My Experiments with LCHF !!

My Experiments with LCHF

I came to this forum while reading about shootergeorge’s reversing of diabetes. Unfortunately,I could not get any long grain in Gurgaon or Delhi. I did try a contact in Aurangabad but nothing came of it.

However,I came into this forum while browsing for long grain and started reading on LCHF and the excellent service and education it provides to people with diabetes.My special thanks to Medfree for the wealth of information and references he provides.There are many others who do exactly the same but to a lesser extent, however they are too many to be named. I salute you all.

My background.

I came to know of my diabetes shortly after leaving the Army (pre mature retirement) and prior to immigrating to USA in 1993. I am a typical active Punjabi male with history of D2 on both sides of my family. Yet I took liquor and very rich food for most of my life. Perhaps my diabetes was subdued because of a very active life style ( cricket, squash, golf and lesser level hockey and football besides going to gym and jogging). It came whooping out when I landed in USA with complete change of lifestyle and a desire to feed my family and survive. No time for games when you do two jobs.

The doctors in USA and India are just the same. You wait for 25-40 minutes in their office before they see you and then they see you for less then 15 minutes and give you a long list of tests. no one, really no one goes into details of your diets of lifestyle and give you a 5 page leaflet to abide by. All the Youtube videos are great with Bernstein, Mark Hayman etc but they are very few and live far away. The pharma mafia has a solid grip on the Doctors and the system. The good Doctors after a great practice publish a sensational book, come on TV and become very expansive and hard to reach.

Hence the growing out reach to forums and blogs where fellow suffering diabetics help and educate each other. I have been to a lot of them and can generally say that these people try and help.

Anyway I am 67+ now a diabetic for over 20 years. I am retired and on social security in USA and pension in India. I am under medicare for my needs in USA and with ECHF while in India.

I arrived in India in the last week of April and soon joined this forum. At the time of my joining I was taking the following:

Metformin HCL 1000 MG twice a day

Glipizide 10 MG twice a day

Januvia 100 MG one a day at night.

My usual fasting BS was 130-160

Never tested after 2 hrs of meals and till I came to this forum no one in USA advised me to test after meals.

I live In California, very close to Napa and love the easy availability of great wine and excellent organic food.I take both non veg food and wine in abundance. I also jogged, walked and did weight lifting which have kept me on the last frontier (prior to going on insulin). I want to avoid insulin !!

I am presently In India,based in Gurgaon for a few months. I come for a few months for since 2010. I come alone and don't keep a servant or a cook. I cook everything myself or order from a local club.

I started LCHF at the end of may 2014. I feel generally good about myself. By the first week of July my numbers started showing a consistency I had never seen before. My fasing BS range 68-115 (few in 130 and two in 150). My post lunch range is 125-175. My post dinner range after 4 hrs around midnight is 150-195. I am no Doctor but i took a gamble and stopped taking Januvia at this stage. In the third week of July I dropped Glipizide from 10MG twice a day to 5MG twice a day.

My fasting is hovering around 95-125 (more in 110 range). My post lunch and dinner sugars depend on what I eat. I can make lentils (learnt from You tube) and palak paneer . When I take Palak Paneer with boiled veg or raw salad my two hr sugars are in 125-135 range. If I take dal at dinner with raw salads of Cucumber and carrot the sugars at midnight are in 135-185 range. Lentils not good at dinner.

By hit and trial I have learnt to give up Melon and Papaya (i love both the fruits) at breakfast along with an omelet of three eggs. Because when i take these two fruits my sugars after two hours are in the range of 195-250. I have stopped taking these two fruits. My sugars after BF do come down as I take corrective action by eating heavy raw salad at lunch. See, this part of checking sugars after meals was never told to me except when I went through the entire write ups of Medfree.

I have had a blood report on the 30th of july. Not Great but as follows:

Cholestrol Total 202 up from 154 in March in USA

triglycerides 122

HDL 52

LDL125.6 up from 75

HbA1c 7.9 down from 8.5

My numbers are not good and I don't know what to do. But I am conituing with LCHF. I intend to learn to cook some more.

Incidentally in Jan around new year I gave up non Veg (though if required I will switch back) and this limits the amount I can eat/cook.

I have already reduced two medicines from my intake and my aim to be medicine free. It will take time but I shall prevail.

Its a long introduction. I am glad I wrote it. I am not doing any spell check or looking for grammatical errors, gave those up when i retired.

PS: Use Olive oil, Desi Ghee and Parachute coco oil for fat. Now trying to get virgin coco oil.

Limit wine to 375 ml bottle on happy occasions.

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  • Welcome to LCHF club.

    Pl don't use Parachute coconut oil. Use VCO.

    Fruits -- try and get Avocado. Its FAT loaded and only 8 grams carb/100 grams.

    If you can afford to do the isometrics in less than 10 min/day, buy a Bullworker, though someone feels that Bullworker is my agenda after falsely claiming LCHF diet is for diabetes.

    Rest when we launch our own forum :)

  • Like you i was also taking januvia for about 5 yrs and being diabetic for 20 years and even went on to insulin for about 3 weeks. I thought iam going to be on insulin for life .It was then i happen to see this LCHF as suggested by medfree .PERSONALLY I WAS NOT CONVINCED. Then i thought let me give it a try .To my utter surprise i stopped insulin and also januvia . Now i have to taper other med like metformin and dianil which i have been taking for many years

    Iam careful about my diet . i take lots of veg available . nuts, badam , eggs etc suggestions given here are excellent for all but a word of caution , have your own methods of testing with a machine at home and decide what goes well with your body. twice i took ice cream and instead of reading going up it touched only 127 to my surprise , at same time iam not asking anyone to try this . have your own methods of studying your body reacting to whatever food you take and decide on a style which will keep the sugar under control

    with min med and enjoy the food you relish . just avoid rice and wheat as far as possible .

    with my experience of a few days in this diet i can suggest to readers, do check your sugar level before dinner and if it is low avoid med that evening so that you do not have to face an experience of very low sugar .well i had gone through this twice after switching over to low carb diet and i keep some glucose close to my bed

    i have read your long history of diabetic and we have lots in common . iam about 5 yrs junior to you.

    i too felt the same no one has suggested a change of diet before to me . good luck . wish you have complete recovery from diabetes as you progress on this new diet plan . thanks to "medfree"

  • ice-cream is fat with small quantity of sugar with very less carbohydrate and if u take only ice cream then bs reading after 2 hrs will be withing range

  • In fact, while buying ice cream one should always look for the one with highest FAT content.

    Same thing with chocolates. If you make ice cream at home, add a lot of cream and coconut flour also. Coconut flour should also be added to "gajar ka halwa (made without sugar)"

  • With the kind of stuff you write.... you almost defy or rather laugh in the face of D2.Ice cream, Full fat chocolate (instead of bitter 70-80%) and Gajar Ka Halwa.

    i look forward to the day I can have Gajar ka Halwa.

    I will, I will, I will.

  • infact i have purposely placed on record how a diabetic like me can have ice cream and maintain control on the readings after going through a low carbo diet. i take lunch and dinner with butter , ladies finger [6], beans[2/3,]onions [ 1]lots of peanuts, badam etc .Not tried vco , may be in a few days i will try that too . so far everything is going fine .

  • Dionil could be the one causing frequent lows. So you can begin with tapering that and eliminating it completely as it is whipping your pancreas.

    MF is relatively safe drug so, depending on the dose that you take, you can continue with it.

  • Hi Diabetta,

    Thanks for commenting.

    Great job with LCHF. Although your numbers after eating ice cream are a big surprise. I will try that once i get a little more handle on my numbers.

    I going through blood testing supplies fast but then this LCHF is so exiting that you have to test. Some times my numbers are not flattering so I have to experiment more with my diet.

    Glad we have something in common. I have a feeling that we we all persist we may conquer or bring it under control.

    Medfree has set us all on an excellent path.

    Up with LCHF !

  • i take lunch and dinner with butter , ladies finger [6], beans[2/3,]onions ,tomatoes and sometime add cabbages also[ 1]lots of peanuts, badam etc .Not tried vco , may be in a few days i will try that too .

    Medfree has set us all on an excellent path. you are right we all have to find solutions ourselves . imagine a diabetic enjoying an ice cream to those envying the same .At Least i am experiencing the same at home

  • I always say/said -- eat anything and everything if on LCHF. Few great experts interpreted it as "eat unlimited" and then started attacking LCHF with their weird theories.

    All that I am away from is sweetener (though i do take home made cake which has sugar added), packaged stuff and anything that comes fom fast food joints. Pizza also have it made at home. On LCHF, one can even cheat once in a while (but not consecutive meals) so socially not feel left out while attending parties.

    Next is to try Cake made from kidney beans, and kept in fridge as beans have RS too :)

    theresekerr.com/certified-o...

  • What about artificial sweeteners ? I take two tablets of sugar free with my tea. I take around 5cups a day.

    Do these mess with the BS numbers? I also take about three cups of green tea with 2tabets of sugar free. So my intake is roughly 16 tablets/day.

    Please advise.

  • Artificial sweetners are bad for everyone.

    articles.mercola.com/sites/...

  • I always prefer sugar to artificial sweeteners whenever i cannot resists taking something sweet.. Aspartame based are deadly and no other than great Donald Rumsfeld (the Defense Secretary during Dubya days) pushed it through FDA. Same guy who is responsible for making millions overnight out of TamiFlu. Politicians suck everywhere.

    Splenda is sweet chlorocarbon -- aka Sweet DDT :)

  • I even eat kheer without any sweetner or sugar. Sweetner is consumed only when I buy sugarfree pedha or barfi. But that is on rare occasions.

  • I will need some inner resolve to get used to live with out artificial sweeteners.

  • Me too, I cannot have non sweet tea so go for sugar free natura which is sucralose.

  • i think that artificial sweeteners are equally bad. practice food or drinks taking without sweeteners. if some time u can't resist sweet, u may take sweet in small quantity but u have to cut the carbohydrates. today evening i had been to my friend's house and had sweet and bhagies, but in the night i took a cup of whole milk and my sugar level is 98

  • i think that artificial sweeteners are equally bad. practice food or drinks taking without sweeteners. if some time u can't resist sweet, u may take sweet in small quantity but u have to cut the carbohydrates. today evening i had been to my friend's house and had sweet and bhagies, but in the night i took a cup of whole milk and my sugar level is 98

  • Thank you Sonu196. I am motivating myself to give that up. I shall start with baby steps.

  • Buy stevia as replacement for aspartame/sucralose loaded sweetners and see if it works for you. I switched to stevia during initial days and slowly gave that up as did not find the taste to my liking. Here's the site that I used to order online back then:

    sosweet.in/

  • Hi Medfree,

    What does RS stand for? You mentioned that beans have RS too and need to be kept in fridge.

  • It is resistant starch.

    freetheanimal.com/2013/12/r...

  • Thank you. Now I know.

  • Just seen the video,Wow !

    It's great to know.

  • Also read Dr. Ronesh Sinha's book "The South Asian Challenge". He treats only South Asians, at Palo Alto Medical Centre in California and says the American standards used by doctors don't work for Indians. Most of them need to be lowered. That said, I'm a bit skeptical of the high-fat business, especially after reading both Dr. Dean Ornish and particularly Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn (who blows the lid of the high-fat diets and what they do inflammation-wise to arteries). An entirely plant-based diet is the best and safest. And, yes, you will get all the protein (your body really requires amino acids, which are the building blocks) from the plant kingdom.

  • Isn't he also advocating FATS and more inclined towards paleo diet? Though he gives it a new name -- "Low Insulin Lifestyle".

    Bottom line I guess remains same -- LOW CARB HIGH FAT Diet.

    Whoever thinks FAT chokes arteries and causes CVD/CHD, THEY NEED TO LOOK AT:

    ajcn.nutrition.org/content/...

    Diabetics need to look at CARB+Protein+Fat no matter what the name of diet is and diabetics just cannot afford to be munching carbs whether plant based or not is immaterial. At the end of the day,

    4(C+P) + 9F = Total Kcal intake.

    C&P - spike sugar (and hence insulin)

    F - doesn't spike sugar or insulin.

    Dean Ornish talks 45 to 65% carbs and such a diet with even active lifestyle does nothing to protect the heart as far as diabetics are concerned --

    healthunlocked.com/diabetes...

    So is a non workable proposition for diabetics. It will never work.

  • Hi krishnang,

    In Jan 2014 I started eating vegetarian diet. After three months on that diet I did a blood test and my cholesterol and lipid profile was good but sugars came out high.

    I have seen "Forks over Knifes" and have Dr. Caldwell's book as well. All excellent stuff. I also own a copy of the DVD.

    In April I came to India and got into the LCHF and so far my numbers (on daily basis are decent). Although I got a blood test done on 30July the numbers still shows cholesterol and Lipids high, there is strong possibility that I shall get them in control.

    I have had reservation on high fat, specially if you follow medree---he takes raw virgin oil with black coffee with B/F. The man has been without medicine for 3 or 4 years !

    Following him I have started Coco oil. I could not get virgin so I started with parachute oil used for body and hair. Frankly I dont mind it. Although I will switch to virgin coco by next week till then I am using parachute brand.

  • You can buy VCO online:

    ebay.in/itm/MERIT-VCO-EXTRA...

    This guy has increased price by 25 bucks approximately.

    I buy in 2L lot (4 bottles)

    Avoid using parachute oil for hair/body.

  • Medfree lchf no: 161

    I am from bangalore 10 years in DM, 66 years of age,a shadow follower of medifree post from many months ,after gaining knowledge of lchf ,I started lchf 25 days before I have under gone bypass for heart block 2 years back

    Medication :

    Pregeb m 75 foot numness

    Ecosprin gold 0-0-1 asprin+ cholesteral

    Metasatin 25 mg 1-0-0 BP

    Medlong 500mg 1-0-1 DM

    PRE LCHF DIET LAB REPORT

    My weight 75kg ht 5' 10"

    FBS 125 PPBS 175 HbA1C 6.4 mean blood gluc 136.98

    Cholesteral total 126 Trig 66 HDL 30 LDL 82.8 VLDL 13.2 total/HDL ratio 4.2 LDL/HDL ratio 2.8

    Vit D 28.9 Vit B12 919

    PRE LCHF DIET LAB REPORT

    FBS 93 PPBS 107 wt reduces by 3kg

    Lchf diet BREAK FAST Tea w/out sugar 1 roti(30g) egg+veg+sometimes ghee+ cup curds

    LUNCH 1 roti(30g)+veg subji+salad/veg soup

    DINNER 1 roti(30g) chiken soup/fry/veg +curd(home made)

    Kindly guide me how to use ex vir olive oil can we use for cooking or Use along with black coffee ( as allergic to vco) or can we use homemade ghee

    Pregeb m 75 foot numbness has no effect /maginal effect

    As i have no Knowledge about cholesteral/foot numbness Pl advise me about my diet

    let us have forum for lchf as we can dicuss in detail without any adverse reply

  • Welcome aboard sir.

    Are you allergic to Palm Oil too? Palm oil can be used for cooking in place of coconut oil. You can try and see if this suits you. Olive oil I prefer only in salads as dressing and not for frying. You can also use butter. for adding to curry/daal etc.

    If you don't suffer from hypothyroid, start taking 300mg Alpha Lipoic Acid and One multivitamin like Supradyn daily. This should help you on foot numbness, which should also get better as you get your A1C down.

    Add CoQ10 100mg once a day supplement.

    Add almonds, walnuts as snacks.

    Yes we are working on launching a forum for LCHF specifically.

  • Great numbers and super job in reducing weight by 3 kg, excellent. I am a newby too. Great to have you here.

  • hello naghappy,

    so, after LCHF, how is your Hba1C ? I kind of am eating what you are eating. Are u still on meds ? If you stopped your meds, did the Doctor stop the meds or did you reduce it yourself ?

    Thanks.

  • Hi DiaHelp

    My HbA1c 6.4 on july 15th ,I will take HbA1c after two months I dn't stop Medformin 500 Two/day I will slowly Tapper down as my diet and reading sets I am still in search of good desi ghee/home made from butter ,oil for cooking .In bangalore extra virgin olive oil(spain made) we can get 2 lr for Rs950 My craving for rice as become nil

    all the best Thanking you

  • Hi nag happy,

    Your numbers were great. 127 after ice cream excellent. I am still experimenting. All through my diabetic years I was not informed about checking sugars after meals. Everyone asked for the fasting,I learnt about it in india on this forum while reading up on Medfree.

    Now I check after every meal. I am learning that omelette ,raw veg salad,blanched veg salad and palak paneer give me a max of 130 after two hours. Many times it is in the low 90s or under 110. I take relief in the fact that I have dropped januvia 100 mg and reduced Glipizide to half, instead of 10 mg I now take 5 mg. I never had the guts to do that earlier.

    My problem is my skills in cooking.i learnt palak paneer from watching you tube vedios and keep on referring to it while in the kitchen when I cook. I can make channa dal ( ideal for diabetics) and masoor dal with tempering. But with each dal my sugar after 2 hours is usually in the range of 140-165. I have learned this after two months of lousy cooking.

    I also take nut cracker from Haldiram ( peanuts fried in a paste of basen with masala). They are high in everything- fat,caps and carbs.i am addicted to it. I have controlled my wine intake but have not been able to conquer my love for Nut Cracker. But I will.

  • Nut cracker once is a while is OK. I avoid such stuff because you are never sure of the oil used and trans fat. Best is make it at home. Because experts tell you to just go by FBS numbers, one tends to get worse on sugar control and the complications that set in because of diabetes. I never bothered about FBS, because PPBS goes bad years before FBS goes bad and if PPBS is controlled in tight range the diabetic complications are also relatively better controlled. Experts make money out of diabetics, they don't care a penny about what happens to them. Their agenda is -- SELL DRUGS.

  • Thanks Medfree,

    I am trying to give up this addiction starting with reducing quantity. May be because of nut cracker( which I take at 5 and 6:30 pm ) my midnight PPBS is 140-165.

    I am going to leave this addiction.

    Gave up smoking in 1987

    Gave up scotch in 2005(I now take once in a while)

    Will not give up wine, I have reduced it to a glass since jan 2014. Since may in India have had it twice.

    Will reduce nut cracker to once in a while.

  • Hello Naghappy,

    One more question for you. Do you consume anything else like fruits, peanuts etc in between breakfast/lunch/dinner ?

    Thanks.

  • Hi Diahelp

    In between breakfast/lunch/dinner atleast one fistful of peanut is must to supress hunger Papaya/guova one piece three /four times a week I am experimenting with cosumption of flexseed

    thanking you

  • Good to c people with good history with D2 - D1 getting benefits from LCHF and i am one of them , i avoided all froms of wheat and rice from my diet muching on peanuts still not taking Coq110 or VCO but eating coconut but will add them in sometime too :) .

  • Yes, because LCHF just works. Common sense -- Eat less carbs, replace carbs with good fats and sugar control will be far better on far lower or NIL drugs :)

  • Following from the UK :)

  • Gr8!

    Share your numbers and experience with LCHF here, if possible.

  • Hi ukangell,

    Welcome. Are you diabetic ? have you tried LCHF ?

  • Hi Everybody. I am new to your blog.

    I am 46 years old and mother of two sons. I am on homeopathic medicine but my sugar is- fasting 170 and pp 220. It seems not working for last 3-4 months. I was detected sugar from 2008 but it was then 140 fasting and 170 pp. I didn't change my lifestyle and it is now in this stage. But I have not tried allopathy yet. I had done my lipid profile , ketone and echo cardiogram. Till now everything is ok. only pressure was high 170/70. I was given homeopathy medicine and it is under control now 120/70. Just 4-5 days back I was looking for complete cure in net and has came up with the idea of starving with 600 cal for 8 weeks have cured diabetes completely (as per research by professor Ray Taylor of New Castle University). Have anybody tried that?

  • Do you also know that the experiment was on BMI 35 and were under medical observation throughout?

    Do you also have any information on what happened to them after they were released?

    Diabetes cannot be CURED.

  • dguha,

    Starving yourself on 600 cal in not advisable.

    Are you aware of LCHF ? give it a try. Please read about it on this forum. There are plenty of people on this forum who can advise you if you give some details about what you consume at breakfast, lunch,dinner and snacks.

    Don't loose heart. The fact that you have come here is a great first step.

    Check out some of the posts and you will get a feel of the kind of help that is provided by well meaning members who have gained control over D2 by change of life style and by adopting LCHF.

  • that is great keep posting your further improvement so that everyone can benefit

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