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Jeanette49
Jeanette49
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I have been taking magnesium taurate, (brand Cardiovascular Research Ltd, recommended by cardiologist Sanjay Gupta) for over a year now, but stopped after my cryoablation October 2018

Crazy heart rhythm (no tachycardia) started persistently (after a few various short periods of the same) about 6 months later, so I started the magnesium taurate again, one capsule twice a day as directed on the bottle. I have suffered from IBS for over 30 years, but the constant upset tummies I have now are off the scale.

My heart is behaving very well, whether due to the ablation or magnesium I don’t know (I also take CO Q10 recommended by a cardiologist) I don’t want to stop the magnesium to find out really, but the constant tummy problems are taking their toll. I also take Eliquis, I have investigated the side effects of both magnesium and Eliquis, and both state diarrhoea and gastric problems.

Can anyone shed any light on this for me please?

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bantam12

Have you tested your mag level ? Maybe you are taking to much, my Cardio said not to take it if levels were ok.

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jeanjeannie50

You could try adding some ginger - powdered or root (half a teaspoon) to your breakfast.

I can't take magnesium orally as it gives me like a reflux soreness, but can cope well with flakes in my bath and an oil spray.

Jean

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Jeanette49

Flakes in your bath? 🤔

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jeanjeannie50

Yes, you can buy magnesium in powder or flake form and just add it to your bathwater, like the old fashioned bath salts. I usually get mine from TKmax, but they don't always have it.

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Jeanette49

Oh I see, unfortunately we don’t have a bath, only a shower, we live in Spain...

Thanks for suggestions though Jean, I really don’t want to stop the magnesium as I feel that it keeps my ectopics under control so well. I would be really apprehensive about stopping it and risking those awful episodes of crazy rhythm again! Maybe I should try one capsule per day.

Diarrhoea and gastroenteritis can also be a side effect of Eliquis.

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jeanjeannie50

Try the ginger.

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Buffafly
Buffafly
in reply to Jeanette49

I think that is because it contains lactose, so if you are very lactose intolerant it would affect you. I am lactose intolerant and have IBS but actually it doesn't seem to affect me at all.

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FancyPants54

Buy a bowl and relax a few evenings a week with your feet in the bowl with warm water and the magnesium salts, flakes or liquid. It absorbs well through skin and foot in the bowl method is well known and convenient for shower only households and the elderly.

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Auriculaire

You can use it in footsoaks and it is absorbed . I take a small dose of magnesium 100mg 3 times a day . It is a mix of taurate and biglycinate. I find this does not upset my bowels. Or at least I don't think so - having had a colectomy my transit is erratic anyway!

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Madscientist16

There are lotions that contain magnesium if you can't soak in a bath.

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allserene

My mother would not let my sister dye her hair, coz she said the chemicals go through your skull and damage your brain ! ... Our only hope in the formation overload age, is to cling to science....

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Jlaine

Be careful with ginger when on blood thinners. It also has a blood thinning effect.

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jeanjeannie50

It certainly does, as I only discovered this week.

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jwsonoma

You get it in lotion form as well.

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JaneFinn

Hi Jeanette,

Like jeanjeannie, I use a magnesium oil spray on my skin, instead of taking capsules/tablets. That way it bypasses the digestive system and reaches where it’s needed without the side effects. (Or that’s the aim!)

I would also bath in the magnesium flakes but I have bad eczema, and that’s too painful on my broken skin.

I use MagEssentials ultrapure magnesium oil spray (I get it on amazon) - I’ve tried various different ones when this has been out of stock, but always return to it, because by far it has the best results for me.

Might be worth switching to see if it is the magnesium affecting your stomach? Hope you find some relief. xx

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Tikaneko
Tikaneko
in reply to JaneFinn

Can I ask the reason you stick to one make in particular, I would dearly love to use the spray but it makes my skin tingle really badly and itchy.

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Staffsgirl
Staffsgirl
in reply to Tikaneko

I may be wrong, but I’ve heard that the itchiness is a sign your body needs it. My skin used to itch when I first stared using it some years ago, but never does now.

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Tikaneko
Tikaneko
in reply to Staffsgirl

Oh my goodness I think you are right, I have been taking the capsule form of Taurate for the past few weeks, tonight following my shower I got the spray out and used it, the tingling itching was greatly reduced. That is not a coincidence. Thank you.

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FancyPants54

As Staffsgirl said, keep using it and put up with the itch for a little while and then it stops itching. It's not harmful.

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JaneFinn
JaneFinn
in reply to Tikaneko

Hi Tikaneko,

The reason I stick to one type is just because I found it worked for me. I chanced upon the brand I use by reading up

about where the magnesium oil is sourced most purely, and reading reviews, and deciding this was a good one to try. It’s also more reasonably priced than many more well known brands.

Arrhythmia-wise it’s always impossible to know if something’s genuinely having an effect, isn’t it, as there’s so many variables! But both ectopics and AF did reduce massively from a week or two onwards after I started using this regularly every day, and immediately I felt a benefit in my relaxation and sleeping. It was like my body relaxed all over, amazing for a tense kind of person!!

I honestly thought there was probably a placebo effect going on (but was happy to go with it if it worked!). Then about 6 months ago, i had several nights where I didn’t feel that nice soporific relaxing feeling, and lay wakeful at night again. I assumed the placebo effect had worn off- but then I checked the magnesium oil bottle and realised I’d started using a different brand (it looked similar and it was a gift, so I hadn’t noticed). Through trial and elimination I’ve found my Mag Essentials to work best for me. (Not to say it would for everyone of course!)

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JaneFinn
JaneFinn
in reply to Tikaneko

About the skin issues, Tikaneko, I agree with what others here have written - if you use it and it’s making unbroken skin itchy or stinging then it may be just that you need the magnesium. So the theory is that if you push through, it will get better.

If (like me) your skin is broken and sore, putting magnesium oil on is going to keep stinging! I’d much prefer to take it in tablet form if I could - but taking long term PPIs mean that I wouldn’t absorb the magnesium if I took it orally.

I find the pain is minimised (and soaking in is maximised) if I shower before putting it on, spray it on to the least sore parts of me and rub it in. I leave it on for 30 mins, then shower it off. It is totally worth the bother and the discomfort for me. Oh and as a very happy side effect, my skin is now softer :)

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Beehive1
Beehive1
in reply to JaneFinn

I mix my own spray using flakes or salts. A fraction of the cost.

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JaneFinn
JaneFinn
in reply to Beehive1

Oh that’s clever! May I PM you to find out details of how? X

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Beehive1
Beehive1
in reply to JaneFinn

Hi Jane I just disolve the salts in warm water in a spray bottle. If you have a look at the contents label of the sprays in the health shops, you will see the majority contain epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) and water!

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JaneFinn
JaneFinn
in reply to Beehive1

Brilliant, thanks! Great tip. I can only afford the magnesium oil by getting it as birthday and Christmas gifts (I’m currently off work & money is v tight) so I’m v grateful for a cheaper alternative! Xx

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Beehive1
Beehive1
in reply to JaneFinn

Just to add I am not a pharmacist or medically trained so I just follow the instructions on the packet re disolving etc. and it seems to work for me.

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healme
healme
in reply to JaneFinn

Hi JaneFinn I don't get a chance to read healthunlocked everyday as I am still working I'm also a carer and do bnb from home but each time I see your posts I find similarities to my own conditions. Can I ask are you on Apixaban and have you always suffered with eczema ? I'm curious because I have developed it for the first time in my 60 years on this earth since being on Apixaban. Sorry I should message you privately but I don't know how to. I live near your area too I think. Thanks in anticipation. Angela

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JaneFinn
JaneFinn
in reply to healme

Hi Angela! I have always had eczema, so mine isn’t associated with the apixaban - I wonder if yours is though?

I’ll private message you - you’ll see the ‘private message’ (PM) option if you look at the top of your screen, where there’s several icons. The one with two speech bubbles is the PM one. You’ll find my message there :)

(But not til later - appointments to deal with first !) xxx

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Jeanette49

Interesting article by Sanjay Gupta, he seems to think that the blood test to measure magnesium is pretty useless...

hypothyroidmom.com/a-cardio...

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secondtry

A normal doctor's surgery magnesium blood test shows almost always OK. What you need is the Magnesium red cell test, I am sure somebody in Spain will do it. I have been having regular 6 monthly checks sending my blood to BioLab in London trying to get my Mg level up to the upper quartile. Evidently, a lot of calcium in your diet (e.g. cheese, cream, butter, milk) can block absorption of Mg so reluctantly I have now started cutting dairy products which I love by 80%. I agree with others here and use a lower dose of an Mg compound orally (as a full dose upsets my tum) topped up with an mg spray twice a day.

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Mpricelpc

thats what I’ve heard too.

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Ianp66

I had my ablation 5 months ago and still take magnesium,using the same brand, cardio vascular research, and find one a night is enough before bed and much more manageable on the stomach if taken with food, something like a slice of toast .

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Ppiman

So far as I know, the body will only absorb the magnesium it needs, with the remainder excreted in the urine or, mostly, passing unchanged through the gut to be excreted. If more than is needed by the body is taken, such as in the form of a supplement or as a laxative, the excess magnesium ions in the gut force water to be osmotically absorbed in an effort to dilute the magnesium levels. This has the effect of softening the stool and making it easier to pass.

However, if the bowel is extra sensitive to distension (as in IBS) then, as I find myself, colicky pains are the result.

Magnesium taurate contains proportionately small amounts of magnesium and is supposed to be absorbed well - but so far as I can understand, if the magnesium isn't needed by the body, it will still be excreted and so could have some laxative or osmotic effect, hence possibly causing IBS pains in some people. I find that the 600mg tablets / day I take doesn't affect my IBS, whereas if I take a dose of Milk of Magnesia (which has far more magnesium available), it's one of the best laxatives I know - but does cause me to have IBS symptoms.

Steve

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Bagrat

Magnesium glycinate which Sanjay has also mentioned is supposed to be the kindest on the gut. There is a lot of controversy with sprays and creams as to whether much is actually absorbed through the skin ( molecules too big)but I used the spray ( which is called an oil but isn't it's just magnesium in solution) and found it helped . I didn't care why it worked as long as it did but didn't like sticky residue. I only take one 125mg cap of the brand the OP uses and this helps a great deal with ectopics. I love nuts and seeds and spinach so have a good intake of Mg anyway I hope. Realise those are not ideal additions to an IBS prone person's diet! maybe try reducing dose or low dose glycinate

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Alemo27
Alemo27
in reply to Bagrat

Bagrat, I found your approach more reasonable.

I am taking Magnesium citrate capsule 150 ( no other available in store) before bed time, hoping it stops PAF episodes and help with sleeping pattern.

it doesn't helps 100%. Today, at the morning I have severe AF episode.

Unless, I take Bisoprolol as PRN the arrhythmia don't stop,

Thanks God, I can feel the Palpitation.

And of course, I am taking Eliquis that hopefully will prevent from blood clots.

Actually, I confused with all those type of Magnesium that has been discussed here .The keyword is Magnesium , but what and how much is additional substances?

Gupta said that one is not worse than an other..Older people have a bunch of problem, including PAF. Defenetly, personal approach is required.

Can I require dr. for Magnezium red cell test.

The regular one show the Magnezium level is normal.

Thank you

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Bagrat
Bagrat
in reply to Alemo27

I've no idea about the various blood tests for magnesium sorry.

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Drounding

I take the same Mg taurate and I can only tolerate one capsule per dsy . If I take more then my stomach complains. Taking just the one though seems to have stopped my ectopics. Perhaps try just one capsule.

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Samazeuilh

Why not stop the magnesium or halve the dose to see if it does in fact make a difference to either the stomach discomfort or the ectopics? You could always resume taking it. I would also check to see if the magnesium is advised as it is not effective for everyone. Another possibility would be to switch the type of magnesium to, say, magnesium citrate.

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Mpricelpc

Magnesium citrate is mostly for detox and can take magnesium out of your body.

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Samazeuilh

Oh dear....I’ve been using it for quite a while.

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Mpricelpc

I had too but when I passed out and ended up in hospital, I was low in Magnesium. Diagnosed with AFib. Magnesium advocate group on Facebook has good information.

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Samazeuilh

Still not sure how taking mag citrate could take it out of the body. Could you say a bit more about this? I thought that citrate or taurate were both acceptable.

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Jeanette49

To be perfectly honest, I am petrified of stopping the mg completely in case those crazy ectopics return, they go on for hours. I know it makes sense to do it, especially as it could prove once and for all whether the ablation has halted them or indeed it is the mg, thus the ablation would prove to be ineffective.

I am too nervous to try, not sure what my cardiologist will say though. 🤔

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Browncoat

Like you, I've had IBS issues so have been wary over some types of Magnesium. I don't know about the Eliquis, but I've slowly 'built up' my dosage so that I am now taking Magnesium taurate (and another Magnesium 'mix' branded as 'Fullnesium') giving me a combined daily total of ~130mg from Taurate, and another ~130mg from Bisglycinate, Malate, Citrate and Oxide. So far, so good - definately has helped with the PAF.

Maybe, slowly change the dosages, or try another brand?

Like you I also take CoQ10 along with L-Carnitine, Resveratrol and a few other bits and pieces to supplement a largely vegetarian diet (some occasional fish).

Fot the IBS, I found Silicol gel REALLY effective.

Good luck!

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Polski
Polski
in reply to Browncoat

Manesium oxide is not well absorbed, frequently causes diarrhea, and is cheap. Citrate may cause diarrhea if too much is taken. The others should be fine.

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goldfinger88

Taurate generally is not a form of magnesium that effects the gut like that. But, I'm sure it can. I am using Calm now. It has some taurate in it along with two other forms. I also have IBS and it does not bother me. But then, the taurate didn't either. I've been told that ablation sometimes causes odd things with the heart for awhile and then stops. So it may not be the taurate that actually helped that.

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Aufgeblassen

Sanjay Gupta is a quack. Just like Dr. Oz.

sciencebasedmedicine.org/tv...

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Samazeuilh

Which specific claims of Sanjay Gupta indicate that he is a quack? The article you provided the link to does not refer to him, but makes generalised claims about *some* TV doctors -Dr Oz) in particular. Clearly, it doesn’t follow from this that all claims made by all TV doctors are quackish.

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Aufgeblassen

TV doctors get "kickbacks" to promote products.

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Samazeuilh

That doesn’t answer my question as you have not stated specifically what SG has said which is supposed to make him a “quack”.

I don’t see how the fact that *some* TV doctors may get kickbacks for promoting products is relevant to SG as, firstly, he is not a TV doctor and, secondly, he has not promoted a particular brand of magnesium; he has advocated taking a magnesium supplement for some patients-such supplements are available from dozens of different manufacturers.

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stagecoach

There are 2 doctors named Sanjay Gupta, one a "tv" doc on CNN in the US, which you are probably referring to, the other the respected Cardiac consultant and not a "tv" doc in York UK that folks here are referring to.

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Aufgeblassen

That is quite confusing. One of them was (probably not seriously) being considered for Surgeon of General of the United States.

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mbheart
mbheart
in reply to stagecoach

Yes, there are 2 Dr. SGs, and I am not aware that either one are quacks. Can we hear more from those making those claims? What is the evidence?

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AF59
AF59
in reply to Aufgeblassen

Oh dear, I'm always sad when I see your name come up in a thread. Why are you always so depressingly negative? I don't think I have seen an encouraging or supportive statement from you on any threads; someone always seems to get "wound up" by you, something that is not very good for AF sufferers who should be avoiding stress!

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Aufgeblassen
Aufgeblassen
in reply to AF59

It is unfortunately when reality bursts bubbles. Sorry!

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jimbabwe

Quack is reserved for people that hide behind years of academic work and the claim synthetic medicine like amiodarone is the treatment for afib which at best is a mineral deficiency and at worse is a secondary issue from a liver problem.

Your one liner heckles represent the depth of your thinking.

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Aufgeblassen

Meds are ONLY a band aid approach, especially under socialized medicine as a diversion/delay tactic from getting actual cure with an ablation.

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Alessa69

Dr Sanjay Gupta, of York Cardiology , has helped many people. I really do think that perhaps you might need to investigate more thoroughly before discrediting people with such a sweeping statement .

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Aufgeblassen

I think the OP was referring the the OTHER S. Gupta. The bottom line is that a supplement is no substitute for an AF cure.

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Alessa69

Just re read OP.... You might need to think again .

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Aufgeblassen

I certainly did. Not clear at all which Gupta.

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Jeanette49

Perhaps you should have researched it before making such negative comments then, but oh no it was probably my fault for not being specific!!!

Strange how you are the only person in this entire discussion who didn’t know which Sanjay Gupta was being referred to!

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Aufgeblassen

Turns out that supplement has nothing to do with AF. Only a different heart conditions. So the OP can easily stop taking it after already cured with an ablation.

austinchronicle.com/columns...

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Jeanette49

Indeed I was referring to the other Sanjay, he is based in the UK, I come from the UK, anyone with a modicum of intelligence should be able to understand this.

Not everything is about the USA! I suggest you step away from this topic, unless of course your sole purpose is to cause dissension...this would seem probable judging from other members comments about you!!

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Alessa69
Alessa69
in reply to Jeanette49

Well said!

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Aufgeblassen

Yes I figured it was that one. Someone else apparently was confused.

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Jeanette49
Jeanette49
in reply to AF59

Unfortunately these keyboard warriors pop up everywhere these days...best ignored really. Certainly hasn’t wound me up that’s for sure!

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Tikaneko
Tikaneko
in reply to Jeanette49

Nor me, people like this are best ignored!

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AF59
AF59
in reply to Tikaneko

Yep, had my say on his negativity so cheerfully back to ignoring him as is my usual practice. Thankful that other forum members are encouraging and sharing, which makes this a great place to come for positive support, particularly when AF throws you an unexpected curved ball and you need some advice and reassurance that you're not alone.

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Tikaneko
Tikaneko
in reply to AF59

Hear hear xx

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Bagrat
Bagrat
in reply to Aufgeblassen

Sanjay is a respected member of this forum. I have had a consultation with him and can assure you the advice and support did not smell of quackery. I am a retired Clinical Nurse Specialist ( nothing to do with cardiology) and was very grateful for grounded and measured responses to my concerns. I fear you are confused by the US based Dr Gupta about whom I have no knowledge.

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Alessa69
Alessa69
in reply to Bagrat

Well said!!

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Jeanette49

Oh dear, many people on here think highly of him, and put a lot of trust in him. I don’t think your comment will be received too well!

He is not a TV doctor like Dr Oz, but a well respected consultant cardiologist at York Teaching Hospital!

drsanjayguptacardiologist.com

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Coachv
Coachv
in reply to Jeanette49

Other doctors recommend magnesium, I quite like the blog by Dr John drjohnm.org

I think Dr Gupta is a bit of a self publicist but he has some interesting and reassuring ideas and a caring manner. I haven't looked recently, but he also like to discuss things that are not mainstream, and I think this is important; there is not enough challenge of mainstream ideas in medicine generally, and people often get branded as heretics for suggesting new perspectives or for challenging orthodoxies. Although we need to take some things with a pinch of salt generally as there is sometimes a fine line on the internet between radicalism and quackery.

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JaneFinn
JaneFinn
in reply to Jeanette49

I just wanted to agree with you, Jeanette :)

And to confirm to anyone who might be unsure, that when any of us refer to Dr Sanjay Gupta, we mean the highly respected York cardiologist who gives so much of his time for free to help educate, reassure and radically improve the cardiac health of people across the U.K. and beyond. And he is in no respects a quack. Very very far from it. I am pretty outraged that any such accusation can even be associated with him. As you and others have said, the name must have been confused with a self-promoting USA TV doctor of the same name. Our Dr Sanjay Gupta only promotes health and understanding, and does so with humility, wisdom and immense generosity.

(Sorry, if that sounds a bit ranty! But I couldn’t bear anyone skimming through the thread to go away with a false view of someone who does so much good.)

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mbheart
mbheart
in reply to JaneFinn

The US Dr SG is a quack? Based on what evidence?

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JaneFinn
JaneFinn
in reply to mbheart

Sorry, mbheart (and the USA Dr SG) - that was a stupid and careless thing for me to accidentally imply. I know nothing of him, and you were absolutely right to pull me up on that :) x

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mbheart
mbheart
in reply to JaneFinn

No problem -- I appreciate your reply and honestly, I am just really trying to learn if there are concerns about the US Dr. SG as I had not heard anything. Yes, he is on CNN and I do see him on TV but I had not heard anything negative about him.

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JaneFinn
JaneFinn
in reply to mbheart

Thanks mbheart 😊

(Sorry I cant help with that, I hadn’t heard of him at all until this thread 😊) xx

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Janith

I use taurate (one tablet Per day) a small amount (powdered) citrate ... l would never ever give up my magnesium ... the instant l started using it l noticed an immediate improvement in the functionality of my heart.... l additionally take magnesium baths ... my body is probably over loaded with magnesium but blood tests are okay.

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indy64

I use a chelated form of magnesium glycinate I have also started taking taurine, an amino acid. Both magnesium and taurine play a major role in heart rythem function at a micronutrient level. Your simple blood test may say your magnesium level is just fine, but a more accurate blood test is called a RBC magnesium blood test that evaluates the magnesium at a cellular level. It's also no surprise that the magnesium affects your stomach as it is used to aid constipation problems.

An excellent article on how magnesium and other nutrients effect heart arrhythmias cab be found at:

huffpost.com/entry/abnormal...

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13579-2468

I took magnesium taurate and my stomach was really bad. I changed to magnesium glycinate and now have no stomach problems and my heart seems ok.

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brit1

I use Mag Glycinate with no side effects (I buy the Pure Formulas Mag Glycinate)

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Lomcevak

Half a tablet of Aldi 85% dark chocolate a day and one Enzyme Q10 capsuleis what I have taken for a long time with no probs. I listen to everybody then take my own advice!

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Coachv

Me again. I just found this comment from Dr John in a useful blog on the subject which I was prompted to read:

' Some patients report benefit from magnesium supplementation. I have found it helpful in my case of atrial premature beats. Let me repeat, I am not promoting supplements. Healthy patients with benign arrhythmia might try taking magnesium, especially at night. Don’t take magnesium if you have kidney disease. And if you take too much, watch out for diarrhea.'

drjohnm.org/2013/06/benign-...

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silviageci

I take only one a day because it upsets my bowels too, may I ask you how much Coenzime Q10 has your cardiologist prescribed? thank you

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Jeanette49

He advised 100mg three times per day, but I can get a bit forgetful with these kind of instructions, so I found a Co Q10 containing 300 mg and just went with that once a day.

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Jeanette49

My cardiologist emphasised though that the best and most effective form of Co Q10 is ubiquinol, and not ubiquinone

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Madscientist16

Maybe switch to magnesium glycinate. It is also recommended by Dr. Gupta.

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bibibrock

you could try switching to ReMag, a brand of Magnesium in liquid form that gets absorbed easily and without causing stomach issues even at higher doses. I don't often make actual brand recommendations but I have been taking it for years and it works very well for me in keeping my palpitations to a minimum.

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wheezybronch

I think that you maybe should consult a different consultant and run through all your problems. Off the top of my head (not a doctor but have had AF and a successful ablation) I think you should explore the possibility of a repeat ablation. The stress of the added problems of stomach symptoms could in themselves cause Atrial flutter or even AF. Many people suffer AF but as it is paroxysmal can live with it and doctors don't normally consider ablation. Good luck, I hope that you find a solution that suits you.

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JanetMayne

I agree with wheezybronch above. A second ablation might help. My AF returned 24/7 9 months after my first ablation. The second ablation in 2017 has worked better so far, with just occasional episodes which stop on their own.

I still take Flecainide and Bisoprolol though. When I halved the Flecainide the AF got worse.

I do use magnesium oil by BetterYou and try and eat more Magnesium rich foods and also concentrate on Potassium levels (very important too especially if you take diuretics for BP). After being sceptical at first I now believe this may be helping. I don't take supplements.

But I have read of someone who halved his magnesium glycinate dose and his ectopics improved. You can definitely take too much!

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bbthor

Yes magnesium taurate gave me bad stomach aches l can however tolerate magnesium citrate 100mg as long as taken with food ..l do realise however that we are all different with varying degrees tolerance also severity of symptoms..l wish you well..

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SandiBee

I have just started taking the magnesium taurate which I saw was highly rated but only one this morning so far and can't say it has disturbed my stomach unduly though it is early days yet and we are all different! I have previously used flakes in the bath and the oil but not daily and I have a diet fairly rich in magnesium anyway- the last episode was on Saturday just after getting to sleep but was over in an hour thanks to flecainide as PIP!

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