Thyrovanz - New NDT (food grade)

[HEA72]

Hi All,

Thought I'd pass on this information. I've noticed a new? brand of food grade NDT on the market: 'Thyrovanz'. It's in capsule form, from New Zealand cattle. It's classed as food grade, so no prescription needed. I know there are other brands out there e.g. 'Thyrogold' and 'Nutrimeds'. So I guess Thyrovanz is on a par with those.

Here'a their website for anyone that's interested: thyrovanz.com/

3.8.16 P.S. Since writing this post, I have found another whole thyroid glandular to add to the list:

'Metavive' by Procepts. They do porcine and bovine whole thyroid glandulars and are manufactured and sold in the UK:

procepts.eu/metavive-1/

the-natural-choice.co.uk/Me...

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[Hidden]

It hasn't established the ratios of hormones in its product and doesn't look like it's willing to.

Nice website though. x

[Treepie in reply to Hidden]

I have sent an email to ask the question.Think Thyroid gold is sourced from NZ cattle.

[HEA72 in reply to Treepie]

I don't think they're able to make a statement about how much of each hormone is in each capsule because the capsules contain whole desicated thyroid and therefore the ratios of hormones may vary from batch to batch. The hormones in food grade NDT aren't extracted and therefore ratios controlled like prescription NDT. But that's just my impression anyway, I maybe wrong.

[Treepie in reply to HEA72]

You may well be correct.

[Treepie in reply to HEA72]

I have had a reply and you are spot on .It is food grade but contains all the hormones and calcitonin.

[helvella in reply to HEA72]

I don't think that any prescription desiccated thyroid product has the thyroid hormones extracted. (There have, historically, been products referred to as desiccated thyroid extract but none remain.)

One of the major problems is that we have no idea if the company manages the thyroid hormone content at all. One of the big issues in the early days of desiccated thyroid was that the source thyroids varied in potency, especially by time of year. One of the reasons that all the prescription products are based on porcine thyroid is that the thyroid hormone levels don't vary anything like as much through the year as in bovines, ovines and others. So if they do not control the levels, and it is bovine, we can expect something of a roller-coaster of thyroid hormone levels.

[Treepie in reply to helvella]

Makes sense.Yet often on this site Dr Lowe is quoted and the Thyroidgold his widow supplies which is from NZ cows!

[Hidden in reply to Treepie]

It is I believe as they've never had a case of CJD.

(Treepie, I think we have the same endo! :D)

[Treepie in reply to Hidden]

Not sure i have an endo at the present! I wrote to the first one i saw saying i thought he had alot to learn amongst other things. But i suspect the GP put the mockers on me inthe referral.

I then went to an endo privately who ruled out many things but agreed to prescribe Armour which i have not tried. Just started NDT with Thyroid S .Seem a bit more tired but not taking the equivalent of the levo as starting slow.

[Hidden in reply to Treepie]

Ah, I think it's the same private endo. I've just started NDT too, also slowly...just waiting now...

H x

[Treepie in reply to Hidden]

Dr.B?

Dr's name deleted by admin as per guideline #25.

[Hidden in reply to Treepie]

Yes!

[Treepie in reply to Hidden]

Gosh ! It is some months now since i saw him. I found that my symptoms improved no end during the summer after which. put off starting NDT .But winter has brought a detioration in my balance( which he reckoned was alcohol related) and my legs have become heavy again on first getting out a chair.

At the last Thyroid UK conference i met two people who said NDT had improved their balance.

[BadHare in reply to Treepie]

I wish my balance would improve!

[Treepie in reply to BadHare]

Mine did during two weeks in the very hot Canaries last May ,started to get worse again in December.

[Marz in reply to BadHare]

Leverette- could it be B12 ?

[BadHare in reply to Marz]

My blood tests are ok, & I have plenty of it.

[Marz in reply to BadHare]

....needs to be around 1000

[BadHare in reply to Marz]

Oh, no!

[staruk in reply to Treepie]

Giggling at the thought of his face when he read your letter Teepie

[BadHare]

I contacted this company yesterday, & asked how much T3 & T4 were in their product. They replied very quickly, but I wasn't impressed that they wouldn't or couldn't tell me, so won't be buying their stuff.

M*

[Treepie]

There are two posts above which give the reasons.I suppose you could say it depends on the cow!

i thanked the person who replied and said it had been mentioned on a website. Then received the reply: " ........were often an alternative for people who either can't get a prescription for NDT or who respond more favourably to the less ingredients we have on average.". Eh?

[Shiraz]

I've just ordered some of these, so I'll let you know how I get on

[deceived in reply to Shiraz]

Shiaz I am wondering how you are doing on the Thyrovanz???

[Shiraz in reply to deceived]

I'm doing just fine on them thank you @decieved! They appear to suit me well - just ordered another 2 bottles actually. The only down side is that when they arrive here, the darn post office clobber me with a customs fee! Hey ho, it's still worth it

[deceived in reply to Shiraz]

Has Thyrovanz gotten the blood work levels optimal?

[Shiraz in reply to deceived]

That I don't know yet as not due for a test just yet. All I can say is that I feel a lot better in myself than I did.

[deceived in reply to Shiraz]

How many are you taking a day? What was your NDT dose?

[Shiraz in reply to deceived]

I have the 300mg dose, 1 a day.

[jacrjacr in reply to Shiraz]

what were you on before this..i just read about these....interesting

[Lspillane in reply to deceived]

I did yesterday and my levels are good. They say my t3 may be high but they are in range. But he still Prescribed me Synthroid with a T3 added not sure why

[SarahBK in reply to Shiraz]

Well, I went for about a year taking Thyrovanz instead of my regular thyroid, as I was avoiding doctor's office due to COVID-19. My labs, after that 12 or 13 months, came out just fine.

[Bethb53068 in reply to Shiraz]

Any feedback on how your experience went?

[jojobaby in reply to Bethb53068]

I gave Thyrovanz a fair shot and did absolutely horrible. Switched from Naturethroid which I was doing fine on but currently my dose is out of stock. My legs were like dragging around two heavy sausages. Gained weight very quickly. I teach dance and was so exhausted I could barely get out of bed let alone run a dance class. Also the Facebook group which is supposedly open kicked me out of the group for leaving a comment that it didn't work for me. Very fishy.

[Akabc123 in reply to Shiraz]

Shiraz I take 125 mcg Tirosint (levothyroxine). What dose of Thyrovanz would I take? I don’t know the conversion dose. Thanks

[SarahBK in reply to Akabc123]

I'm not sure if this is a conversion dose, or just a ballpark figure. I took the 100 mg Thyrovanz to replace the 90 mg NP Thyroid, and it was fine. If you're taking grains rather than mg, you may have to check how that converts.

[HEA72]

Hi All, if you're finding the customs duty etc and lead times too long to wait for the importation of Thyrovanz, maybe try 'Metavive' by Procepts? They do porcine and bovine whole thyroid glandulars and are manufactured and sold in the UK:

procepts.eu/metavive-1/

the-natural-choice.co.uk/Me...

the-natural-choice.co.uk/Me...

[jojobaby]

OMG IT'S A SCAM. You've been warned. I thought I found the miracle new fix. Did a lot of research beforehand and was so excited, gave it a good try but I did horribly on this stuff. Gained weight, tired, freezing cold, brain fog. Joined a supposed facebook group for Thyrovanz only to be kicked out when I left a comment about my experience. Of course the only supposed "users" give rave reviews on the supposed open group.

[belogical in reply to jojobaby]

Are you for real? Your dose was probably way too low. Thyrovanz has been a life saver for me. I was on Levo for 8 years, felt awful most of the time, hair falling out, fatigue, and no doctor would listen. All this got better when I switched to Thyrovanz, I literally got my life back.

[SarahBK in reply to jojobaby]

You know, I bet it's possible that it depends on the individual - just as Synthroid gave me problems, quite possibly Thyrovanz could be wrong for some people, too. But please don't call it a scam - it was SO helpful for me, and others. Just use the medicine that works best for you. And yes, if my prescription runs out, I'll now take 2 fifties in the Thyrovanz - I'm sure I would have lots of problems if I went on a long- term 50 mg daily dose!

[jojobaby]

Hmm I wonder what's changed. Thanks for the heads up!

[josie-n]

I agree jojobaby, Thyrovanz is a total waste of money, they say that it is from NZ grass fed cows...but I am told it is produced in the USA?? And yes they monitor negative comments and remove them stating that to be 'filtering' so you never get to know for sure what the side effects are from people who have actually tried it and whether they thought it was useless?

[belogical in reply to josie-n]

Have you not heard of 'importing'? It says on the website the thyroid is brought in from New Zealand and the product is made in America.

[Immilo]

just bought metavive after reading this.

Anyone tried:

amazon.ca/Natural-Sources-R...

[Strangerthings71]

Is this available in the UK?

[SarahVixen]

Hoi friend s, I'm not sure if I wrote in before, but I stayed on Thyrovanz - Thyrovanz (NZ) 100 for a year during the Covid crisis, and when I finally went to the doctor, my thyroid levels were just fine!