Michael Moseley, Fast 800, ketone diets

[Bongo4]

I think the program is to advertise the expensive book/ meal plan/ website or whatever, and the Mail is helping them cash in, which is fine, it spreads good knowledge, but not all of us have a spare £100, so further thought may be profitable

In my online researches I found it's only safe for two weeks because after that it makes your brain sleepy. Perhaps.

Also, pears are less sweet than bananas(?) Banana is known for being high in carbohydrates and fruit grown in low sunshine levels produce less sugar, (which is why strawberries need sun)

Ok I'm now trawling through 'River Cottage Veg Every Day' for a DIY version, probably curry without rice, soup without bread, salad without cold potato ..... maybe it'll work

Reintroduce cold potato and porridge oats and brown rice and wholemeal bread after the first two weeks is up, and stay like that in the long term

We like what we're used to, so getting used to something good for us, is good for us

[moreless Administrator 7 stone]

Welcome back, Bongo4

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[Hidden]

Woooh, £100 pound for a book and meal plan, not worth it for me. I was interested in the fitness bit, about when your exercising see what your pulse is and how quickly it recovers, if your fit it should drop below 113 in a minute. I tried this this morning, as my fit bit watch keeps telling me I am in excellent condition for a person of my age🤣🤣 .Tested my self after my walk, pulse 154 and dropped to 72 inside the minute. Guess for a fatty I must have some level of fitness. What surprised me more was within 10 seconds pulse dropped to 85, although I did sit down so perhaps one has to stand and do it, I didn’t think about that till after I did it. 😁

[Subtle_badger in reply to Hidden]

I don't think it was 113, it was dropping at least 13 beats in a minute. I had to turn subtitles on to decode that bit.

It's a really sloppy program. A line as important as that should have been re-recorded.

[Hidden in reply to Subtle_badger]

🤣🤣I rewinded it about five times and I couldn’t quite catch what he was saying🤣🤣I must need my ears syringing.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Wasn’t as clever as you didn’t think to put subtitles on! 🤣

[Subtle_badger in reply to Hidden]

No, me too. I was watching it on the app, so turned on the captions.

[Hidden in reply to Subtle_badger]

Very clever of you, that’s why I always call myself dim, I don’t often think until much later.

[Read4 in reply to Hidden]

Morning Prunes28 please don’t call yourself dim. We all process information and learn in different ways. I’ve worked with children for over 20 years and they are all different. Obviously children grow up to be adults! So we continue to learn and process info in different ways. Some people just ‘get it’, over people need to think it over and other people need to access the info in different ways, ie seeing it, hearing it, doing it. All of those ways are ok. I think most ‘intelligent’ people have a really good memory; they are able to recall things that they have heard in the past. Be kind to yourself and just accept you as you. Xx

[Hidden in reply to Read4]

Aw thank you for your kind words! I think I use the word dim to prepare people that I will probably make mistakes, or look at things in a different way. I also don’t have a good filter, and probably upset people, or say things slightly inappropriately. I often realise when I read things back, well most of the time, I sometimes cringe at what I have written. Often I say things in the wrong manor, even when I am trying to say something nice. I read one post on here and I could not for the life of me work out why the person was upset, I read the comment as a great compliment. I guess we are all different and life would be boring if we were all the same. Thanks again for your kind words.

[Subtle_badger]

I agree that Moseley seem to be trying to cash in, but you can follow the diet quite cheaply. I borrowed the book from the library.

It is quite safe to stay low carb for as long as you want. Once you adapt to it, most people report mental clarity. You require very little glucose and if you don't get it in your diet, your liver can create it via gluconeogenesis. I would not stick with the 800kcal for more than a month or two.

I've been low carb for 8 months.

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[Cosmo501 Restart May 2024]

Hi Bongo4,

If anyone is interested to buy any associated books to go along with the show, you definitely don't have to spend much money. I picked up his book yesterday for a couple of quid online.... (library is closed these days)-- and don't worry about having a sleepy brain.. (interested to know where you might have read that?).. my personal experience of very low carb longer term is much greater mental clarity.

I've not watched much of the show, but it seems to be creating quite a stir, and I think you're right, that regardless of his financial benefit from it, he's definitely spreading good knowledge!

[Hidden in reply to Cosmo501]

Thank you for that information, was it eBay , I don’t have eBay account.

[Cosmo501 Restart May 2024 in reply to Hidden]

It was Amazon... if I’m allowed to mention specific shops?!? 😊

[Hidden in reply to Cosmo501]

Thank you, I use them all the time. Not sure if we are or not as I am pretty knew to forum. I guess it would get deleted if you are not allowed to say. Many thanks.

[slipstick Maintainer 2st 7lbs]

I have found the programs interesting so far and certainly Moseley makes his living from his books and other merchandise but that's not illegal or even immoral. I'll be interested to see what he suggests for after the 3 weeks because while I'm sure that low carb is safe long term for those who choose that way of eating I'm equally sure that 800 cal long term isn't practical. It's basically a modern "crash diet" and to be fair Moseley more or less said as much.

[Hidden in reply to slipstick]

i too have found the programme very interesting, and 800 calories long term doesn’t seem enough, although I think the diet will just be tweaked after three weeks. I wonder how much most of them have lost? I guess the plan will be to eat the same but more calories.

[Subtle_badger in reply to Hidden]

The long term maintenance plan in the book is "Mediterranean", plus one or two "fasting" days of 800kcal each week.

[Hidden in reply to Subtle_badger]

Oh thanks for that, very interesting. I didn’t know much about Low carbs, till I started reading lots of posts on here. Every time I have been on a diet I think I just naturally drop the carbs, and always seem to loose weight. I’m not good at measuring food, but the weight does seem to drop. I always full of the wagon when life events interfere, then my good intentions go by the way side. Perhaps not this time!

[Gizmocat Moderator 13kg Maintainer in reply to Hidden]

Stick with the low carbs! The beauty of it is you don't have to weigh and measure everything. Just eat when you are hungry and eat healthy fats e.g full fat Greek yogurt, cheese,eggs etc to keep you full. As you have found it does work and it's sustainable long term. Keep reading posts on here. Have you seen the LCHF forum?

[Hidden in reply to Gizmocat]

Thanks for that I am trying to, apart from I suffer with terrible constipation when ever I diet, even though I eat so much fresh veg, lots of greens and salad, plenty of water. The only thing that helps my constipation is melon and prunes don’t know why, but the combination of both seem to get things moving. Other then that everything else in my diet is based upon LCHF.

[Bongo4]

I think it's probably 2 weeks of low carb 800 Cal's diet sandwiched between the first and last programmes, with a lot of confusing useless stats in the middle show

[zj215]

I thought abou this, Moseley has just had a massive gift of national PR for his products. To be fair he did not mention his book nor was it mentioned at the end of the two aired programmes. I wonder what weight watchers or slimming world have to think about this publicity. It is wrapped up in 'research' though I haven't evaluated how balanced his research is. There are lots of people out there who have had good results of course with these low carb diets. I did not buy a book I want to approach this differently as a lifestyle change and not a 'diet' as you can fall off a diet regime. I don't want to give myself that. I'm thinking a bit more broadly this time.

[BridgeGirl Administrator 2 stone in reply to zj215]

Hello and welcome, zj215 😊

I agree with you about the publicity but Mosley's approach is far removed from and far more sound than Slimming World and Weight Watchers. I think it's scandalous that the NHS refers people to those two organisations, rather than skilling up their staff to give advice and support that works. The low carb approach as a whole is certainly a lifestyle approach, not a diet, though the Fast 800 intro to it is a diet, in my eyes.

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[Subtle_badger in reply to BridgeGirl]

Have your read the Fast800 book? It seemed to me to be an excellent introduction to low carb.

This TV show, not so much. But it still has 1/3 to go, and that's plenty of time to talk about a low carb lifestyle.

Oh, I don't believe they will, but they could.

[BridgeGirl Administrator 2 stone in reply to Subtle_badger]

No, I haven't read it. I meant the approach - the whole idea of rapid weight loss - is a diet in my eyes. But you and I differ about that.

As I've said elsewhere, Mosley knows what's what and it would be good to see him using his profile to get the message over clearly, but I do realise these programmes are meant as entertainment.

[Subtle_badger in reply to zj215]

WW and SW can think what they like. Though their approaches mirror what the NHS tells us.

Fast800 is based on solid science, and kicked me off on a journey that has me as my lightest as an adult where I am pretty sure I can stay. Molesey hasn't been given a gift, he has made a TV program. It's a product that channel 4 needs. You could argue that the BBC should get a share of his 5:2 and Fast800 earnings, but I don't see a conflict here. Everyone on screen at channel 4 is making content on the hope increasing their personal brand and making themselves rich. As Moseley has helped me get well, I am not going to begrudge him. Though I wish he wasn't selling shakes.

[Bongo4 in reply to Subtle_badger]

It got me wanting to see what they were eating, and you can't find out without paying! That was frustrating, that's all, but they've done the meal plans for you and are selling them, and that's the way the world works!

[Subtle_badger in reply to Bongo4]

I luckily explored this last year, so was able to get the book from the library.

I didn't follow his actual recipes much. I avoided all the beige carbs, made up my own meals, and entered all the data into an app (chronometer, there are many others). Checked the carbs were low each day (hoped for under 20, was happy with under 50, more than that, pledged to improve). I monitored my calories, but if I was hungry, ate more!

So you could totally do what I did with the info provided on the program.

[Bongo4]

Yes, it never occurred to me to try low carbs before I saw the programme, now I've been looking it up online and revised my meal plans, taking white carbs and the occasional biscuit far more seriously than before.

I don't want to go on the motorway in a lightheaded or irritable state so I may go straight to stage two and have two carb free days a week, still thinking about it not sure yet

[BridgeGirl Administrator 2 stone in reply to Bongo4]

The programme has done some good, then

Have you looked at the Daily Diary? You'll find plenty of members there with active lives who eat low carb. They'll be happy to answer any questions.

Here's a good Q&A from a very knowledgeable forum member healthunlocked.com/nhsweigh...

[Subtle_badger in reply to Bongo4]

If you have to go on the motorways, that may be best. But I have been low carb for 8 months and was only irritable or light headed for the first few weeks. If you can power through that, you mental clarity improves. Also your physical response. I am out-performing by pre-lchf pre-menopause (11 years pre-menopause) cycling speeds since I went low carb. I am faster in my 50s than I was in my 30s fuelled by carbs. Makes me sort of angry with my 36 year old self, who rejected the idea of Atkins. 😡

[Bongo4 in reply to Subtle_badger]

Everyone's different! I used to run a lot and do circuit training and yoga to make me better at judo, now I prefer to relax in my paddling pool.

I was incredibly active until an early menopause caused debilitating fatigue and consequent weight gain

Obviously diversity in sports choices and in meal choices is good for resilience in a community , if you want to use numbers and cycle good for you, go for it!

Ok so now it's low -as -possible carbs given amino acid requirements

I want to sort this the way I sorted my finances: first settle down into a newer better lifestyle, then secondly forget I ever had to think about it

[Bongo4]

I think my next step is to re-read the nutrition chapter at the end of 'Immunity, the science of staying well' by Dr Jenna Macciochi, who is a university lecturer teaching Immunity.

I've made a lot of lifestyle changes based on recommendations in the book, and hurray I feel twenty years younger!

Apparently vegetarians need to make proteins out of amino acids, some of which are in rice (combine with lentils) and bread, (combine with beans)

I could still make a difference by switching fruits and keeping potato for a weekend treat, instead of sugary treats