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CRP HS

07 Sep 2020

1.19mg/L <5

FERRITIN

07 Sep 2020

59.8ug/L 13-150

VITAMIN B12 - ACTIVE

07 Sep 2020

46.4pmol/L >37.5

VITAMIN D

07 Sep 2020

41.3nmol/L 50-175

TSH

07 Sep 2020

1.3mlU/L 0.27-4.2

FREE T3

07 Sep 2020

5.51pmo/L 3.1-6.8

FREE THYROXINE

07 Sep 2020

16.2pmol/L 12-22

THYROGLOBULIN ANTIBODIES

07 Sep 2020

909 klU/L <115

THYROID PEROXIDASE ANTIBODIES

07 Sep 2020

38.7klU/L >34

I have extreme tiredness, weight gain ( 3 stone in 2 months), sensitivity to cold, dry skin and brittle hair, muscle aches, joint pain, constipation and bouts of brain fog or very brief memory lapse since January this year. Last GP tests apparently only said B12 deficiency so prescribed 100mcg Cyanocobalamin daily. Previously I was told I was old, fat and unrealistic ( but in medical terms ) because I said going from size 8 jeans to size 14 was not normal. No GP I've seen so far seems to believe I have any of the above symptoms even though they have my weight in Jan as 9st 4lbs and in March as 12st 2lbs. I was offered my choice of antidepressants !! I used to walk 4 miles a day, tend my large garden and an allotment up to May, now I am exhausted getting up, washed and dressed and my feet burn if I walk 50 yards.

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As you don’t appear to have had any answers I have alerted SlowDragon and SeasideSusie , they are the best people to help you

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Thank you

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Sorry your post was missed

High thyroid antibodies confirms autoimmune thyroid disease also called Hashimoto’s

Hashimoto's affects the gut and leads to low stomach acid and then low vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels affect Thyroid hormone working

Poor gut function can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances. Most common by far is gluten. Dairy is second most common.

According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but over 80% find gluten free diet helps, sometimes significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and slowly lower TPO antibodies

While still eating high gluten diet ask GP for coeliac blood test first or buy test online for under £20, just to rule it out first

healthcheckshop.co.uk/store...?

Assuming test is negative you can immediately go on strictly gluten free diet

(If test is positive you will need to remain on high gluten diet until endoscopy, maximum 6 weeks wait officially)

Trying gluten free diet for 3-6 months. If no noticeable improvement then reintroduce gluten and see if symptoms get worse

chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

amymyersmd.com/2018/04/3-re...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

drknews.com/changing-your-d...

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Non Coeliac Gluten sensitivity (NCGS) and autoimmune disease

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/296...

The predominance of Hashimoto thyroiditis represents an interesting finding, since it has been indirectly confirmed by an Italian study, showing that autoimmune thyroid disease is a risk factor for the evolution towards NCGS in a group of patients with minimal duodenal inflammation. On these bases, an autoimmune stigma in NCGS is strongly supported

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/300...

The obtained results suggest that the gluten-free diet may bring clinical benefits to women with autoimmune thyroid disease

nuclmed.gr/wp/wp-content/up...

In summary, whereas it is not yet clear whether a gluten free diet can prevent autoimmune diseases, it is worth mentioning that HT patients with or without CD benefit from a diet low in gluten as far as the progression and the potential disease complications are concerned

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Despite the fact that 5-10% of patients have Celiac disease, in my experience and in the experience of many other physicians, at least 80% + of patients with Hashimoto's who go gluten-free notice a reduction in their symptoms almost immediately.

Vitamin levels need improving

VITAMIN D 41.3nmol/L 50-175

Low vitamin D obviously needs improving and GP should prescribe 1600iu everyday for 6 months

Vitamin D

GP will often only prescribe to bring levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly via vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function. There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with hashimoto’s we frequently need higher dose than average

Calculator for working out dose you may need to bring to

40ng/ml = 100nmol

grassrootshealth.net/projec...

Government recommends everyone supplement October to April

gov.uk/government/news/phe-...

With your Vit D, are you also taking it's important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7?

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

FERRITIN 59.8ug/L 13-150

Eating iron rich foods like liver or liver pate once a week plus other red meat, pumpkin seeds and dark chocolate, plus daily orange juice or other vitamin C rich drink can help improve iron absorption

List of iron rich foods

dailyiron.net

Links about iron and ferritin

irondisorders.org/Websites/...

drhedberg.com/ferritin-hypo...

This is interesting because I have noticed that many patients with Hashimoto’s disease and hypothyroidism, start to feel worse when their ferritin drops below 80 and usually there is hair loss when it drops below 50.

VITAMIN B12 - ACTIVE 46.4pmol/L >37.5

No folate result?

B12 and folate work together

As you have B12 supplements it’s recommended also to supplement a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid) may be beneficial.

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid

chriskresser.com/folate-vs-...

Many Hashimoto’s patients have MTHFR gene variation and can have trouble processing folic acid.

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Igennus Super B is good quality and cheap vitamin B complex. Contains folate. Full dose is two tablets per day. Many/most people may only need one tablet per day. Certainly only start on one per day (or even half tablet per day for first couple of weeks)

Or Thorne Basic B or jarrow B-right are other options that contain folate, but both are large capsules

If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before any blood tests, as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

Low B12 symptoms

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

With such low B12 result taking a B12 supplement and a B Complex (to balance all the B vitamins) initially for first 2-4 months, then once your serum B12 is over 500 (or Active B12 level has reached 70), stop the B12 and just carry on with the B Complex.

B12 sublingual lozenges

cytoplan.co.uk/vitamins/vit...

Burning feet can be. Peripheral neuropathy....mix of low B vitamins and low vitamin D ...as explained here

Low vitamin D and low B vitamins may be linked as explained here

drgominak.com/sleep/vitamin...

drgominak.com/rightsleep-me...

In YouTube video when Dr Gominak talks about vitamin D levels ...vitamin D at 40ng/ml (USA units) is equal to 100nmol (UK units)

youtu.be/74F22bjBmqE

Thyroid disease is as much about optimising vitamins as thyroid hormones

Only add one supplement at a time and wait 2 weeks to assess ....before adding another

Suggest.....Starting with vitamin D, then magnesium

Retest FULL Thyroid And vitamin testing in say 2-3 months

Always do all thyroid testing as early as possible in morning before eating or drinking anything other than water

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GSDowner in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you. Having read various posts on here I thought it might be Hashimoto's. There is no folate level in my Medichecks results. A GP told me months ago I didn't need Vit D tested as everyone has deficiency so go to Boots and buy some and not to bother about dosage! No mention of magnesium or K2. As for B12 I was told it could be 6 months before any effect from my prescription and no mention of retesting or B complex. I think it would be more sensible and beneficial to follow your advice than any of my GPs and keep on private testing.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toGSDowner

Medichecks now not offering folate in test kit....very annoying

Blue horizon and thriva do offer folate...when looking at next testing

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GSDowner in reply toSlowDragon

I will get one of these for next time.

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