The Vitamin D Scam?

[cure]

discover.grasslandbeef.com/...

......Before the vitamin D scam was fed to consumers, the deadly “D” was fed to rodents as a means of eradicating the pesky creatures. In their report, “The Endocrine System,” the University of Colorado, reminds us, “Ingestion of milligram quantities of vitamin D over periods of weeks or months can be severely toxic to humans and animals. In fact, baits laced with vitamin D are used very effectively as rodenticides [rat poison].” This is in stark contrast to naturally produced sunshine vitamins, and it isn’t hard to understand.

Once swallowed, the copycat hormone bypasses our innate protective mechanisms and throws hormonal balance out of whack. This “plugs” the body with calcium and induces calcification, which leads to heart failure, kidney damage, and more. Since it’s a “cumulative poison,” people who take the recommended dose every day as vitamin D are saturating their fatty tissues, and at the same time, offsetting their God-given hormonal intelligence. Anyone eating and drinking foods “fortified” with vitamin D are at serious risk. Nutrition guru Dr. Gary Null learned this the hard way.

[Rignold Keto]

You had me until the word 'guru'.

[cure in reply to Rignold]

well...lets us forget him...

here is one more..

health.harvard.edu/blog/vit...

The most recent opinion on the right target level of vitamin D is presented in an article titled “Vitamin D Deficiency: Is There Really a Pandemic?” published in the New England Journal of Medicine. In this piece, several of the leading epidemiologists and endocrinologists who were on the original IOM committee argue for a lowering of the currently accepted cutoff level of 20, stating that the level they estimated as acceptable was never intended to be used to define vitamin D deficiency. They feel that we are overscreening for vitamin D deficiency, and unnecessarily treating individuals who are perfectly fine.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[Hidden]

I think this raises a good point that vitamin D supplements can be toxic if taken in very large doses. Whereas vitamin D from sunshine or from food is not.

I also think that the other point that he is making is if synthetic vitamin D is so cheap to make it can be used to kill rats then it's also cheap enough for vitamin supplements.

But it's the 'vitamin D is rat poison' that sensationalise's it and what a good plug for his book.

So I think that it's good that we're aware of these things and use supplements as exactly that. And I think that cure has done us a favour by flagging this up.

[Activity2004 Administrator]

This is a very important and helpful article, cure . Thank you for posting it!

[Betha]

I take Vitamin D once a day.

[BadHare in reply to Betha]

Make sure it's not synthetic ergocalciferol, D2. I take cholecalciferol D3 every day.

[Betha in reply to BadHare]

how would I know

[BadHare in reply to Betha]

Read the label on your pill bottle. If it says D2 or ergocalciferol, it's cheap synthetic vitamin D which is not effectively absorbed by the body, & therefore useless.

Ask your GP to change your prescriptiom, if it's prescribed. If you buy your own, look for D3 & cholecalciferol on shop labels. There are sprays available as well as tablets & capsules, & vegetarian & vegan options.

The US Vitamin D Council is useful with regard to how much to take. It's a fat soluble vitamin, which the body can store for a short while, & is best absorbed if taken with oily or fatty foods.

[suramo Star in reply to Betha]

Betha

What dose?

[Betha in reply to suramo]

I checked last night it did not say any of the things you said..I believe 20 MG But I am thinking memory as I did not see that.

This morning I took probiotic, cranberry, multi and my anxiety pill.

[suramo Star in reply to Betha]

Betha

It's in internetional units. I take 60k units once a month. You can take 2000u daily of vit d3. All the fat soluble vitamins ADEK should be taken after a meal having fats. All these vit are stored in body fat for a long time and very high doses cause grave toxicity.

[Mrkk in reply to suramo]

My Homeopathy doctor told me to start taking 6000iu a day. He said you can actually do up to 10,000

[suramo Star in reply to Mrkk]

Mrkk

I think that's a very high dose.

"The new 2010 recommended daily allowance (RDA) is 600 IU for those 1-70 years of age and pregnant or breastfeeding women, and 800 IU for those over 71 years of age. An adequate blood level of vitamin D is 20 nanograms per milliliter".

[Mrkk in reply to suramo]

I don't know much about vitamin D3 all I know is my MS doctor says my levels are perfect whatever that means. My Homeopathy doctor studies this on a daily basis so I will listen to my doctor

[Mrkk in reply to suramo]

By the way you said the new 2010 that's not new

[andyswarbs]

I came across this about the author of the article, "A Critical Look at Gary Null's

Activities and Credentials" quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEd...

I am not saying this webpage is valid or not. Perhaps others might be able to comment.

[Rignold Keto]

This is a rather amusing entry about the author on Rational Wiki. Note particularly the section "I liked it so much, it nearly killed me"

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_...

[BadHare in reply to Rignold]

Woo!

[BadHare]

Lots of necessary nutrients taken in huge quanities are toxic. Does the author differentiate between vitamin D as a result of sunlight on skin, cholecalciferol, or ergocalciferol? Is there any mention of the range of diseases caused by insufficiency, including rickets, atherosclerosos, or osteoporosis? I'm a sceptic when anything mentions god given, & the title telles me the author is biased towards selling something.

[cure in reply to BadHare]

BadHare

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

From the foregoing, it is apparent that much of the reported high prevalence of vitamin D deficiency/insufficiency in healthy populations of the world is artificial, created by unjustified high cutoff values of serum 25(OH)D. Most of the individuals diagnosed as vitamin D-deficient based on these criteria lack any marker of ill health, including bone mineral deficiency. In developing countries, an assay of 25(OH)D is presently available only to a small number of high-income people who get it done on the recommendation of the physicians or on routine screening. The use of high cutoff values of the normal range by the laboratories creates unnecessary panic leading to potentially irrational intervention in the form of high-dose supplementation with medicinal vitamin D, often posing a risk of toxicity.

Hope this helps....

[BadHare in reply to cure]

I've been screened, & my D level was extremely low. I take D3 within the gudelines of both endocrinologist & Vitamin D Council advice. When last tested it was low enough to increase supplements.

[cure in reply to BadHare]

Great... that is really wonderful...

the other article just say Vit D should be supplemented after assessing other health markers such as bone mineral deficiency..

Supplementing Vit D just by serum 25(OH)D may lead to over medication...

[BadHare]

Not really wonderful when it took being ill to find out I was so deficient, & remaining deficient for some years from then taking too little.

There's as much harm in lacking something so essential to the body, as taking it to toxic levels. I'd hazard a guess knowing so many people are deficient when tested, that the number is considerably higher than those foolish enough to take too much. Daft people who read a scaremongering article like the one you posted from a trade website might cut out of their diet & expose themselves to a range of dangerous & deblitating illnesses. In the same way an ignorant person will read about deficiency & think too much is better than an optimal amount.

I do not trust any nutritional advice that is advertising something.

[cure in reply to BadHare]

Never thought Harvard Health Publication from Harvard Medical School will run some trade website..

Thank you for enlightening

[BadHare in reply to cure]

discovergrasslandbeef?

USwellnessmeat?

[cure in reply to BadHare]

yeah true... but other sources Like Harvard Medical School also write same scaremongering article..

and hopefully they run trade websites..

May be National US National Library for medicine also save some fake research papers to misguide Daft people and expose them to a range of dangerous & debilitating illnesses

Wonderful observations....

.

[BadHare in reply to cure]

You didn't post a medical paper, or I might have taken it seriously.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

vitamindcouncil.org/about-v...

chriskresser.com/vitamin-d-...

[Activity2004 Administrator in reply to BadHare]

I will be sending you a PM , BadHare . Please check soon.

[Activity2004 Administrator in reply to BadHare]

Okay, sent the message.

[cure]

If you’re smart, you take your car to the mechanic. Where you learn that low oil is just a symptom. There, the mechanic looks for the real problem.

Why, then, don’t we take the same approach with our health? With our supplements?

[BadHare in reply to cure]

Using your car analogy, vitamin D could be low because not enough is available, or, put in to the body, or there is a functional fault that may or not be repairable. Most people assess what they take according to their health conditions, lifestyle, food availability, medical advice, etc. Location & latitude being another extremely important issue for natural vitamin D availability where I live.

Would you please replace that badly written & misleading article with the academic one you later posted. I remain concerned that people who cannot differentiate reliable from unreliable information may read it, & harm their health.

[cure in reply to BadHare]

In hurry and excitement many times we miss to read many authentic information posted with supporting links...

It is absolutely not necessary that you should agree or disagree with each and every posts..

Internet is full of information..one must apply his/her own intelligence to decipher the information...

We should always keep in mind that many articles available on net are written with vested interest with funding from big companies...

Many time companies with vested interest also take leading role to distort character of person who is otherwise problematic to business interest.

here is very nice ancient Indian quote..

हंस श्वेतः बकः श्वेतः । को भेदो बक हंसयोः ?

नीर क्षीर विवेके तु । हंसो हंसः बको बकः !

A swan is white, a stork is white. What's the difference between the swan and the stork? When it comes to separate the water from milk, a swan is a swan and a stork is a stork.( It is considered by Sanskrit poets that swan has some mystical power to separate milk from water which is called Nir=water kshir=milk vivek = wisdom)

We must learn to apply our mind/intelligence to find out truth..

[BadHare]

One of my points is that some people are unable distinguish between reliable & unreliable information, therefore the appropriateness of posts is extremely important.

[cure in reply to BadHare]

I guess I made my point clear...

and there are many wise members here agreed with post...

No need to agree or disagree with each and every post...

[cure in reply to BadHare]

Between,if you do little research..you will find internet is full of information from authentic sources which clearly says present indiscriminate vitamin D supplementation is unhealthy and potentially harmful.

[Activity2004 Administrator]

Thank you for sharing this link for the article, Londinium . It is very helpful and interesting to read. I wasn't aware that there was a "D Call to Action" being done.

[Activity2004 Administrator]

Thank you for the link. Will try to get a free minute and read through everything.

[mhackett234]

Access the "Vitamin D Council". Each week it publishes about ten best synopses of research being done on Vitamin D. I have followed it for perhaps 8 years or so it seems that long. I take 5,000 IUs a day and get plenty of real sunshine every day.

[magsyh]

Just came across this article and feel the need to clarify. What is not being understood here is that vitamin d is a used as rat poison because of how it effects calcium absorbtion and is used to kill rats in the same way as warfrin. Warfrin kills rats in high doses due to prevention of blood clotting and the rat dies a nasty death. Vitamin d makes the rat absorb calcium into the soft tissues and the rat dies of calcification of the heart and kidneys. What we must all be aware of is it does the same to us that is why there is so much hype about vitamin d being dangerous BUT this is why when we take vitamin d we must take vitamin K2 mk7 this is vital as it redirects calcium to the teeth and bones. Without K2 we would soon be like the rats dead with heart attacks and calcified kidneys and arteries. So fear not vitamin d is not dangerous to human when taken correctly unfortunately doctors dont know these things and put their patients at risk. The same reason so many women have heart attacks post menopause. They tell you oh you must supplement with calcium to prevent osteoporosis. This is dangerous rubbish! All these elderly sitting in the sun in Spain soaking up the vitamin d keeling over with heart attacks thanks to their calcium supplements and no K2! Vitamin d from sunshine has the same action.

[Activity2004 Administrator]

I will be sending you a message soon, Hidden .

[tarambaram]

It is never was a vitamin, 5 Jewish voodoo scientists discover poison that can kill rats instantly, then they tried to feed slowly and they notice that its perfect stuff to make sheep deadly sick. food was fortified all over the places.

Soon we gonna have bones like stones.