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Have had RLS since 2000, been on ropinerole since 2008 and, due to augmentation, am now on 7mg at night. Coping but only just. Live in UK, am in my 70s and female. Have an appointment with my GP on Thursday when I hope to persuade him to give me a full iron panel blood test.
I read somewhere that some prescribed medications (which have nothing to do with dopamine agonists) can actually make RLS worse so I wondered whether any of mine did this and whether there are any substitutes. I take one of each of the following daily: Atorvastatin 20mg, Bisoprolol 1.25mg, Omeprazole20mg. Thank you.
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All statins make RLS worse. Nexlizet (Nustendi (UK) is a cholesterol lowering drug that is not a statin, but I don’t know if it exacerbates RLS symptoms. Ezetimibe (Zetia) - reduces cholesterol although It doesn't reduce cholesterol as fast as the statins, but according to Chris Columbus it didn't trigger his RLS, however don't take it if you have diabetes and then there is Triglide which seems safe. Berberine may help if it is mildly elevated. You might want to discuss these with your doctor. A more difficult way to reduce cholesterol is to go vegan. My husband lowered his cholesterol from 221 to 131 this way.
Omeprazole interferes with the absorption of iron. I recommend gaviscon advance. Be sure it is the Advance. If asparatame bothers you don't take the tables. If saccharin bothers you don't take the liquid.
And Bisoprolol can make RLS worse.
Some medicines that are safe for high blood pressure are propranolol (Inderal, Hemangeol, InnoPran) a beta blocker that may help RLS, Isosorbide Mononitrate (Monoket, Imdur) which is not a beta blocker nor calcium channel blocker. Other possibilities are: Clonidine (Catapres) an Alpha-2-Agonist used to treat high blood pressure which may help RLS and which also treats insomnia, tenex (Guanfacine, Intuniv), prazosin (Minipress) an alpha-adrenergic blocker that is also useful in managing sleep-related problems caused by PTSD and Tadalafil a vasodilator that in one study completely eliminated RLS. Clonidine can actually help RLS. Discuss these with your doctor. And then there is reducing salt by 1 teaspoon a day nih.gov/news-events/nih-res....
As Jools advised against your first Post: UK doctors (and neurologists) aren't taught anything about RLS and rely on outdated information, but there's a lot more information on the RLS-UK website - it's really worth exploring everything in the Understanding RLS menu (see image)
Did your GP warn you that Ropinirole would increase the severity of your RLS over time? Or that you are at risk of Impulse Control Disorder?
UK doctors aren't taught anything about RLS BUT the Royal College of GPs have insisted that they will all know how to treat it by researching.
They don't.
If your GP hasn't warned you about augmentation or Impulse Control Disorder ( overeating, gambling, spending, hypersexuality) please let me know. I will message you about possible legal action.
You don't have to 'persuade' your GP to do a blood test.
It's the FIRST step he should have taken before prescribing medications.
And set out in NHS and NICE cks guidance
I presume you have severe RLS and cannot sit through a cinema film?
With the RIGHT doctor using the RIGHT tools- you could be symptom free.
But it will take time and first you have to get off Ropinirole.
The RLS-UK website has a printable page on Iron therapy and a withdrawal schedule for dopamine agonists under 'useful resources'.
Make sure your GP reads both.
And you can start to reduce now.
It will take you at least 6 months to get off Ropinirole.
I forgot to add on the antacid take it 30 minutes after eating and 4 hours before or 2 hours after taking iron. Don't take it within 2 hours of taking gabapentin if you eventually take it or antihistamines .
As Joolsg said 7 mg is much higher then the maximum dose which is on 4 mg.
By definition you are suffering from augmentation. The signs of augmentation are when you have to keep increasing your dose to get relief, or when your symptoms occur earlier in the day or there is a shorter period of rest or inactivity before symptoms start or when they move to other parts of your body (arms, trunk or face) or when the intensity of your symptoms worsen.
That means you need to come off it.
Ropinirole, pramipexole (Mirapex) and the Neupro (rotigotine) patch are no longer the first-line treatment for RLS, gabapentin or pregabalin are. They used to be the first-line treatment which is why so many doctors prescribed them but they are not uptodate on the current treatment recommendations.
First off check if you are on the slow release ropinirole . The slow release ones usually have ER or XL after their name. If so you need to switch to the regular ropinirole because the slow releases ones can't be cut if needed.
To come off ropinirole , reduce by .25 mg every 2 weeks or so. You will have increased symptoms. You may need to reduce more slowly or with a smaller amount. Wait until the increased symptoms from each reduction has settled before going to the next one. You will suffer and may need a low dose opioid temporarily to help out with the symptoms especially as you near the end. Some have used kratom or cannabis temporarily to help. But in the long run, you will be glad you came off it.
On the gabapentin or pregabalin, the beginning dose is usually 300 mg gabapentin (75 mg pregabalin). Start it 3 weeks before you are off ropinirole although it won't be fully effective until you are off it for several weeks.
After that increase it by 100 mg (25 mg pregabalin) every couple of days until you find the dose that works for you. Take it 1-2 hours before bedtime as the peak plasma level is 2 hours. If you need more than 600 mg take the extra 4 hours before bedtime as it is not as well absorbed above 600 mg. If you need more than 1200 mg, take the extra 6 hours before bedtime. (You don't need to divide the doses on pregabalin)
Most of the side effects will disappear after a few weeks and the few that don't will usually lessen. Those that remain are usually worth it for the elimination of the RLS symptoms. According to the Mayo Clinic Updated Algorithm on RLS: "Most RLS patients require 1200 to 1800 mg of gabapentin (200 to 300 mg of pregabalin)." If you take magnesium even in a multivitamin, take it at least 3 hours before or after taking gabapentin (it is OK with pregabalin) as it will interfere with the absorption of gabapentin and if you take calcium or antacids don't take it within 2 hours for the same reason (not sure about pregabalin).
Have you had your ferritin checked? If so what was it? Improving your ferritin to 100 or more helps 60% of people with RLS and in some cases completely eliminates their symptoms. If not ask your doctor for a full iron panel. Stop taking any iron supplements 48 hours before the test, don't eat a heavy meat meal the night before and fast after midnight. Have your test in the morning before 9 am if possible. When you get the results, ask for your ferritin and transferrin saturation (TSAT) numbers. If your ferritin is less than 100 or your transferrin saturation is less than 20 ask for an iron infusion to quickly bring it up as this will help your withdrawal. If you can't get an infusion, let us know and we can advise you further.
Check out the Mayo Clinic Updated Algorithm on RLS which will tell you everything you want to know including about its treatment and refer your doctor to it if needed as many doctors do not know much about RLS or are not uptodate on it as yours obviously isn't or s/he would never have prescribed a dopamine agonist at Https://mayoclinicproceedings.org/a...
SAVE THESE INSTRUCTIONS as it will be awhile before you are off ropinirole.
Meanwhile some things that can make RLS symptoms worse for some people are alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, sugar, carbs, foods high in sodium(salt), foods that cause inflammation, ice cream, eating late at night, estrogen including HRT, dehydration, MSG, collagen supplements, electrolyte imbalance, melatonin, eating late at night, stress and vigorous exercise. It is a good idea to keep a food diary to see if any food make your RLS worse.
Some things that help some people include caffeine, moderate exercise, weighted blankets, compression socks, elastic bandages, masturbation, magnesium glycinate, fennel, low oxalate diet, selenium, 5 minute shower alternating 20 seconds cold water with 10 seconds hot water finishing with hot water for another couple of minutes, hot baths, distractions, CBD, applying a topical magnesium lotion or spray, doing a magnesium salts soak, vitamins B1, B3, B6, B12, D3, K2, if deficient, and potassium and copper if deficient, massage including using a massage gun, vibration devices like therapulse, using a standing desk, listening to music, meditation and yoga.
Many medicines and OTC supplements can make RLS worse. If you are taking any and you list them here, I can tell you if any make RLS symptoms worse and if so may be able to give you a safe substitute. I have a list of more than 300 medicines and OTC supplements that make RLS worse and have safe alternatives for most of them.
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