Diabetes and normal ranges

There are different blogs have given normalvalue for non diabetic persons

1 FBS 70-100 mg/dl PPBS 100 -140 random BS < ,160

2 70-110 mg /dl PPBS 100-140 randomBS < 180 and also <180

3 HBA1C <6.5 and also < 7.0

But lchf followers FBs 70-100 mg/dl PPBS 1st hour ,140 and 2nd hour <120

Who discover this number is it necessary to stick on these . And what basis all of them believe in these ADA AHA or Mayo no.

Most of them not test perfectly either FBS or PPBS

Experienced persons may please share

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  • You are right in saying that these are ADA guidelines.These have been rationalized over a long period and they are also subject to revision periodically,as the experience is built up.Any clinic which states that they follow FDA/WHO guidelines will guide you as per above recommended ranges.If anybody has a different yard stick,the doctor may or may not concur.You have to take call on that.

  • Question is WHY should these numbers be different for a diabetic and a non diabetic? Even a diabetic has a birth right for non diabetic numbers. But, probably limits are set high because high carb low fat diet will never allow a diabetic to achieve those numbers.

    Just because someone standardized these numbers differently doesn't mean that they are right. Not just LCHF followers, but any diabetic who doesn't follow these numbers will always aim for numbers of a non diabetic.

  • Quote _______FBs 70-100 mg/dl PPBS 1st hour ,140 and 2nd hour <120_______

    These nos. are not random. They are followed because, research has shown that if one maintains BS in this range then there are less chances of developing diabetic complications.

  • Ramana says it is the guidelines of ADA /FDA/WHO guidelines

    Ultrado says also there is no different No. for diabetic or non diabetic he quoted it may be high carb diet

    Samarth says these no. not random but this no. to be followed by LCHF followers because research has shown these no. the person maintained in these no

    is the less of developing diabetic complications. Therefore every person is different opinion in the same question.

    1 So every person food system is also different and digestion power and resistance power of the person is also difference in person to person

    2 ultraduo says it is the high carb Why this person always medicated by High carb high carb He may be day and night pray for High carb meditation chant ?

    3 ADA WHO FDA MAYO a or diet Doctor Dr mercola BLOG blogs were not published Indians it is foreigners.

    4 most of high carb diet followers is particularly South Indians and north indians vegiterians may be But non vegitarians the chances of high carb consume is very less because they consume lot of eggs and mutton and chicken all these are carb nil or very neglizible quantity

    5 Further why u people accept the gideline of No. given by FDA ADA WHO

    6 Can u give the the no. of peoples high carb diet used in foreign country ?

    Please found out the truth actualy

    1 Diabetic is depend upon the insulin production and consuming the food

    when the consuming the food if sufficient insulin is not produced then BS raises.this is happen only for diabetics it may be either insulin resistance or iinsulin n sulin defficiency

    2 For non diabetic persons whatever consuming the food either small quantity or heavy meals in marriage function banana leaves verity of foods or party functions after his meals within 1-30 hour if he tested his No is less than 140 this is the prodution of insulin is eual to the consuming the food of the person is non diabetic .

    3 Further for high carb can u explain how high carb raises the Bs level

    Carb content approximately 72 - 80 gms in 100gms of grains . let us explain if I c i am consuming 100 gms of cooked rice

    How much blood sugar raises with high No.

    it contains 80 gms of carb so my bs raises at least 25 % as your opinion ? as u said ADA diet is stupid and non sence it is the sale purpose of drugs? and drug maphia

    4 one thing understand here digest capacity and insulin production is important . Even high carb diet is digested immediately within half an hour if sufficinet insulin is prodution then it completely digested and flows through the blood then there is no chances of BS raising level . if not digested insulin defficiency then bS raises beyond normal value then the drugs or insulin necessary

    further can u explain how much of carb /protein / fat stored in the body I think and my opinion protein /fat since carb digested immediately there is no stored . Our body stored protein and fat only

    Any fault be sure share and all the members may share your experience

  • ADA/Mayo/AMA/AHA is also not for Indians by your logic. It is for Americans. So, let's stop chanting and reciting poetry about ADA/AMA/AHA/Mayo. For rest of your questions, why not talk to doctor whom you trust?

    Someone is planning LCHF restaurant in Bangalore :)

    Dietdoctor is not for Indians?

    dietdoctor.com/lchf-success...

    Resistance power is more related to immunity. Diabetes is more related to carb intolerance. Two are not the same. Have you heard of the term Insulin Resistance? Type 2 doesn't always mean low on insulin.

  • Carbs doesn't get stored? Well all the extra carbs will go to be stored as FAT once liver and muscles glycogen stores are full. Carbs do get stored as glycogen. 150 grams in liver and around 350 in muscles.

    LCHF restaurant someone posted here. SO check that.

    LCHF hospital? What will they do there when patients on LCHF require less of doctors support :)

    As for carbs and insulin, why don't you ask these questions to your beloved doctors? I am not here to teach people who get upset on every mention of LCHF and then start losing cool and then indulge in "tutu mai mai" instead of discussing maturely.

  • u need not Doctor and ADA or any guidelines u need not drugs So u are different man. OK

    when the diabetes prolonged the now producing insulin willl down gradualy then there is no alternative way the drugs or insulin required

    for series condition occurs whether coma or very low sugar happens then glucose with insulin to be given by the Doctor he may not given egg juice or mutton juice ? Carb is how much danger also it is need to emergency condition since it digest immediately in the blood and gives immediately regain the the body activity. of course good luck u can maintain your diet with drug less we not bother about it But any time u must used medicines and go to Doctors help either diabetic or other health problems either your self or your family members purpose

    Good luck

  • Do you know VCO releases energy faster than carbs as it is MCT and doesn't spike blood sugar? You have a very wrong perception about people who follow LCHF.

    Egg juice and mutton juice? What's that? Why do people lose cool so easily. No one is forcing anyone here to eat eggs and muttons. Just in case you don't know, even non-veg diabetics on LCHF don't eat mutton much. We avoid red meat as far as possible :)

    Even insulin production will last longer than diabetics on high carb for sure :)

  • What is this

    quote _______egg juice or mutton juice and LCHF Hospital______

    Can you elaborate?

  • "Anger" leading to tit-for-tat game. Anger takes over when one is at loss of words.

  • Any discussion started some of the people like Ultraduo and another member were spoil the discussion and force their views only i it is not only my discussion so much of persons non lchf users discussion

    As per their opinion others o are non maturity people .

    1 if u not interested to discussion u may leave out this thread . It is your own decision No one cannot force u must be put coment

    further I am now also says that I am not wrong conception or against LCHF diet system and also LCHF bolgers . I am member of 4 or 5 LCHF blog evenI am pure vegitarian I may pick good tips if u like it i follow if not i may leave simply not participating the discussion.

    some people have the idea any discussion start with high carb is problem It shows who is not maturity

    LetsGetFree your postis good most of thing is accepted by most of them except a few of them.

    1 Carbohydrate or sugar is not a basic problem of diabetic Insulin is the 90 % of causes the diabetic It is agreed and everyone must understand

    2 Excess of insulin produced is also causes of diabeties but most of them not believed and they argued a and press it is high carb.

    3 One thing must be noted Mind is controled the body system and also blood circulation and sugar level Sugar level cannot control the mind . So raising the blood sugar must be down for some time

    4 If FBS is more than 140 if u do some work or going walk after 2 hours it must be down If FBs is normal value then also if u go for walk then firs after walk first half an hour BSlevel raises upto 25-30 no. after 2 nd half an hour it decreases 45 no. after 2 hour it becomes as normal value BS range . this is my personnel experience.

    5 To maintain the insulin produced in the body and consuming the foodratio then no problem is happen for diabetic if insulin is less consuming food is more then happen .

    6 LCH Fsystem this is the main theory to use less carb to avoid BS raises and maintain the insulin difficiency

    7 Further good luck sir for your respond and given coment in this discussion

  • Samarth or any members please understand and I am not criticising the LCHF members or blog this blog is good no doubt . But only 2 membes always against ADA /MAO /WHO etc and Doctor and Drugs of course but why these members in whatever discussion they try to critic about it and insulted others about lchf restorant . and mention always HIgh carb High carbs that is why I mentioned LCHF hospital

    Similarly previous one member also comented that one woman story if she not followed LCHF system her baby die .

    Then also oppose and given reply about LCHF

    This person main intention what purpose ? Totaly these persons avoid the smooth discussion in this forum who ever started

    Any member if any inconvenience inthis please ignore it and co-operate for smooth discussion

    Sharing the knowledge is important thanking u all members participate in the discussion.

  • Why do you (and few others) get upset when ADA/AMA/AHA/WHO is criticized? We just don't blabber against them like few people do here against anyone talking about LCHF.

    WE criticize based on our medical reports on ADA diet and on LCHF. Any diabetic on LCHF and who follows their medical reports will always be critical of ADA/AMA/AHA/WHO/Mayo/USDA dietary recommendations.

    No one has ever answered one question:

    Why has every disease gone up after 1980's when carbs started increasing and fats started decreasing?

  • I am not interest inhto continue discussions since u are said that you asked your beloved Doctor ?

    This is the blog toshare the experience each other That is why i i started discussion

    Further lastly inform u that

    1 i am not criticising the LCHF This is so many time i am pointed out in discussions When every discussion whatever it may be u criticised ADA /WHO or any forum and Doctor I am given answer . Further I am believable in My Doctor u may be believe in Dr mercola and Dr berkinsten O K they also good Doctor u may followed

    2 i am not upset your No of blood test report It is left to u.

    3 As u expert by reading 8 or 10 blogs and some website seraches but simply not answerable my question .

    Your answer is High carb problems ?

    4 yes for the person suffering from road accident u may gave treatment by given by lchf method

    5 if the person needed heart operation u may givehigh fat since high fat not damaged heart problems

    6 for cancer patientsu may give LCHF

    totaly u may nationalised LCHF pattern for all diseases even emergency condition u maygive fat sin liquid form b instead of glucose or insulin.

    7 Further a good wonderful information found that your languages used and your letter and words style using method is no doubt similar to other person

    8 Further it is better to neglect your comments onwards

    Wish u Good luch God bless u

  • All coments posted in this discussion seen totaly

    I am concluded that my opinion is

    1 The B S ranges given no by different studies are all acceptable depend upon the persons it is the left to individual opinion.

    2 BS number minimum no 70 to be fixed is the standard No. Since below 60 the person may shakey hands legs or any parts and it is due to effect of coma process if it continue to reduces below 50 he may be affected fully Coma level

    3 BS 85- 100 is good level If possible diabetic persons may try to keep this f No. by adjusting the diet or medicines or some exercise if not possible it may be at least 120 the range as we tested at home glucometer.

    4 The Doctors seen the D M patient and how much previous he is on DM and ganerally he fixed FBS not more than 130 and PPBS not more than 160

    For prolonged persons may at any circumstances if he not found food if he go to coma chances Further the PPBS No if it is more than 180 it is difficult if he any problems if he needed surgery

    5 lastly this is my personnel opinion Those who does not believe they may be keep it their want of numbers I may not upset if they kkep 70 or below FBS and 80-90 for PPBS that is left to us

  • Your understanding the issue is good.

  • DIABETIC CONSEQUENCE IS ACCORDING TO ONE'S HEALTH, PHYSIQUE AND DIGESTIVE POWER. I AM 63 YRS. WT 57 KGS. DIABETIC FOR 9 YEARS. NO DIET. NO WALKING OR EXERCISE. I AM ONLY DOING 10 SIT AND UPS IN A DAY. I AM NEVER ON REGULAR MEDICINE AS I EXPERIENCED ALLOPATHY MEDICINES RESULT IN DROWSINESS AND E.D. PROBLEM. FPS RANGE ALWAYS WITHIN 110 AND PPS BETWEEN 180 TO 220. SOMETIME EVEN AFTER HEAVY NON VEG FOOD IT WAS 190 AND FOR SIMPLE FOOD IT WAS 220. HB1AC 7.8. MY DOCTOR SAYS I AM HEALTHY.

    ITS ALL BECAUSE OF MY PHYSIQUE. MY SUGGESTION TO MEMBERS IF LCHF DOESN'T SUIT GO FOR LONG WHEAT. THERE ARE ALSO PLENTY OF OTHER ADVICE LIKE METHI SEEDS, BINDI WATER, ALOE VERA ETC. ONE OF THESE WILL SUIT YOU. THESE ALLOPATHY DOCTORS EXPLOIT YOU AND MINT MONEY.

    MINIMUM ONCE IN 6 MONTHS DO KIDNEY TEST. OTHER PROBLEMS NOT BECAUSE OF DIABETIC AND YOU CAN CONTROL OVER IT.. I AM SAYING ALL THESE BASED ON MY PHYSICAL HEALTH AND EXPERIENCE.

  • Thanks to sri ramana 42 and Ragivrao for accepted my conclusion which is the general fact every person should followed The production of insulin and consuming the food to be total then there is no problem But for T2 persons it is some how difficult for production of insulin is too dificiency or insulin is blocked from the body any other reasons In this time some of the drugs may be taken it is good

    Jaisinghk1 Your decision is good but also do not think otherwise i am given following suggestion it may be accepted yourself it is good

    1 Allopathy medicine maysome effect it is fully chemical compound but one think we may noticed no ther waywe may accepted it since ayurveda or homeopathic may popular even their Doctors may no sure they give good medicines

    2 Doctor may accept upto 180 - 200 is O K But so many specialists are consdered as statd above normal value 100-130 and ppbs 140 is good and it may be upto 160 is O K but 180 is some how danger if any circumstanmces any complication araises it may difficult to make surgery or other problems

    This is my opinion please consult with Doctors and follow their guidance.

    Thanks

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