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We'd be really grateful for any feedback on my husband's thyroid test results taken at 8.45am before breakfast. (Blue Horizon Gold). He has been diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome for 10 plus years and there is a history in his family of thyroid problems. We are trying to get a clearer picture of any underlying health issues as well as to identify nutrition and supplement needs.

Ferritin: ............................... 349 (Greek m g/L think that's micrograms?)

Normal range ( NR ) 30 - 400

CRP : .................................... 0.85 mg/L NR <5.0

Vitamin D (25OH) .......................... 22 nmol/L NR 50 - 200

TSH ...........................................1.79 mU/L NR 0.27 - 4.20

Free T3 .....................................4.4 pmol/L NR 3.1 - 6.8

T4 Total ....................................67.1 nmol/L NR 66 - 181

Free T4 .....................................18.2 pmol/L NR 12.0 - 22.0

Cortisol (random) .................320 nmol/L NR 73.8 - 507.0

Serum Folate ...........................11.90 nmol/L NR 8.83 - 60.8

Vitamin B12 ............................239 pmol/L NR 145 - 569

Magnesium ..............................0.97 mmol/L NR 0.66 - 0.99

Immunology

Anti-Throidperoxidse ............... <9.0 IU/ml NR <34

Anti-Thyroglobulin ..................... 11 IU/ml NR <115

Obviously the Vitamin D is very low, and we'd be very grateful for any comments and a possible next step forward. Many thanks.

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Sorry, but we need the ranges for all those results. There are no standard ranges, so they vary from lab to lab. :)

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Rainfern in reply to greygoose

Ah, thank you! I shall get these sent later today 😊

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Rainfern in reply to greygoose

I have now edited this post to include the "Normal Range" figures provided by Blue Horizon. I hope this is what's needed. Thank you

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greygoose in reply to Rainfern

Yes, that's right.

So, as you said, your vit D is very low. As is your vit B12. Both need supplementing.

Free T3 .....................................4.4 pmol/L NR 3.1 - 6.8

This is low-ish. Especially compared to your FT4:

Free T4 .....................................18.2 pmol/L NR 12.0 - 22.0

So, you don't convert very well. This could be due to your low vit D/B12, though. And might improve when those are optimised.

From your profile I gather that you don't have a thyroid diagnosis, and are not on any thyroid hormone replacement, is that correct? Well, despite the low T3, you don't appear to be hypo at the moment, and your antibodies are negative. I would say improve your nutrients and see if that improves your FT3.

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Rainfern in reply to greygoose

Thank you greygoose. This is very helpful. My husband can now start on D and B12 supplements and I shall do the same as we eat the same (low meat) diet and if anything my husband spends more time outside in the light than I do.

My only question would be at what dose should we start and is there a particular brand you would recommend?

Many thanks again for your comments.

All best

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greygoose in reply to Rainfern

I don't know much about vit d, so can't advise you on what to take. If I were you, I'd write a new question asking just that.

For the B12 start with a sublingual methylcobalamin (B12) of 1000 mcg for a couple of weeks. There's not much choice as far as that goes, so whatever you can find. Then, add a B complex - Thorne basic B is a good one, or Igennus. Take the B12 plus the B complex until the B12 is all gone, then continue with the B complex.

Sorry, I got confused about who I was talking to, but you're asking for your husband, of course. :)

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Rainfern in reply to greygoose

and to answer your question, my husband does not have a thyroid diagnosis.

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His Total T4 is extremely low

I would want to get an ultrasound scan of thyroid

Vitamin levels are poor apart from ferritin

Work on improving low vitamin D, folate and B12

Then retest again in 2-3 months

vitamin D is deficient

GP should prescribe LOADING dose. That’s total of 300,000iu over 6-8 weeks and then retest at end of course

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly via NHS private testing service when supplementing

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7.

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D and thyroid disease

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Interesting article by Dr Malcolm Kendrick on magnesium

drmalcolmkendrick.org/categ...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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only add one supplement at a time

Wait at least 10-14 days to assess before adding another

Starting with vitamin D, then magnesium

Then B12

Low B12 symptoms

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

methyl-life.com/blogs/defic...

With serum B12 result below 500, (Or active B12 below 70) recommended to be taking a separate B12 supplement and a week or so later add a separate vitamin B Complex 

Then once your serum B12 is over 500 (or Active B12 level has reached 70), you may be able to reduce then stop the B12 and just carry on with the B Complex.

If Vegetarian or vegan likely to need ongoing separate B12 few times a week

Highly effective B12 drops

natureprovides.com/products...

Or

B12 sublingual lozenges

uk.iherb.com/pr/jarrow-form...

cytoplan.co.uk/shop-by-prod...

B12 range in U.K. is too wide

Interesting that in this research B12 below 400 is considered inadequate

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Low folate

supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid)

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid

healthline.com/nutrition/fo...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Thorne Basic B recommended vitamin B complex that contains folate, but they are large capsules. (You can tip powder out if can’t swallow capsule)

Thorne currently difficult to find at reasonable price, should be around £20-£25. iherb.com often have in stock. Or try ebay

Other options

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

Igennus B complex popular option too. Nice small tablets. Most people only find they need one per day. But a few people find it’s not high enough dose

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg) and continue separate B12 until over 500

Post discussing how biotin can affect test results

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

helvella.blogspot.com/p/hel...

academic.oup.com/nutritionr...

The present review of the literature regarding B12 status among vegetarians shows that the rates of B12 depletion and deficiency are high. It is, therefore, recommended that health professionals alert vegetarians about the risk of developing subnormal B12 status. Vegetarians should also take preventive measures to ensure adequate intake of this vitamin, including the regular intake of B12 supplements to prevent deficiency. Considering the low absorption rate of B12 from supplements, a dose of at least 250 μg should be ingested for the best results.3

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Would also suggest getting full iron panel test in 2-3 months

possible to have high ferritin but low iron

Test early morning, only water to drink between waking and test. Avoid high iron rich dinner night before test

Medichecks iron panel test

medichecks.com/products/iro...

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Rainfern in reply to SlowDragon

Slow Dragon you are wonderful. Can’t thank you enough for sharing your knowledge and the work you’ve put in to this post. Husband very grateful and is making GP appt and will get started with vitamin D.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainfern

If going to sort Vitamin D yourselves

6000iu per day for 8 weeks is 300,000iu

If you took 3 sprays of Better You with k2 that’s 3000iu

plus

either one spray of Better You green 3000iu spray

Or 3 sprays of blue 1000iu

betteryou.com/collections/s...

Perhaps initially first week only start on 3000iu to see if that’s ok before increasing

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