Monsieur Macron have now built - with block voting of the other 27 countries now being able to vote over whether we should be allowed to leave when they have been subsidised liberally by the UK.
This is unfair to my mind as the two major countries pulling the strings are
wealthy countries, relying on the UK to support the other poorer countries when we have food banks and poverty in the UK. Despite this the Uk has arranged for an exhibition of the Bayeux tapestry at the cost of £39 million, to be held here - the tapestry was made in Kent by pre mediaeval ladies who depicted the battle of Hastings I think - depicting king Harold shot in the eye by an arrow..
Now must go back to subject of gluten and metabolism no I have not taken betain but have been much better since removing all those foods which were messing up my digestion. Luckily I can take cider vinegar and citric fruit juices to help my enzymes.-Would like to go back to Stratford on Avon as it in Warwickshire, but the weather has changed since we last went with winter floods snow and ice during the winter months. Did you go to New York on your visit to the Atlantic? I can't get onto
the chat - am having difficulties with admin as my new e mail address has not been tagged to my new user name.
What an interesting post with replies , tho went totally off original title into lists of other supplements: vits/ enzymes etc...spent Saturday night reading this along with links to other sites like Thyroid pharmacist. Reminded me of a question I wanted to ask re low stomach acid, that someone who has seen this thread might help with. Been hypo/ Hashimoto's for 12 plus years, tho last two Medichecks tests shown no autoimmune antibodies...3 years ago I had my gall bladder removed, following a blocked bile duct a year earlier, so should therefore be getting alkali bile into digestive system all the time rather than when stimulated by eating- so will my gut be even more low acid - should I take enzymes, such as the likes of Betaine with pepsin, with thyroid meds/ supplements that I normally take on an empty stomach 2 plus hours away from food?
Hi Judith, yes, the off topic began months later for some reason. Should have gone to Chat.
I can't answer your question but I think there is a difference between digestive enzymes and bile or we wouldn't need them both. Proteolytic enzymes work in the bloodstream and I do think they are useful as we age and especially if we do not detox well due to our condition, especially low metabolism. Izabella Wentz recommends Wobenzym but Nattokinase and serrapeptase or combinations could be used. I think it's hard to measure their effectiveness or calibrate doses but may be worth a trial. There is a lot on You Tube.
John Bergman has a lot of knowledge when it comes to bodily functions. He may have a video about gall bladder loss.
Thanks for that Heloise.... he doesn't mention bile/ gallbladder re digestion/ gut absorption but says not having gallbladder affects T4 conversion! My conversion rate was worse 12 plus years ago about 3 months after initial diagnosis for hypo/Hashi , but probably improved my supplements since then, and autoimmune antibodies been negative last two full bloods.
I do believe he mentioned how important in the digestion of fats depends on bile and the fats like vitamin A, E and D can be hindered. His supplement may contain all of those but if your conversion is still low, perhaps you should look at some support for your gall bladder. He also said that you probably do not have enough bile without your gall bladder. Ox bile is the only supplement they usually talk about but Lecithin is able to break down fats by emulsifying them.
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