magnesium taurate

[kitttycat]

Hello good morning, can someone tell me what the difference is between magnesium taurate and other kinds of magnesium. I see so many posts where where this seems to be the recommended type of magnesium to take. Thank you very much

[BobD Volunteer]

There are lots of different types of magnesium supplements, Mg citrate, Mg oxide etc but apparently Mg Taurate is most easily absorbed.

[kitttycat in reply to BobD]

Hi Bob, I responded to you but dont see my answer. Thank you for getting back, this answers my question. thanks again.

[sleeksheep]

Here is quick summary of various forms of magnesium .

aor.us/forms-of-magnesium/

There are complementary uses for the various magnesiums , I take mag.taurate and taurine because they have more than one benefit.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/869...

The effects of magnesium taurate in diabetes deserve particular attention, since both magnesium and taurine may improve insulin sensitivity, and also may lessen risk for the micro- and macrovascular complications of diabetes.

[kitttycat in reply to sleeksheep]

thank you for your response, had no idea there were so many forms of magnsium..

[execz1]

magnesium taurate is a combination of two different elements, magnesium and Taurine. Taurine is said to be good for heart health.

[kitttycat in reply to execz1]

hi thanks for your note, appreciate this informatin and confirmation.

[Ppiman]

If you want anecdotal differences, you'll find many positive comments on this particular compound of magnesium. I wish it had done something useful for me, but there you are.

For a scientific view, there’s nothing to suggest that any form of oral magnesium has any truly worthwhile or useful effect on the heart or on any arrhythmias. I've searched Google Scholar and been able to find no evidence for oral magnesium. Also, it has been shown that, whatever people feel to be the case, in reality there is no difference of importance between the various forms of magnesium. The evidence is that all forms of magnesium are easily and sufficiently well absorbed to bring levels up to normal.

I also found - no surprise - that the best form of all is that which occurs naturally in all vegetable matter, mostly as chlorophyll in green leaves, but also in nuts, pulses and similar. This natural form is said to be the best since it comes along with so many other useful micronutrients that aren't available in a purified industrial chemical tablet.

The "taurate" part is an attempt to sell the benefits of the natural amino acid "taurine" which some feel is helpful. If it is - and the science is lacking again - the quantities needed to be effective are vastly higher than magnesium taurate can ever hope to offer unless you want a laxative action from the magnesium. Taurine is better taken separately, but there seems to be evidence that it can come with side effects.

Steve

[Gladstone001 in reply to Ppiman]

Agreed, if you want to supplement with Taurine, taking Mag Taurate is NOT the way to do it. Best to take the amino acid in its direct form.

[Ppiman in reply to Gladstone001]

That’s good advice. There’s so little taurine in those tablets as to be meaningless.

Steve

[frazeej in reply to Ppiman]

Thank you Steve, for once again pointing out to the folks that a) the only difference between the various forms of magnesium supplements is the price, and b) the only evidence for Mg doing anything for afib is anecdotal, and even that is sketchy!

[Ppiman in reply to frazeej]

I often wonder just where the idea of its being a panacea arose. I think it's because it is used in emergency treatment of ventricular arrhythmias in ICU but only ever by infusion and the idea trickled down from there. Eddy really, there seems to be not a shred of worthwhile evidence for it and yet it is promoted very widely on the internet and social media, even by a few doctors. A friend takes it to help him sleep but he never sleeps well. I always ask him if the magnesium helps and he assures me it does!

Steve

[riffjack846 in reply to Ppiman]

I'd have to disagree as Magnesium being a mostly anecdotal remedy for irregular heatbeat. Both times I was in the ER for Afib they hooked me up to a Magnesium IV and both times I was converted to NSR without a Cardioversion. I'd agree taking oral Magnesium daily might help ectopics a bit since Mag relaxes the heart but you'd have to take higher doses of absorbable Mag (glycinate) daily for a while to see any effect at a cellular level. Anyway that's what the Cardiologist said to me last time in ER here in the States.

[Ppiman in reply to riffjack846]

Ah, but you must have have misread my post. My apologies if I was less than clear. My point concerned only the home use of oral magnesium, not the hospital use of parenteral magnesium sulphate IV solution used for such as ventricular arrhythmias, ectopics and tachycardia.

It is oral forms of magnesium that are so heavily promoted commercially and on the internet but with no scientific justification ever offered for the claims made. Search as I might, using even Google Scholar, I can find no proper evidence for its effectiveness when taken orally. Some sites even promote its use in bathing and as a foot cream claiming near-miraculous effects from dermal absorption. Goodness me what the internet allows these dubious companies to get away with.

The problem with the oral form could be that the intestinal absorption of any and all magnesium salts is very limited by the intestines with most of any oral dose being excreted by the large bowel. This is an important self-protective system, I guess, since excess magnesium (hypermagnesaemia) will affect potassium metabolism and that can be very dangerous. From my reading, it seems that all forms of magnesium are similarly absorbed, with the organic salts such as taurate and glycinate perhaps being somewhat better, but not, so far as I can discover, in any meaningful way.

If you can point me to any genuine studies that show oral magnesium salts preventing AF or other arrhythmias, I would be very grateful. I've tried various kinds, mostly taurate, for maybe a year or so and it did nothing for my AF or ectopics. Indeed, I used to take Milk of Magnesia regularly over many years as an antacid and mild laxative and my arrhythmia problems continued throughout that period.

What I think about magnesium is that it is a safe thing to take and this is simply because the amount that the body will absorb is very safely limited. if it works for a person, whether because of a placebo effect or some other means, then that is wonderful for them and it does no harm.

Steve

[kitttycat in reply to Ppiman]

thanks for this response this is interesting information

[Brizzy50000]

I have been taking magnesium turate for the past 4 years after suffering from a lot of ectopic's after my ablation and can say my ectopic's have nearly ceased completely

[Ppiman in reply to Brizzy50000]

I took magnesium for about a year and it did nothing, sadly. However, my ectopics very a great deal over time for reasons I can’t discover. Sometimes I have months of them, then months of freedom from them - same with AF itself.

Steve

[kitttycat in reply to Brizzy50000]

Thank you for letting me know this this is great to hear.

[Gladstone001]

Magnesium Glycinate and Taurate have different levels of elemental magnesium. Glycinate is 14% and Taurate is 9%. They are both well absorbed and bioavailable. In my experiments and tests, both do the same job and seriously help with AF. There is a price difference but its getting closer as taurate is now made in the UK. For a 500 or 600mg capsule, taurate is approx 17p a capsule and Glycinate is approx 10p a capsule. It is worth trying both to see what works for you.

Magnesium Oxide may appear to be a good bet as its 60% elemental magnesium and its cheap. However, it is very poorly absorbed and you would need a bucketful every day to get a good intake of elemental magnesium. It also gives you the shits! Thats why it is used as a laxative! Mag Glycinate, in my tests, is the compound least likely to cause the shits at daily intakes of around 500mg.

[Ppiman in reply to Gladstone001]

You’re lucky and I would say unusual. Perhaps you had a genuine deficiency of magnesium? No clinical studies that I can fined replicate such a finding although anecdotally there are people who gain relief, for sure

Steve

[kitttycat in reply to Gladstone001]

hi thanks for getting back to me. appreciate it

[Gladstone001]

There is a lot of research published online which mostly conclude the positive benefits of Magnesium.

bmccardiovascdisord.biomedc...

openheart.bmj.com/content/5...

are both worth a read.

The joy of this forum is that many folk have tried various Magnesium compounds to help with Ectopic beats, AF and AT and most have reported that the magnesium supplementation has helped them.

[kitttycat in reply to Gladstone001]

thanks for these links I will check this out.

[kitttycat]

hello liem 2013 yes this does help thanks so much for this response.

[Rainfern]

Am I too late to add to this debate? I just wanted to say that the reason some of our raspberry bushes and brassica plants fail to thrive on our allotment is a lack of magnesium in the soil. In researching this problem I discover that much of UK agricultural ground has become magnesium depleted, so I'm not alone having a magnesium deficiency and it's pretty common throughout UK. Currently being treated by enriching our soil with Epsom salts.

[kitttycat in reply to Rainfern]

Hi Rainfern thanks for this information. Very interesting. I think I will read up on this. Thanks again.