Are you low on magnesium? Check list of symptoms (very similar to hypothyroid) and recipe for magnesium skin spray.

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I have seen recommendations to supplement zinc if ingesting magnesium to maintain balance.

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Hi,

This is what Dr. Neil Nathan says - he has a very good chapter in his book about it. " When our bodies are deficient in it we see fatigue, depression, malaise, muscle cramps and pain, and difficulties with focus, memory and concentration........ Some of the major symptoms of magnesium deficiency are: fatigue; exhaustion; tiredness; muscle cramps; spasm; pain; muscle weakness; manual treatments like chiropractic, physio etc. do not hold more than a few hours; depression; cardiac arrhythmias; cognitive impairment; insomnia. Most doctors don't know how to measure it accurately. Magnesium is usually found inside the blood cells, not in the blood stream....... The body thinks that magnesium is so important that it will do everything in its power to keep blood levels normal. Thus you could have a perfectly normal blood test result and still have low magnesium levels inside your cells.......Our bodies have a limited capacity to absorb magnesium from the intestines.

When that capacity is exceeded we get the one symptom that too much magnesium produces - diarrhea.

All magnesium formulas are not created equal. Most magnesium you buy over the counter is entirely or mostly composed of magnesium oxide because it is inexpensive to manufacture......this form of magnesium is not well absorbed by the body. Only 10% of this form of magnesium is actually absorbed"

Patrick Holford also states that low magnesium can cause constipation.

Jane x

[Clutter in reply to Hidden]

Yeah, guess which duhrbrain bought 3 tubs of mag oxide! I saw a recent article discussing magnesium aspartate (chelated) which the nutritional doctor who's name escapes me didn't recommend, preferring mag citrate.

[Mrs_Somerset in reply to Hidden]

Hi Jane,

I have recently switched to Magnesium citrate from Magnesium oxide thanks to this forum.

I have also at the same time started taking zinc.

Do you know how long it would take to see an improvement ( assuming low magnesium was the cause)?

I ask as I have all the above symptoms and more and want to rule out vitamin deficiencies as much as I can, unfortunately my doctors surgery do not hold with this and will not do the tests so winging it at home by myself

all the best,

M

[Hidden in reply to Mrs_Somerset]

I wish I had the answer, but sadly I don't, but if after a course of magnesium the symptoms are still present I would say there is something else as well that needs looking at. Sorry, that's not very helpful. Jane x

[Jayne22]

I'm using magnesium chloride which according to Walter Last ("Natural Way to Heal") is the most absorbable and available form to use as this is what the body converts all other forms of magnesium into. Any thoughts?

[Clutter in reply to Jayne22]

Do you swallow it or spray it on?

[Jayne22]

I drink it very bitter but you get used to it!

Spraying it on is also fine for anyone who has major absorption problems but have read that this is the most digestible form as chloride.

My symptoms check all the boxes and have felt a positive change since I started using it. Not there yet with hypo hence the T3 being added now.

[puncturedbicycle in reply to Jayne22]

That's what I use too. I pop some in my deodorant bottle so I can't fail to use it. I don't like the way mag oil feels on my skin.

[Hidden]

Thanks for this Clutter, but do you know how to access the Make Your Own Spray recipe? I can't find anything.

S

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[Clutter in reply to Hidden]

It's the 2nd link in my post, Sue. I just checked the link and it's all there.

[Hidden in reply to Clutter]

Thanks, I found it eventually - hadn't read it properly the first time!

S

[Jackie]

Hi There is a blood test for magnesium, tiny range. As an electrolyte needs care. Magnesium test is not perfect but clearly shows when mine is too low,. I have to take a lot under medical supervision and weekly bloods.There is a lot of food container magnesium which is a better idea., also better digested.

Zinc is certainly afe to take and a very important mineral.

Jackie

[Clutter in reply to Jackie]

Hi Jackie,

I'm inclined to supplement without testing when the mineral will be excreted if there is sufficient in the body, which seems unlikely for most of us, as soil is so depleted.

[Jackie in reply to Clutter]

Hi I agree on principle. However, I know that is not my case, Also in hospitals for many heart problems, IV of magnesium was always given, for this reason. However, now it is not , even with below normal magnesium as not considered safe. An electrolyte.

Jackie

[puncturedbicycle in reply to Jackie]

Jackie, what is food container magnesium?

[Jackie in reply to puncturedbicycle]

Hi There is lots. If you search the WEB and put in mangesium/foods. they will come up. If you cannot find them, get back to me.

Jackie

[Hidden in reply to Jackie]

fortunately the only thing on the list (of ten) which I found which is contra-indicated by thyroidism was spinach.

[Clutter in reply to Hidden]

Goitrogenous veg should be avoided raw but are ok if cooked.

Us thyroidless ones can eat all the raw goiitrogens we like, says Clutter smugly.

[Mrs_Somerset in reply to Hidden]

Hi, Is there somewhere that lists items that should be avoided by Hypothyroid folks? The only info I have is from a freind ( herbalist) who said lemon verbena and asprin were a no-no), and some vague but contradictory info on t'internet about iodine and sea salt?

Would love one place where I can check that I am not adding to my thyroid issues with food / vitamins.

Thanks

M

[Jackie in reply to Mrs_Somerset]

The best diet for thyroid is also the Diabetes one,see thyroid Uk and the better American site.

Jackie

[Hidden in reply to Mrs_Somerset]

here is a list of foods which are contra-indicated: mindbodygreen.com/0-10212/f.... I googled 'food to avoid if you are hypothyroid'. There are lists, I'm sure. (Strawberries - boo hoo!).

Thanks for the 'cooked' qualification, Clutter. Coincidentally I saw something else about cooked veg on the list being OK just today. Hooray! I can eat cauli again!! (But strawberries ... oh strawberries ... still weeping over that).

[Clutter in reply to Hidden]

I'll have your strawberries I was allergic to 'em until my late teens. Came out in horrible hives. Nuffink would make me give up strawberries again.

[Mrs_Somerset in reply to Hidden]

Noooooo - not strawbs!

just looked at the list - thank-goodness you can eat the veg if cooked.

but no peanuts, linseed, soya products, pine nuts - that is basically what my energy bars are made off - and Ii thought I was being good!

Thank-you for this - very helpful, have bookmarked it as I will no doubt forget in a few minutes

[Hidden in reply to Mrs_Somerset]

Soya is surprisingly not-good for quite a lot of things. Who knew?

[Clutter in reply to Hidden]

Most roidies know, I think.

[Jackie in reply to Hidden]

Hi Never easy. There are more, lots of different lists on the WEB, you just have to find the ones that suit you.

Jackie

[Silver_Fairy]

I read somewhere that Magnesium malate is the best if you suffer from diarrhoea when taking magnesium.

[Coastwalker]

Interesting read.

Do you know the recommended daily dosages of both Magnesium and Zinc Clutter ?

[Clutter in reply to Coastwalker]

350mg* Mag Oxide for women, 300mg* for men, but it's hard to absorb and most recommend magnesium citrate, I think. Essentially, you stop increasing your dose when you get diarrhoea.

The RDA for zinc is 15mg*

*according to the Asda supplements I have.

[Coastwalker in reply to Clutter]

Thank Q Clutter X

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My daughter has made Mag skin cream from that site, think she's trying the toothpaste next.....

I started looking at magnesium with Vit D, things work together - wouldn't it be great if there was enough vitamins/minerals in this "Healthy diet" the GPs speak of..... but there just isn't.....

Another interesting link.... (some say not to have too much B6 'tho, just a B complex)

"Because large amounts of calcium are lost in the urine when magnesium is undersupplied, the lack of this nutrient indirectly becomes responsible for much rampant tooth decay, poor bone development, osteoporosis and slow healing of broken bones and fractures. With vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), magnesium helps to reduce and dissolve calcium phosphate kidney stones."

drsircus.com/medicine/magne...

J

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Hi Spareribs

This link is interesting. I take Vitamin D at present as well as B12.

Funny how magnesium works with Vitamin D...

Thanks for this information. Most helpful.

[Clutter in reply to Hidden]

Too much B6 can cause tingling in hands & feet after long term use. The Solgar 100mg B6 is almost 8000% RDA. I take it every other day.

[Hidden in reply to Clutter]

I've seen the B6 Magnesium connection several times, intriguing -

(personally concentrating on B3 at the mo as quit smoking)

btw do you want to add some magnesium links/info to the vitamin/mineral post here?

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

all help gratefully received for FAQs! J

[Hidden in reply to Clutter]

Yes those scary percentages!

I got a Lamberts Vit B-100 complex - B6 100mg 7143% yet niacin (b3) only 625% - well that's enough but I'm wary to take as the others seem too much! (Thiamin 9090%) they do say it's 100mg - but who's to know the %ages - until you get the bottle to check!

[Clutter in reply to Hidden]

Yes, it's very odd. Bloody embarassing too if you tip up at the surgery with tingles only to be told you've taken a toxic amount of supplements.

Is B3 helping you quit?

[Hidden in reply to Clutter]

that was my plan/theory to help quit....

but didn't really want to take B3 in isolation so taking a low percentage B complex every week or so (still turns wee fluorescent yellow!) however before this I took B12 spray which helped the tingles, I think (as well as Vit D).

I'll never get used to taking pills, even just vitamins! - I much prefer smoked salmon, liver & onions, pate and even pilchards!

[Hidden]

right - ho for yet another pot of supplements, in the seemingly everlasting search for something to ameliorate what ails me.

My biggest problem is remembering to take the bally things!

Thanks to you, Clutter, for the original information, and for starting what has proved to be such an interesting thread.

Strawberries to you too!

[Coastwalker]

We're rattling with pills already

[Clutter in reply to Coastwalker]

That's where the spray recipe comes in handy...

[Coastwalker]

We're full up with vitamin and mineral pills, both Hubby and I've got B12 sticky plasters stuck onto our bodies, next comes the magnesium skin spray We'll try anything once is our motto.

Getting old is so much fun

[Clutter]

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to the next lot of ailments being blamed on old age because some medic can't make a diagnosis, or my lab results are brilliant, so bits not working or falling off are all in my head

In fairness, my GP practice was very good about my original diagnosis, but GPs and endos weren't clever or helpful about the symptoms I was experiencing on T4 monotherapy and subsequent blood tests and therapy have been led by me. Thank God for the internet, HU & thyroid websites.