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I am a 57 year old male. I've been feeling very tired and run down over the past months. I've been suffering from bouts of dizziness and my balance has become a real problem. My G.P. has run a whole range of blood tests. One of the tests carried out was Iron Profile and another was the Haematinics Profile. The results are as follows: Transferrin Saturation Index - 18% (20.00-50.00%).

Unsaturated Iron Binding Cap. - 58 umol/L (27.80-53.70umol/L).

Saturated Iron Binding Cap. - 70.7umol/L

Serum Iron Level - 12.7umol/L (8.00-32.00umol/L

HAEMATINICS PROFILE:

Serum Vitamin B12 - 800ng/L (211.00-911.00ng/L)

Serum Folate - 12.9ug/L (3.00-19.00ug/L)

Serum Ferritin - 45ug/L ( 22.00 - 322.00ug/L)

The haemoglobin estimation result is 167g/L (135.00-172.00g/L)

I would be extremely grateful for an opinion on these results.

My G.P. is telling me that I don't need to be prescribed any Iron supplements here.

I look forward to hearing from one or more of you knowledgeable members.

Many thanks.

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Sleepybunny

Hi,

Welcome to the forum.

I've assumed you're in UK.

The forum is used mainly by people with PA (Pernicious Anaemia), an autoimmune condition that leads to B12 deficiency. It's also used by people with B12 deficiency from other causes.

There is a form of anaemia associated with PA called megaloblastic anaemia where red blood cells are larger than normal.

This is different to iron deficiency anaemia.

People with PA can also have iron deficiency anaemia.

Types of Anaemia

patient.info/allergies-bloo...

This link about iron tests might be helpful. See section on what test results mean.

labtestsonline.org.uk/tests...

Your serum B12 is within normal range but quite far up the range.

Are you taking B12 supplements or having B12 injections?

Functional B12 deficiency

It's possible to have Functional B12 deficiency, where there is plenty of B12 in the blood but it's not getting to where it's needed in the cells so person develops B12 deficiency symptoms.

Are your symptoms consistent with B12 deficiency?

Some UK GPs may not be familiar with Functional B12 deficiency so you may need to nudge them to consider this.

MMA, homocysteine and Active B12 (holotranscobalamin) tests can help to diagnose functional B12 deficiency.

High B12 levels without supplementing/injections can sometimes be a sign of a serious health condition......I would expect a GP to check liver and kidney function and to order further blood tests eg full blood count (FBC).

Might be helpful to type out Full Blood Count results if you have them.

PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society) website has lots of useful info about PA.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

I left detailed replies on this thread with lots of B12 info.

Help Needed! Have I got Pernicious Anaemia?

healthunlocked.com/pasoc/po...

I'm not medically trained just someone who suffered for years from unrecognised and untreated B12 deficiency.

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toSleepybunny

Thank you so much. I'll provide you with my other blood results etc. within the next few days.

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Popcorn12345

I was told ferritin should be over 50 and if your tranferrrin is under 20% then you are iron deficient

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SlothMode

Hiya Henbud,

I’m sorry to hear u are going through all this. Sadly I can’t help with your results but I can send u a hug. I hope it helps πŸ˜ŠπŸ€—πŸ’œ

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toSlothMode

Hugs to you too! πŸ€— 😘xxx

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Nackapan

I would also question your iron results. Also ask for other tests to find a cause

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toNackapan

Thank you for your reply. I'll keep you updated. πŸ™‚

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J972

Your ferritin is low but before supplementing it’s recommended that you have a full iron panel. This is because you can have low ferritin but high iron. Supplementing with iron without knowing the full picture could be dangerous. It’s worth asking your GP about the test but in my experience they’re not particularly familiar with it. Many on the thyroid forum, where I usually lurk, use private finger prick tests to determine their iron status.

Out of interest, have you had your thyroid levels checked?

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toJ972

Thank you for taking the time to reply.This is very interesting. Is the Full Iron Panel different to the Iron Profile Test that I've just had done? I have had the thyroid function checked. The result is Serum TSH Level 2.35miu/L ( 0.30-5.00miu/L).

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Orchard33

It is possible that you are iron deficient without anaemia as your ferritin level is low. This is a recognised condition but, it seems to me, few GPs know about it. It is tricky to diagnose and it is another instance where symptoms are far more important than tests. I saw a haematologist privately who was prepared to administer a ferritin infusion and see what happened. I also self-prescribed haem iron as the synthetics had a bad effect. It worked.

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toOrchard33

Thank you. I'm thinking that I may need to go down this route and see a consultant haematologist on a private basis. I'll keep you updated.

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Sleepybunnyβ€’ in reply toHenbud

This article is about non anaemic iron deficiency.

It's aimed at doctors so might be worth showing to your GP.

patient.info/doctor/non-ana...

Have a look when you have time at these documents

NICE CKS (clinical knowledge summary) iron deficiency

Aimed mainly at health professionals.

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/anae...

NICE CKS B12 and folate deficiency

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/anae...

New NICE B12 deficiency guideline - published 2024.

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng239

I don't know if this is relevant to you but thought you might be interested...

Low iron can lead to small red blood cells (microcytosis).

Low B12 (and low folate) can lead to large red blood cells (macrocytosis).

A person with both low iron and low B12 may appear to have normal sized red blood cells on full blood count (FBC) as effects of iron deficiency may mask effects of b12 deficiency.

It's even trickier to work out whats causing what in a person with B12, folate and iron deficiencies.

Link about Full Blood Count.

labtestsonline.org.uk/tests...

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Mixtecaβ€’ in reply toHenbud

I would suggest you see a specialist in iron, a Dr K in Cambridge, who's also a B12 specialist.

My transferrin saturation % was also 18, which was a significant deficiency according to Dr K, and my ferritin was 30. I was having EOD B12 injections and needed an iron infusion.

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toMixteca

Thank you Mixteca. I sincerely hope you're now feeling better following Dr K's involvement. This is very interesting. Would you mind sending me the full contact details for Dr K? What were your symptoms before you managed to get the appropriate treatment? Did any of your symptoms resemble any of mine?

What did your G.P. make of your blood results? I'm getting the feeling that my G.P. perhaps isn't fully understanding my test results.

I look forward to hearing from you.

πŸ™‚

FlipperTD profile image
FlipperTD

Scientist, not medic.

Your results so far point to iron deficiency, or on the brink of it.

Your Hb is normal. Some more of your FBC data would be interesting and might reveal a bit more of the story.

If you've not had your thyroid function tested, than that'd be a good idea too.

Good luck.

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toFlipperTD

Thanks Flipper TD. Is there a way of me sending you a private message on here?

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toFlipperTD

Hi Flipper, These are my recent blood results. Hopefully you can make some sense of them. Once again, a big thank you for your help here.πŸ™‚

Document in red and black.
Litatamon profile image
Litatamon

Flipper already mentioned this- getting a thyroid panel would be a good idea.

And -

Have you ever had a sleep study? Sleep apnea can have many overlapping symptoms.

All the best to you.

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toLitatamon

Thanks for your reply. I'm going to look in to this. I've never had a sleep study. This is something I will discuss with my G.P. πŸ™‚

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Litatamonβ€’ in reply toHenbud

Not everyone has all these signs with sleep apnea but -

*Waking up tired even when one has slept many hours

*waking up very suddenly & do not know why

*sometimes, but not for all, that waking up suddenly can come with gasping and/or choking

*brain fog

*extensive daytime fatigue

*dry mouth upon waking

*difficulty concentrating

*mood changes - low mood and/or irritability (can come across as overly reactive)

*noted decrease in sex drive

*frequent urination at night

*morning headache (this one is often a symptom for females)

*snoring - note: one can snore & not have sleep apnea

*high blood pressure

Even if you only have a few of these symptoms it would be good for your doctor to send you because of your fatigue. Just to cross it off.

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Jo5454

Hi Henbud, sorry you're feeling this way...are you still having b12 injections? If so how regularly?

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Henbudβ€’ in reply toJo5454

Hi there, thank you for your message. I am still having the B12 injection every 3 months.

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Jo5454

Do you think these may not be regular enough? Had a ittke read back & you were having weekly initially? B12 & iron work so closely together?

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