MAGNESIUM TAURATE

[SilverliningsForNow]

I was reading an article by Dr Gupta whereby he recommended magnesium taurate for those of us suffering from atrial fibrillation. His recommended dose was 125 mg twice a day. This seems hard to find in a tablet as most of them are much more than this. Any recommendations where I can find this or do other sufferers take a higher dose? Thanks for your help in advance.

[jeanjeannie50]

I take magnesium and taurine separately. Magnesium glycinate capsules 80mg from YourSupplements (someone on here recommended then to me) and Solgar Taurine from whoever is selling the cheapest online.

Jean

[SilverliningsForNow in reply to jeanjeannie50]

Thanks Jean I will follow your advice. Keep well ❤️

[Espeegee in reply to jeanjeannie50]

Are these any good? They look expensive but there's a 3 month supply - supplementhub.co.uk/product...

[jeanjeannie50 in reply to Espeegee]

I think they are the brand Dr Sanjay Gupta recommended, but once he did they shot up in price.

[Frances123]

I take Magnesium Glycinate from Love Life supplements and I’m with Jane on the Solgar Taurine. Saying that though I had trouble getting Solgar last time and got some from Cytoplan which seems good as well.

[OzJames]

I think you should check as dosages are not always compared correctly.

Example Some capsules will show Magnesium Citrate 500mg of which only a portion is magnesium maybe half. On the other hand the description could say 500mg Magnesium(as magnesium citrate) which indicates it’s all Magnesium. This can also be described as Elemental magnesium. I take Cardiovascular Research Mg Taurate brand which is 125mg of elemental magnesium per capsule

This is my understanding so please correct me if I’m missing the mark.

[Gladstone001 in reply to OzJames]

cardiovascular research Mag Taurate contains 125mg of Mag Taurate. 8.9% of that is elemental magnesium. It’s also very expensive.

[OzJames in reply to Gladstone001]

that’s interesting the bottle I have describes it as magnesium (as Magnesium taurate) 125mg which I understood means it’s that amount. I’d be interested to see where the 8.9% comes from?

[Gladstone001 in reply to OzJames]

Hi OzJames. Some websites do quote elemental magnesium but the Cardiovascular Research bottle and literature is clear that they are quoting the weight of the salt and not of elemental magnesium. You are getting 125mg of Mag taurate in each capsule.

If you google "quantity of elemental magnesium in" then you will get lots of references to the various salts. Mag taurate is 8.9% elemental magnesium. Ethical Nutrition (also recommended by Gupta) is very clear on its website that there is 860mg of mag taurate per capsule giving 75mg of elemental magnesium per capsule. Its very obvious that this is much better value and is made in the UK !

[OzJames in reply to Gladstone001]

thanks for explanation I’ll see if I can get it here

[Tryfan]

Try Ethical Nutrition. A small personal service company. They try hard to please.

[Peony4575]

Biocare a very good company I have used for a long time Magnesium Taurate capsules are 146 twice a day . Not the cheapest but good quality

[Gladstone001]

cheapest magnesium currently maybe Best Immune Mag Taurate and also Mag Glycinate, both available on Amazon. I take 500mg once a day.

[Ppiman]

I suspect the otherwise august and helpful Dr Gupta knows the great importance of the placebo effect when he recommends this specific form of magnesium, myself, since science is not on his side here, so far as I can ascertain, The cardiologist I saw was of a different view but added that as magnesium is safe, it is worth a try for a few months to see what happens.

As regards the dosage, well, from what I can see, since there is no evidence for effectiveness in any trials, any dose that does not upset the tummy would surely be safe. I see 200mg is currently easily available, so that would be a good starting point and would not affect the digestion. Assuming your kidneys are functioning well, magnesium is generally harmless since it is nearly all excreted from the large bowel unabsorbed, hence its very well-proven laxative effect. This means that large doses are pointless as they come straight out, unabsorbed.

The level of taurine in magnesium taurate is far too low to have any effect at all, I gather, so it is only the magnesium itself that just might help. All forms of this have been shown to be sufficiently well absorbed in that respect, whether cheap simple salts like magnesium oxide, or complex and much more profitable organic salts like taurate, picolate and glycinate (which all contain very little actual magnesium, of course).

Steve

[frazeej in reply to Ppiman]

I still find it amazing the amount of money people will enthusiastically spend on different obscure salts of magnesium! Unless the salt is profoundly insoluble in acid (and I don't think ANY magnesium salt would meet this criteria), ANY magnesium compound one takes will be converted to and absorbed as magnesium (+2) ions! You have pointed this out numerous times, but the great debate continues, fueled by reports from Dr. Gupta! Sheesh!

JimF

[Ppiman in reply to frazeej]

Well said, Jim, and wouldn’t we all like him as our consultant? However, if a doctor can’t be guided by scientific evidence, then that worries and surprises me. I expect his explanation would be on the grounds of its safety and the placebo effect (and the more excellently packaged and marketed the product, the higher the placebo response invariably is), but that’s really not a good reason.

You might be interested that one seemingly highly authoritative online study I read makes the claim that magnesium chloride is well absorbed but that magnesium oxide is poorly absorbed. Of course, the reality that the oxide is immediately converted to the chloride in the stomach, and ionised fully, as you point out, must have passed them by.

The internet has become a poor source of information without the awareness required to sort out the genuine from the commercial.

Steve

[Gladstone001 in reply to Ppiman]

Putting aside for one moment whether oral magnesium can mitigate AF, the science of bioavailability is well researched. There are many research papers that conclude that Mag Oxide has very poor bioavailability and the likes of citrate and other salts have higher bioavailability. Try this one (there are mnay others):

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/321...

[Ppiman in reply to Gladstone001]

That intrigued me - thank you! It set me off on an internet search, too, because chemistry in general, and magnesium in particular, has fascinated me since a child. Maybe it was the easy availability of magnesium ribbon and its brilliant white flare when set alight that set my imagination to work? I ended up as an English teacher because my maths skills stopped the chemistry route, but my love of chemistry remains forever alive.

Whilst the measured bioavailability, in general, of large-molecule organic salts often trumps that of small-molecule inorganic salts (thanks, I'd guess, to the tubules in the kidney easily excreting small molecules), confusingly, the pharmacological activity of the latter concerning magnesium trumps the former presumably because en route to the kidney from the distal intestines, it is readily available and highly active (see link below). It needs to be said also that serum magnesium levels are difficult to ascertain since magnesium ions are stored inside the cells.

In terms of taking supplemental magnesium, I remain convinced, from all the studies I have read, that the magnesium obtained from food - meat and vegetable matter are replete - is the way we should take this and all other trace elements. Taking an industrial compound such as magnesium taurate is surely a strange thing to do when the diet is the natural and obvious route? The internet and the placebo effect are a large part of all many people's lives and often, sadly to me, push common sense well to one aside.

Also, I would argue that there should be no shortage of this element in a well-balanced diet since the intake of dietary magnesium far exceeds the body's needs; on top of this, there is a vast bodily reserve of the element because of its vital metabolic importance. And yet, shortages there are. I guess these are likely caused by many people's "ultra-processed" fast-food diets, and, in a minority, by undetected kidney and intestinal issues (for example, caused, occasionally, by PPI antacid usage. This, also, by severely reducing gastric acid levels, might well reduce magnesium availability from magnesium oxide).

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/224...

Steve

[Gladstone001 in reply to Ppiman]

Maybe there is a published medical research paper to prove all and any concepts that we might consider!

[Ppiman in reply to Gladstone001]

It sometimes feels like it!

My interest was sparked many years ago when I was involved with clinical studies and discovered that around a third of people react positively and have side effects even to dummy tablets. That was a revelation to me.

Steve

[RoyMacDonald in reply to Ppiman]

Is there any taurine in magnesium of any kind? It's not something I've ever heard of. None of the magnesium tablets and powders I have make any claim to having taurine in them.

All the best.

Roy

[Ppiman in reply to RoyMacDonald]

I think it's unlikely to be of any consequence to the body, but I suppose taurine is used to manufacture magnesium taurate (I'm not at all sure, though).

If you search "magnesium taurate +taurine", you'll find several non-scientific sites linking the two. Here is one:

tomolivernutrition.com/blog....

Steve

[Brizzy50000]

I get mine on amazon, Biocare 2 tablets a day, been on them for the last 5 years since my ablation and my ectopic's are at an absolute minimum, expensive but worth it

[Gladstone001]

Mag Citrate is 16% elemental magnesium. Mag Glycinate is 14%. Mag taurate is 8.9%.

Mag Oxide is 61% elemental magnesium but is poorly absorbed and is reported to be only 4% absorbed. It is cheap but you need to take a very high dose.

[doodle68]

I take 2 Magnesium Taurate Ethical Nutrition capsules a day

ethical-nutrition.com/?gcli...

Having original brushed off my taking MT, my arrhythmia clinic now suggests it.

We know magnesium is essential along with calcium to help the heart to beat and if you don't take enough in your diet you could be deficient . So as long as you don't regularly take a massive dose and stick to the recommended dose (or half is you eat a lot in your diet) it makes sense to me to make sure you have an adequate amount and to take a good quality supplement.

I no longer buy anything I am consuming from Amazon having found a previous order had been opened and tampered with (seal broken only half the correct number of tablets) I have also taken BioCare from the manufacturers but now have a regular order at a reduced price from Ethical Nutrition . If I stop taken them I get more ectopic.

[Domino49]

Hi. I watched his video and read his article 3 years ago while I was waiting to be diagnosed… was suffering from a lot of ectopics and bouts of afib. I was relatively sure what I had but had a long wait for a cardiology appt. So in the meantime I purchased the one he recommended which was Cardiovascular Research magnesium taurate 125g. For me it was a godsend. The relief I got was unbelievable. Ectopics all but ceased after a few days as did episodes of afib. have never stopped taking it. Take it twice a day and wouldn’t be without it. Cardiology had no problem with me taking it. I used to get it from Amazon… the price did go up and down a lot. Last two occasions I have needed to purchase it it wasn’t available. I found it on iHerb … the often have discount codes … and it was cheaper than I had previously paid.

[Cabinessence]

No one so far in this thread has said whether their intake of Magnesium Taurate or whatever other Mg derivative, actually controls their AFib. Which is surely the salient point here?😂

[Gladstone001 in reply to Cabinessence]

Thanks for getting us back on track! Yes, I can confirm that a cocktail of magnesium taurate (or glycinate) plus CoQ10 (Ubiquinol) and L-Carnitine really helps control ectopic beats and help prevent the onset of an AF event.

[bobbyp28 in reply to Cabinessence]

See Gorden's post just above!! But your post/point is well taken!!!!!