"Secondly, the nhs have qualified health advisors providing the nation with sound information. They have researchers and other professionals such as doctors, dieticians and nutritionists and not u tubers stating their opinion."
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I think your trust in the NHS on the subject of nutrition is misplaced. Almost everyone in the UK is aware of what the NHS tells us is healthy eating, yet 2/3 of are are overweight, millions have type II diabetes (a disease that was very rare even in the 1980s), and more than 1/3 of us have pre-diabetes. There are only two possible reasons: either the diet is hard to follow or the diet doesn't work.
For me, it sort of worked for the first 30 years I followed it, but it quietly damaged my metabolism so over the last ten years I had become obese, and my blood sugar was climbing. Focusing on following the EatWell Guide, watching fats, sugars and salts did nothing. When I basically ignored all the advice and stopped snacking and filling my plate with pasta and rice, and then my weight dropped so now I am inside the healthy BMI range for the first time in my adult life.
The NHS and PHE look at the obesity and diabetes epidemics, and wring their hands, but then keep doubling down on the same dietary recommendation that they have been making since just before the rates of both started skyrocketing.
Your idea of female solidarity is to reassure someone that what they are doing is healthy, even if you know that doing it made you sick. I think real sisterhood is telling someone the truth, and trusting they are strong enough to accept it.
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One of the weird things about Modern Britain is that telling the truth is likely to get you publicly pilloried. People have never really liked hearing the truth, but there's definitely a growing philosophical position that everybody's version of the truth is equally valid (I suspect this grew out of terrible experiments in education back in the 1970s). Coupled with that has been a steady erosion of the underpinnings of science, particularly the Popperian contributions to the art.
The word "judgemental" also crops up a lot these days. If you make any sort of judgement, that makes you judgemental. The optimum position (apparently) is to make no judgement, ever, about anything. This conveniently avoids the need to have to learn any facts about anything, because you never need to call upon any facts in order to make judgements.
As for your experience, I'm always amazed by the posts that state something along the lines of "I've been eating healthily for years but I'm fat and ill", the poster apparently unaware of the logical contradiction in there. I can't criticize too much because 20 years ago, that would have been me (like you, I did low-fat for years ... and got slowly fatter). Still, when someone points out the contradiction, you'd think the lightbulb would go on. Sometimes it does, but often it doesn't.
There's an opportunity right now for PM to sort this out (apologies for bringing politics into an apolitical forum). But will he take it???? bbc.co.uk/news/health-53514170
Crikey. Appealing to Boris Johnson to sort out obesity is a bit like appealing to Jair Bolsonaro to sort out global deforestation. He wouldn't know where to start, which means he's going to listen to a whole load of BS from well-placed experts.
To be fair, although the article mentions "calories in/calories out", the rest of the argument is not unreasonable.
Dr David Unwin has been into the Dept of Health quite a bit recently which is encouraging. What is less encouraging is that the ‘obesity tsar’ says that obesity is not about what we eat. 😱
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So today’s headline is GP’s are to prescribe cycling as a new obesity strategy!
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I’m all for cycling & when I did a job in London in 2019 I was so glad to use the dedicated cycle lanes. I hope other towns and cities follow suit. If I win the euro millions I’d spend it all on creating a canal path cycle track near us for safe cycling for families. BUT I was still at my fattest ever when I commuted 12 miles a day by bike.
(Yup, that's what I looked like when the consultant would not believe I was following the eatwell guide and exercising)
If you have a mass participation ride, like RideLondon, watch the bodies of the riders. There will be plenty of racing snakes, but also plenty of obese individuals and many many with visceral obesity - aka beer belly, and they are keeping up with the other riders, which shows they exercise regularly. You can't cycle 100miles in 8 hours without plenty of training.
Someone dies of natural causes on RL every year, and plenty of others are taken in an ambulance.; there is no evidence these devoted athletes are any healthier than other apparently healthy members of our society.
Thank-you. I am lucky I only got the edge of obese that you see in that photo (BMI around 30.3). I have been blessed with good enough genes, that it took 30+ years of high carb to break my metabolism.
That’s encouraging, I’ve only go t two stone to loose to get to the edge of obese, 😁 I wish I had those good genes, we all have fat thighs in my family🤣🤣
Fat thighs are great! the more you put on below your waist, the better.
If you have a slim (or relatively slim) waist, that's great for your longevity.
So, you have 5 stone to lose? SofaJockey can show you the way!
It can be done. I won't say with ease, but if you can make the changes, it won't be that hard. I don't miss the foods I have given up - and I am thinking again about whether I will have the wood fired pizza I have nearly promised myself. Giving up carbs is not as hard as one might imagine.
Yes sounds bad when you say that! I have been 8.2, still had fat thighs though! Or in my head I did. I’m just concentrating on getting to 14.13 because it sounds so much better then 15 stone, hopefully by the end of September, although it doesn’t really matter when. Then I will shift the focus to get to 14.7 then shift again to get to 13.13. And so on. Too hard if I think about loosing 5 stone.That’s how I motivate myself. Really though I want to be able to enjoy walking as it makes me feel good, hopefully new insoles will help! Fingers crossed.
No problem, I’m thick skinned as I have a lot of it🤣 I must admit I can really laugh at myself but wouldn’t want to take pictures! I bet it helps many people! I don’t think I could fast but I know a lot of people do. I could give up anything quite easily but my two problems is portion size and not always being able to walk.
Calorie reduction will work for anyone in the short term, and for some people in the long term.
I'd be shocked if he hadn't lost weight, especially as he presumably lost some in ICU.
Oh, and I saw boris "in the wild" on his bike cycling away from parliament back before he was mayor. Cycling didn't seem to be keeping him slim back then.
What I do hope doesn't happen is that a crackdown on obesity falls into the old habits of advocating calorie counting, low fat foods, eating fruit and demonising fat. Advice that would appear to have failed generations of dieters.
I was just familiarising myself with this site and saw your comment about calorie counting and eating fruit etc.
I started calorie counting a couple of days ago as my BMI tells me quite clearly that I am obese. I thought that this sounded like good advice for me as I have made the changes to my meals, ie wholegrain, 5 a day, brown rice, bran flakes.
Please would you give me what consider the best approach is for sustainable weight loss?
My downfall is bad snacking habits and I do know that it is a major problem that I have to address .
From my perspective, I think calorie counting isn't ideal because it doesn't focus on changing what you eat rather than how much of it.
I've cut out unnecessary foods entirely, such as bread, rice, pasta and potato. Fruit contains natural sugars so I think it should be eaten in minimal quantities. 5 a day vegetables? Absolutely. 5 a day fruit? Really bad idea.
I think the sustainable approach to weight loss is to find healthy unprocessed foods (meat, fish, vegetables, and healthy full-fat items) that make you feel full-up and are a nutritional approach that can be continued after reaching a healthy weight.
So many people calorie count then yo-yo back to and beyond the weight they started.
I was certainly a crisp addict when I was approaching morbid obesity, but thankfully after losing 7 stones-ish, that snack addiction has largely gone. I still have a couple of healthy snacks in a day such as yoghurt with some double cream, or some walnuts, or olives or a couple of cheese crackers.
But don't take my word for it, I'm no nutritionist.
This classic video 'The Skinny on Obesity' is well worth catching the first 10 minutes of (or more), to cover the nutritional principles.
Thank you so much SofaJockey. You say you arent an expert but it sounds like you have made a big difference to your life achieving such a big weight loss.
I hope to take on as much official advice and advice from peoples own experiences to build up my own healthier lifestyle .
I think eating for me has become a habit rather than because I am hungry.
I just wanted to let you know that I am sorry if any friction was caused on my account between you and Camella.
I have about 4 stone to lose and know this wont be easy. I do believe that I can see both sides of the argument,believe me , going from the amount of comfort food I eat to nothing between meals is a real task but I am starting off without inbetweens and seeing how I cope. If I feel I will fail , maybe I could add 3 a week or something.
I felt that I needed you to know that I am trying to listen to you both.
Don't worry at all. It was me that Camella took exception to.
I hope you can take on board all the information you'll see around here and come up with a plan that will work for you, for good
The important thing is to eat well. If you're feeling hungry, remember that and plan for bigger meals the next day. Just eat real food, home cooked; eat when you're hungry and stop when you're full. This is a straightforward plan phcuk.org/wp-content/upload... If you use it when you're planning your shopping and meals, you won't go far wrong
What a lovely apology. As BridgeGirl says, it wasn't me.
I just worried that if someone posted asking for support, and the responses turned into an angry squabble, that person might just decide it wasn't the place for them. I am glad to see you are made of sterner stuff.
(for the record, BG did not deserve that attack. She's a volunteer who gives a lot of time to support dieters. And telling people the truth doesn't always seem nice, but it actually is the nicest thing you can do)
I have a letter from an NHS consultant that basically calls me a liar. She told my GP that she had advised me to cut down the fat in my diet and exercise more. I had told her I ate low fat, and exercised at least an hour a day. I even got out my phone to show her strava, that had recorded about 150km of riding that week. She didn't believe any of that, because I wouldn't have been obese if it was true.
Like SofaJockey, I have taken a few turns to reach the point. I set out to lose maybe 2stone, I have lost 3. I think when I describe what I did, you will think it was hard. It wasn't. It's a new way of approaching food, and I think it is for life.
It's a mixture of low carb and intermittent fasting. It's a great change to what I was eating before, but I think I can live with it.
I am at the opposite end at the moment but I really want to succeed for myself this time so wheras I am hearing success stories from strong motivated people, I know there is more than the weight issue that I have to deal with . All advice is greatly appreciated and motivation will keep me reaching forward to my goal.
You would be surprised how many of us following a proper healthy eating plan, and who lost weight by doing so, aren't "strong motivated people". In my low-fat diet days, I would occasionally eat an entire cheesecake in a sitting. I'm definitely one of those people who doesn't have a whole lot of self-control. I have some pretty embarrassing stories in my cupboard of skeletons (mostly not involving food). Thing is, I rarely even have the urge to eat cheesecake these days, and if I do, I can't even manage a full slice.
The point about healthy eating is this:
1) Eating behaviour is almost entirely autonomic. You have basically zero control over it. It's driven by hormones and dumb, reptilian bits of your brain. If you eat the wrong foods for a long period of time, these mechanisms go haywire. And a lot of people are eating the wrong foods, because TPTB keep telling us those foods are "healthy".
2) Once you start eating proper food, all those mysterious stone-age mechanisms will breathe a metaphorical sigh of relief and start working properly, and it happens almost immediately. You probably can't believe that. I didn't either, but I was prepared to give it a go. I hesitate to use the word, but it's quite miraculous.
Subtle_badger : stories like that make me think nothing is going to change from the top down. When someone shows you hard facts and you refuse to believe them, you're in religious-cult territory.
Before I ate low carb, I had to eat every 3 hours. I had to. Or I would start shaking, lose motor control, be confused, incoherent. That’s just who I was I thought and I so I needed to eat often. And not strangely I was a bit tubby.. After 7 months of eating a low carb diet I no longer need to snack. I can eat my meals a hour or two later too. If you need to snack, in the way I did, it’s not a question of willpower or habit. You need to change your physiology. It’s possible. The answer is to eat food that does not need a lot of insulin to process it, and in turn, this reduced insulin production makes our bodies much more able to hear true hunger, that relates to how much fat we have on our bodies going spare, rather than hunger because our metabolic hormones have got confused and it’s easier for our bodies just to eat more.
I am frustrated by this idea that there is consensus in the NHS about diets and the impact of insulin, on obesity and rebates type 2 diabetes. I am frustrated when people read the NhS website and assume it is a careful considered judgement, supported by ongoing cutting edge research. It isn’t. It would be nice if it was, but wishful thinking does not make it so. And there is dispute here just as there is in every scientific field., The cutting edge research is being done by a NHS drs, such as Dr David Unwin and Dr Aseem Malholtra, showing heart disease, T2 diabetes and obesity can be reversed by a low carb diet. Their findingS - as well as a bucket of research from the US - is slowly being heard but have not filtered through to the healthy eating advice.
This site and the people here have changed my life. I heard about low carb here and I not only feel better in myself than I have for twenty years, I am thin. I have wanted to be both thin and not hungry for 30 years. And I now am. BUT I will confess I needed my mind changing when I first got here. I was wholly signed up to complex carbs like quinoa and Bulgar wheat. I could not believe they were getting in the way of my weight loss. Ultimately though I realised I wanted to be thin more than I wanted to be right. So I opened my mind to something different. And here I am.
Today I am wearing shorts I never thought I would get back into. They are a sort of bright khaki, twill, knee length. I love them. But they are a bit big now. I count nothing. I measure nothing, I employ zero willpower. I need no cheering on (now). I don’t do detailed and careful food planning. I just eat food that does not contain more than a scattering of carbs. I just don’t like carby food anymore. I dare anyone who has had a weight problem, to say to me they also now have a washboard stomach from following the NHS advice and it has taken no effort or willpower.
This sounds like really good advice. I eat wholemeal /granary if I have bread. I have bran flakes, skimmed milk, poached/grilled chicken etc
If you get the time someday would you send me an idea of some low carbs and the portion sizes you use. I thought it was carbs that fill you up so daily thought they were needed.
Oh I used to eat bran flakes by the sack. With raisins. No milk. And then I discovered they contain so much sugar I might as well have eaten haribo.
I will suggest foods, but portion sizes? forget that. Eat according to what your body tells you. If you are hungry eat some more. If you feel full. Leave what’s on your plate. Only your body knows what it needs, not some random stranger On a forum!
Breakfast - I eat seeds (pumpkin & chia), berries, (Formerly frozen as cheaper), and loads of Greek yoghurt - the highest fat the shop has. I might add some whipped double cream. At the weekend I have bacon. sausages and mushrooms - eggs are fine too but they aren’t for me
Lunch - salad with tuna/ham/ blue cheese, loads of olive oil, Olives, avocado Etc. Bacon and white cabbage fried in butter also features.
Supper - we eat beef 4-5 times a week. We fry mince with spices & Tomato paste., and eat with fried chopped leeks, cabbage, cauliflower rice. Maybe grated cheese and sour cream too. That’s what we like but there are lots of recipes out there. We eat chicken cooked in cream and pesto a bit. Or wrapped in bacon. Then if we have pudding, we eat berries again with double cream. I love cream! Oh yes and Keto meatloaf is wondrous.
Snacks - well usually instead if lunch if I am busy. Cheese. And more cheese. Salted almonds. But I needed snacks in the first couple of months of low carb.
I’ve been a member for just one day and was really pleased to stumble across this lively conversation. It covers the very things that I am trying to unlearn. It’s hard to put aside advice when it comes from sources you’ve spent many years trusting as an authority, for example the NHS.
Years ago, I was advised by the practice nurse that grazing is good, it raises the metabolism so I’d burn off more. Pasta and rice is fine, it’s the wicked sauce that goes with it that’s the problem. And I wasn’t to let myself feel hungry otherwise the body would grab hold of the next thing I ate and store it as fat.
I’ve embraced the healthy fat part of the low carb, healthy fat approach. Thing is - I now enjoy lots more butter on my toast. I suppose I must work a bit harder on the low carb part of it!!
Even with my haphazard approach I’m making some slow and steady progress and definitely feeling the benefit.
Thanks, and looking forward to reading more in this forum.
That's great. Growing up I knew a lot of lean people who ate carbs. If you can do it, more power to you.
The reason humans have become the dominant species on the planet, is we are flexible.
Humans can survive on a wide range of diets. I think i have reached the point when I can't eat many carbs, but in past times, I would also be nearing the point I wasn't adding much value to the tribe.
If you are losing weight and buttering your toast, more power to you! And also my envy from 3 months ago. I am now at peace with not eating bread and butter, but I wasn't ready to say that in March.
I suspect people who are basically still healthy can wind down their carbs, and go back to a normal level of fat, without the appetite "kickback" that you can experience if you're overweight and prediabetic (normally, you'd work around that with a 2-week keto phase). Let us know how you get on!
I'm really pleased that you found something here that immediately struck a chord with you. If you keep looking around, I'm sure you'll find many more.
All of the information you need about the forum can be found in Pinned Posts healthunlocked.com/nhsweigh... and I hope you'll be joining all the Events, Challenges and Clubs that we run, especially a weigh-in and the daily diary.
We've found active participation to be key to successful weight loss and, of course, it's a good way to get to know people, find inspiration and share support and encouragement.
I don't think that the obesity problem will be solved until Keto is mainstream which may never happen because big food and big pharma make so much money out of misinformation. Even when an MP has lost 8 stone and reversed his diabetes (Tom watson) and 60% of nurses are overweight/obese the NHS keeps its head in the sand so as not to offend its paymasters.
Hello and welcome sandoval22 and thank you for your thoughts on this issue. I like to think attitudes are slowly changing, I was on an NHS led scheme 5 years ago and the dietician admitted that SOME good healthy fat was acceptable, up to 70g per day. But I realise there are still many health professionals who haven’t got this message yet.
Are you wishing to join is for support in your own weight loss journey? I’ve given you a visitor badge but please let me know if you are looking for more help 😊
Bridge girl, I think you need to see what works for you. Anything under 50 carbs will do you good if you are eating "normal" food now. I added intermittent fasting and progressed to alternate day fasting. You can make it what you want depending on what you are looking for but food is the new medicine imo.
I was really asking for clarification about what you meant. I see the term Keto used when often what is meant is a low carb way of eating and it can be confusing for people coming to it all new.
Keto is low carb. Low carb is Keto. The aim is the same which is Ketosis. It's not a diet, more a lifestyle so it can be adapted to what you want. 5 days on 2 days off , 4 days on 3 days off etc depending on your goals. Bread was the hardest thing for me to give up but I found Livlife bread in Waitrose @ 3.8 carbs a slice (15 -20 carbs in normal slice of bread). The secret is to find alternatives and if you can't you can always use websites like sugarfree londoner to make your own and diet doctor for recipes etc. There is a chocolate bar in tesco called chocologic which has 15carbs; that is less carbs than in 1 slice of normal bread. It's daunting when you start but it get easier.
No, keto is one end of the low carb spectrum. Keto is low carb but low carb is much wider than keto.
I do follow low carb eating. I decided against substitutes for bread, rice etc., unless you count using shredded veg as the base for bolognese. I just make my meals up differently than I did before. I like diet doctor recipes but mostly I just do my own thing.
I disagree with your definition of low carb vs keto. I'm following a low carb lifestyle and I typically eat around 100g of carbs daily. That's not keto. Keto is extreme low carb in my mind: <20g daily. I'll never be in ketosis. In fact, it doesn't really bother me. I'm happy enough keeping my carbs much lower than before and enjoy being a newer healthier me
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Agree, but i will say that the no of carbs that put you In/out of ketosis varies according to your body. I eat about 60g carbs a day and an in ketosis (I have the blood test results to prove it.) the idea is that 20g will definitely put you in ketosis but less efficient bodies like mine can get away with more.
Exactly. Adapt it to what you want. A diabetic trying to reverse diabetes would need a much lower carb habit than someone who wants to lose a few pounds for the beach.
No help needed thanks. Being diabetic I prefer low carb to drugs but the NHS will still tell you diabetes is not reversible. I saw a doctor a couple of years ago who was diabetic herself and told me diabetes is not food related ! My GP refers to my diet as "strange". When I had diabetes and went Keto my diabetic nurse said she had never seen anyone reverse diabetes before. That is the NHS. If you go to a private London diabetes clinic they will tell you that you can reverse diabetes and tell you how. The NHS don't understand nutrition, it's not part of their training. Their standard phrase is "healthy balanced diet" - well it hasn't worked so far so time for a change maybe ? 50% of my diet is fat but supermarkets are full of "low fat" . Big food/pharma are running the show so self education/research is the only way imo.
Thanks for the contribution. You may want to hang around here, there are plenty of people that could use your advice.
I was perusing my blood work online 🤓, discovered my Hba1c had gone up 3 points of 3 years, googled to find out what the heck hba1c is and realised I was on the road to diabetes. I was able to nip it in the bud - I hope, I haven't had a retest because of lockdown.
Well, type 1 diabetes is not food related as such. I have a lot of type 1 diabetics my family, they have to inject insulin because their body doesn't produce it.
But Type 2 diabetes can be 'cured' with low carb diets I helped a neighbour get that sorted a couple of years ago, I am happy to say. His partner could not do without giant crumpets or any other refined carbohydrates, etc and so is still piling on the weight and having injections at the surgery each week. The GP and District nurses had no idea and actually told her that crumpets were great for things to have within her diet. Talk about mis information!!!!!
No you are right. T1 do not produce any insulin but I have a friend whose wife is an NHS dietician and she is T2 diabetic and prefers taking insulin to low carb. Each to their own but not much of an advert for the NHS.
You are dead right sandoval. Try getting full fat yogurt and you have a hell of a job to find it. I found a lovely creamy cottage cheese as well as plain yogurt in Tesco (own brand) last year, I bought both weekly for a while and then one day it had disappeared into thin air. In their place was a 5 % fat one as well as a fat free version. I wanted to spit!
I can get 10% fat yogurt in Lidl, but that is over 15 miles from me, so I can only get it occasionally.
Yes, that's the same with Thyroid training given to GP's, they are lucky if they get a single afternoon's training on thyroid issues.
I make my own version. Large pot of double cream and punnet of strawberries. Whisk them up together until the cream has thickened. Lasts about 5 days in fridge and very low carb. Greek yoghurt isn't too bad at 5 carbs for a small one.
I’ve come on holiday to Cornwall and the local Tesco has very limited Greek yoghurt options, unlike the monster shop near me that has loads. So I have bought clotted cream. Heh heh.
That's a very simplistic way of looking at things, when you consider that although we all have the same arrangement of organs,there are multiple ways for them to go wrong, either by genetics, or by aquired problems such as allergies. There are different treatments for Kidney disease and Diabetes for instance, and a person with coeliac problems cannot tolerate the same diet as a Lactose intolerant one. As a former nurse I have experience of caring for people with specific dietary needs. Horses would not be given the same options; rather they would be declared incurable and put down. When a human breaks a leg, it is set and plastered, when a horse breaks its leg, unless the owner can afford The Supervet, it gets put down.
Did you mean to sound so patronising? Let’s hope not. What I meant was that excess insulin production has a similar impact on everyone, whether they are lactose intolerant, Crohn’s disease or have kidney problems. Fat horses do not need to be put down just because they are fat. They are given restricted access to high sugar grass and sugar beet and they lose weight. A horse that breaks its leg will of course be put down, but i was under the impression the topic was obesity not fractures and orthopaedics.
No my post was not intended to seem patronising, any more that your reply is with regard to horses, more a case of not knowing the person you are posting to.
I also have a lot of experience with horses, 64 years to be exact. Yet horses are not the issue here, humans are.
You have the years experience on me with horses. What sort of riding? I had a dressage horse before I went back to work after I had my son. I found it so INTERESTING that horses are put on low sugar to lose weight - but they can hardly go low carb!
Very true, I've been around horses for most of my life, working pupil for BHSAI until my father found out and stopped me! (he was scared of horses, odd, as both my mother and I rode). I still kept riding, just couldn't study for AI any more. I worked on, volunteered with a vet for awhile, before I went into nursing. I have ridden in Dressage, one day events, show jumping, (all at low level), and finally went to volunteer with Betty Skelton who was a leading light with the Side Saddle Association, of which she was President, and where I learned sidesaddle, which as time went by, and I became less able, became the most comfortable way for me to ride. I have also been a helper with RDA.
Can no longer ride, but I had a lovely Welsh Section D.
Well said Subtal_badger it needed saying. You know I think, that I had some advice that absolutely floored me on this group and I didn't think that I could continue here, because I knew that I could not almost double my alone intake, eat the NHS way and lose weight.
I did leave the group, but kept getting the daily digests and it was only reading those messages that made me return to the site again.
If the NHS way suits you, everything is hunky dory, but we all know people who it hasn't/doesn't work for (count me in there) and being told you are not doing 'it' right helps no one, that goes for GP's & dieticians too. Calories in, less than calories out, 3 meals a day plus snacks, a 'balanced' diet, thou wilt eat breakfast etc etc. Not necessarily, I have proved it insofar as I am concerned.
Nothing works for everyone, but the NHS needs to get itself up to date, the world of weightloss has moved on.
I am low thyroid and believe me, it's exactly the same for thyroid patients and the NHS. Most of us (I can only speak for low thyroid patients) have to pay for our own blood tests because the NHS has a ridiculous way of blood testing these days. Many also self medicate, for the same reasons. Thyroid hormones affect absolutely everything in our bodies,especially metabolism. I have spent over 25years low thyroid and I am appalled, but it seems there is nothing to be done.
The 'poor souls' quip was a little tongue in cheek joke really. I have an idea of how a horse's digestive system works and realise that they follow neither low carb nor the NHS 12 week programme! LoL
Sorry, I couldn't resist!! My sense of humour can be rather an 'acquired taste' shall we say?
Also those doing lots of exercise could be making more muscles in placeof fat - well, if they did enough high energy exercise and that will never apply to me I'm afraid - and muscle apparently weighs 'heavier' than fat. I will never be able to blame the muscle that I have built up by exercising.
I always feel better when I really have zero of the high carbs, so, rice, bread, potatoes, any flour containing items and I also try to leave out most root vegetables, except celeriac and swede on occasions. I still crave high carbs though and if there are any in the house I can't leave them alone.
Luckily I live alone, but my brother in law has been here for a week and he has to have all the things that I don't eat. So since he went home last Thursday the birds have had rice, bread, mini cheddar, bread, biscuits, chocolate etc etc it has been a nightmare for me and I have gained weight. He is totally unashamed of his role in my weight gain and thinks I am quite mad. Most of my family think the same to be honest.
Being low thyroid for well over 20 years and not well regulated for it, brings it's own problems, believe me. But got to keep trying or I will gain, gain, gain and I refuse to have to buy larger clothes, so either I try and live in my PJ'S or I keep on top of my diet!!
"However, only intense activities are fuelled by carbohydrate."
That's not quite true. If you largely eat carbs, then fat is burned in a carbohydrate flame. (Something complicate to do with the crebs cycle) If you don't eat enough carbs or exercise long enough to deplete your glycogen, you "hit the wall". I've experienced this myself, unable to climb a hill on my bike, and was cured by a very small amount of baguette.
Of course, that was in the before-times. Now I am fat adapted, climbing a hill or not is down to my muscles and my lungs. Fuel is in endless supply.
I wrote this elsewhere on the internet, but I think it belongs here, too.
When you feed geese corn, they develop fatty liver (foie gras). When you feed cattle grain, they develop intramuscular fat (marbling). When you tell the entire country to eat more simple carbs, what do you get? 2/3 overweight, and 1/3 with diabetes or pre-diabetes.
I don't know Barry Groves' work, but that makes no sense. A fire in the lungs must be a medieval idea, at least, predating human dissection and an understanding of anatomy. Carbohydrates is from the 19th century, following the understanding of molecules. There is no one who knows what carbohydrates are, who thinks there is a literal fire in the lungs.
If you aren't creating ketones, you need carbs to burn fat.
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