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As the B12 provided by the UK NHS has proved to be totally inadequate for my wife's needs, we have been supplementing her with injections of 1mg Methylcobolamin every month. This is proved to be literally a life-saver. She still gets a B12 shot every 3 months per NICE guidelines. Her recent blood test showed her B12 serum levels to be above the reference range and the practice nurse refused to treat her at all.

I wrote the following letter for her doctor and attach a Dutch document together with supporting research references that prove the effectiveness of the treatment and the meaninglessness of serum levels of cobolamin.

"10th August 2017

xxxxxxxxxx – SERUM B12 LEVEL

Please note that in 1985 I had severe Halothane Hepatitis. I was transferred to the Liver Failure Unit in Kings College Hospital in London. This was the second incident. I learned subsequently that both were caused by hospital failure to follow proper anaesthetic guidelines. Since that time I have been diagnosed and treated by the NHS for pernicious anaemia.

It is a matter of speculation that my liver is unable to store B12 as efficiently as a normal liver, given the severity of my hepatitis (I was in a coma for 6 weeks). As my pernicious anaemia degenerated I approached the ******* Medical Practice to point out that the three-monthly injection was symptomatically inadequate. In the third month I was experiencing neurological symptoms, extreme tiredness and possible signs of peripheral neuropathy.

I was told by Doctor ***** that my serum levels were within normal range and that no further treatment was available. The standard NHS treatment and the rigidity of the NICE guidelines by which he was bound, was obviously not adequate to address my specific circumstances. It was necessary therefore to look into the problem and assess the risk/reward issue, before I suffered irreversible damage to my central and peripheral nervous systems.

It appears that serum levels of cobolamin are no meaningful guide to the adequacy of the B12 status of a patient. (Please see the attached paper together with supporting scientific references). As this paper is based on the findings of the Dutch National Health Council, the American Institute of Medicine and the Scientific Committee for Human Food from the European Union I believe that it is reasonable to take it seriously.

Serum levels of B12 can be elevated for a number of reasons – including cirrosis of the liver. During my liver failure my Prothrombin count reached 42 seconds. It would therefore be naive to think that no damage was done. A reduced ability to store B12 is put forward as a reasonable assumption – particularly as it accords with observed (and experienced) symptoms.

In the absence of treatment that addressed the reality of my predicament, I had no option but to recourse to self-medication. This takes the form of 1mg of Methylcobolamin injections monthly (except months when I have a NHS dose). My symptoms have abated and I live a normal life. I lost all my hair to allpoecia totalis. I have noted that since starting this regular regime that my hair has started to re-grow.

I appreciate the medical concern about B12 overdose. However – this does not appear to be well-founded. Please see the paper below. Massive doses of cobolamin are even used as a standard treatment for cyanide poisoning, raising serum levels hundreds of times my level without side effects.

I feel that the NICE guidelines are questionable. There are subtleties of cobolamin metabolism and exceptions to the complex path of absorption and storage that do not lend themselves to rigid guidelines. I feel that this is an area that therapeutic flexibility and discretion are required if the patients needs are to be adequately met.

THIS IS THE ACCOMPANYING PAPER

Treatment with high dose vitamin B12 been shown to be safe for more than 50 years

• Out of fear of overdosing vitamin B12, treatment is often reduced to below the frequency that is needed by the patient, or, even worse, treatment is stopped completely.

• As a result, symptoms can reoccur again and again and even become irreversible.

• It is very clear this fear of overdosing is based on a misunderstanding. For over 60 years high dose vitamin B12 treatment has been used without any signs of the danger of an overdose.

• The Dutch National Health Counsel and the Regional Disciplinary Medical Board of Eindhoven have stated clearly that vitamin B12 is non-toxic.

• Clinical research and the treatment for cyanide poisoning have shown that even extremely high doses of vitamin B12 and the serum values that go with it are harmless.

A decennia long history of safe treatment

In 1926 it was discovered that patients with pernicious anaemia could be saved from a certain death by eating a pound of raw liver a day. More than 20 years later the substance that was responsible for that was isolated from liver extract: vitamin B12 or cobalamin. Since then numerous patients have been treated with high dose vitamin B12 worldwide. Usually per injection and often lifelong, as a deficiency is mostly caused by an irreversible absorption disorder. In all that time harmful effects have never been shown from overdose. No single case has been found in medical literature in the past 60 years.

No maximum dose

The Dutch National Health Council therefore decided not to determine a safe upper intake level for vitamin B12. In their report from 2003 “Voedingsnormen: vitamine B6, foliumzuur en vitamine B12” the council joined expert commissions from the American Institute of Medicine and the Scientific Committee for Human Food from the European Union, who had already reported 3 years earlier that toxicity from high dose vitamin B12 poses no real danger.1
Of course, like with any medical treatment, side effects can occur. Acne, eczema and itching seldom occur and very rarely anaphylactic shock. Changing brands of vitamin B12, forms of B12 (cyanocobalamin vs hydroxocobalamin), or switching from injections to tablets can be a solution in those (rare) cases.

Misunderstandings about blood and reference values

Yet often physicians reduce injections or even stop treatment altogether out of fear of overdosing B12. The result is that many patients are left with recurring or lasting symptoms, which could be relieved by more frequent injections. After an injection the serum B12 value rises quickly, well above the upper reference value (on average 150-700 pmol/L), followed by a slow decrease. Apparently the underlying thought is that it is necessary to keep the value between the (upper and lower) reference values. However the blood level of serum B12 rises regardless of therapeutic effectiveness.2
A high serum B12 value does not mean that symptoms are treated sufficiently. This presumption can have damaging effects for patients with neurological symptoms, which can become irreversible with insufficient treatment.

Treatment based on symptoms instead of blood values

The recommended treatment in the Netherlands consists of a hydroxocobalamin injection of 1mg every two months, after an initial loading dose of 10 injections in 5 to 10 weeks.3
No reference is made to the serum value or a danger of overdosing, unlike for instance in case of a vitamin D or A deficiency. The lack of danger of an overdose is further underlined by the advice to treat patients with neurological involvement with two injections a week for up to two years, if necessary. This also emphasizes that symptoms and not blood values should be used as a guideline. If serum values were decisive, even patients with neurological involvement could suffice with the maintenance dose of one injection every two months after the initial loading dose.

Elevated serum B12 values in serious conditions

Maybe the concern for a possible overdose is caused by the knowledge that some life-threatening diseases can be accompanied by a strong increase in the B12 blood value, in some cases to even 30 times the upper reference value.4
In blood diseases like leukemia, polycythemia vera and hypereosinophylic syndrome, the cause is often an enhanced production of the transport protein haptocorrin, to which most of the circulating B12 in blood is bound.
In liver diseases such as acute hepatitis, live cirrhosis and liver cancer, elevated B12 values are often found because the liver is no longer capable of storing vitamin B12.
Elevated B12 values are always cause for further testing, but of course, to the contrary, it cannot be concluded that elevated levels after B12 injections leads to serious disease.

Scientific research

Scientific literature offers numerous examples from which it can be concluded that treatment with high dose B12 up to very high serum values is no cause for concern.

• • In the treatment of children with an inborn error in the production of transcobalamin II, the binding protein that transports B12 to the cells, serum values are kept at levels of 10 000 pg/ml (about 7 400 pmol/L) without any side-effects.5

• • Japanese research from 1994 into the effects of B12 therapy in patients with multiple sclerosis shows that a daily tablet with 60 mg methylcobalamin during six months is non-toxic. Half of the patients even started with two weeks of daily 5 mg B12 injections straight into the blood. 6

• • In the fifties, when chemotherapy wasn’t available yet, children with neuroblastoma (a tumour of the autonomous nervous-system) received 1 mg B12 injections every other day during 2 to 3 years in a London children’s hospital. From 1957 the dose was adjusted to 1 mg per 7 kilograms of body-weight. In the majority of patients the tumour disappeared wholly or partially and the chance of survival was considerably increased.7

• • In 1999 in Japan, kidney dialysis patients with polyneuropathy, received 0.5 mg methylcobalamin 3 times a week intravenously for 6 months. Because of lack of renal clearance, serum values rose to more than a hundredfold from 422 pmol/L on average to 54 000 pmol/L, with 67 000 pmol/L as highest value, without side-effects. 8

• • Also in Japan, in 2007, patients with the incurable neurodegenerative disease ALS (Lou Gehrig’s disease) received daily injections with 25 mg methylcobalamin for 4 weeks, followed by daily injections of 50 mg intravenously, followed by 50 mg a week. In the long term, treated patients survived for longer because of this, than did untreated patients.9

Megadoses B12 as lifesaving antidote

The safety of vitamin B12 treatment is further illustrated by the decennia long use of hydroxocobalamin as an antidote for cyanide poisoning, often caused by smoke inhalation. In the Netherlands ambulances, fire departments and emergency rooms have the Cyanokit at their disposal. In life threatening situations 5 g hydroxocobalamin is given intravenously within 15 minutes, an amount that corresponds with 5 000 injections of 1 mg B12.10 Hydroxocobalamin reacts in the body with cyanide, and forms cyanocobalamin, which is excreted in urine.
The serum value of B12 can rise to an average of 560 000 000 pmol/L within 50 minutes.11 If necessary this treatment is repeated within several hours, making the total dose 10 grams. The side effects that occur, like reddening of the skin and urine and changes in heart rate and blood pressure are temporary and harmless. In short: 10 000 injections a day are still not enough for an overdose of vitamin B12.

Regional Disciplinary Medical Board: vitamin B12 cannot be overdosed

In 2009, the Regional Disciplinary Medical Board in Eindhoven stated very clearly that an overdose is not possible: “There can be no question of an overdose of hydroxocobalamin, as the excess is excreted in urine by the kidneys and therefore cannot accumulate in the body.12 The Medical Board ruled against a patient who claimed his deteriorating health was due to the continued treatment with B12 injections. The patient received monthly injections for 10 years. The physician was not rebuked because the patient was treated according to guidelines.

Conclusion

A vitamin B12 deficiency can cause many different symptoms, among which are serious neurological problems. The treatment with high dose B12 injections is not only completely safe but fortunately also very effective. With the right treatment patients can recover completely. Starting straight away with treatment is essential, as is the continuing treatment in order to give the body enough B12 to fully recover. Therefore it is essential that patients are no longer exposed to the real danger of irreversible symptoms because of the imaginary fear of overdosing.

References


1. Voedingsnormen: vitamine B6, foliumzuur en vitamine B12. (Nutritional standards: vitamin B6, folic acid, vitamin B12) Gezondheidsraad.Publicatienr. 2003/04, Gezondheidsraad, (Dutch National Health Counsel) Den Haag 2003:130-31
2. How I treat cobalamin (vitamin B12) deficiency. Carmel R. Blood 2008;112: 2214-21
3. College voor Zorgverzekeringen. Farmacotherapeutisch Kompas. CVZ, (pharmaceutical reference book) Amstelveen 2011
4. De betekenis van een te hoge cobalamineconcentratie in het bloed. (the significance of a high cobalaminconcentration in blood) Ermens AAM, Vlasveld LTh, Van Marion-Kievit JA, Lensen CJPA, Lindemans J. NTvG 2002;146:459-64
5. Inherited disorders of folate and cobalamin transport and metabolism. FentonWA, Rosenblatt DS. In: Stanbury JB ea. (eds). Online Metabolic & Molecular Bases of Inherited Disease, The McGraw-Hill Companies,
New York 2001:3897-933
6. Vitamin B12 metabolism and massive-dose methyl vitamin B12 therapy in Japanese patients with multiple sclerosis. Kira J, Tobimatsu S, Goto I.Intern Med 1994;33(2):82-86
7. Neuroblastoma: an evaluation of its natural history and the effects of therapy, with particular reference to treatment by massive doses of vitamin B12. Bodian M. Arch Dis Child 1963;38(202):606–19
8. Intravenous methylcobalamin treatment for uremic and diabetic neuropathy in chronic hemodialysis patients. Kuwabara S, Nakazawa R, Azuma N, Suzuki M, Miyajima K, Fukutake T, Hattori T. Intern Med 1999;38(6):472-75
9. Clinical trials of ultra-high-dose methylcobalamin in ALS. Izumi Y, Kaji R. Brain Nerve 2007;59(10):1141-47
10. European Medicines Agency (EMEA). Europees openbaar beoordelingsrapport (EPAR) Cyanokit,Londen 2007
11. Hydroxocobalamin as a cyanide antidote: safety, efficacy and pharmacokinetics in heavily smoking normal volunteers. Forsyth JC, Mueller PD, Becker ChE, Osterloh J, Benowitz NL, Rumack BH, Hall AH. Clin Toxicol 1993;31:277-94
12. Regionaal Tuchtcollege voor de Gezondheidszorg te Eindhoven. (Regional Disciplinary Medical Board

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I hope that this is of some use to you when discussing your problems with the medical profession.

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wedgewood

Well done , and thanks for sending that for us .

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Hi Johnathan P.A. = B12 for life not at a nurse's whim

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Jonathan - just to let you know that I edited the post to remove the name that was in the headline of the letter.

The attitude of your GP in sticking to 3 monthly is not really understandable if they were using the NICE guidelines as a justification as the NICE guidelines clearly state that maintenance doses should be 2 monthly if there is neurological involvement. No guarantee that that would have resolved the problem but ....

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Johnathan in reply to Gambit62

That particular GP had a serious God complex and has now thankfully retired. The practice is still sticking to 3 monthly. Neurological involvement does not apparently get recognised until observable damage has been done. I very much doubt that 2 monthly would be sufficient for my wife. She has been very much knocked about by the medical profession. There is a high probability that her original liver failure was a result of medical negligence - although we did not realise this at the time. The mis-management of her resulting PA is insult to injury.

There was no need to edit out my wife's name. If she was not happy to have it in public i would not have posted it. She has nothing to hide and there are no confidentiality issues here.

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Gambit62Administrator in reply to Johnathan

its amazing how one-sided some can be in using guidelines. the whole thrust of the guidance is to stop damage occurring.

glad that you have managed to identify a regime that works.

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Marymary7

Brilliant response to GP. Your wife has a great partner. Good luck in helping her.

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CCSP-27

Wow Johnathan fantastic info for us all ! Thank you.

I'm dying to knowing the response, if any ,from the GP with the "serious God complex" ?

I've managed to talk my GP into twice monthly injections. He just gives in to me, I honestly think it's because he trusts my research. Maybe he actually knows there's no danger of overdose !

I get about 10 days symptom free. It's hard to tell as I've a serious undiagnosed Neuro condition too. PC and IF tests positive for antibodies btw and I only know because I requested they were tested.

At least I now know to ask for the active B12 test and not just the serum test. I'm not sure if it's now too late as I've had months of the loading dose ?

That Practice Nurse is a 'jobs worth' Who gave her leave to decide on frequency of treatment ! Mine once told me I had to have a yearly asthma review with her because "it was against the law not to" I actually laughed out loud ! I see a lung consultant privately, maybe she'd be better than him !

Quietly assertive and pro active remains the way to go !

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Frodo

I'm really sorry to hear what your wife has had to endure, and thanks for posting something that will be of help to others.

I will certainly keep a copy for reference. I've seen the paper before but had forgotten how useful it is.

Unfortunately it seems as if the UK guidelines, which as I understand it are based on medical misunderstanding and a cost cutting financial agenda, are the greatest influence on treatment and can allow the needs of the patient to be legitimately ignored.

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jlee0614

Thank you. The information you provided is very helpful.

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Sleepybunny

Hi,

Glad to hear that you have been able to help your wife but seems strange that you can't get the maximum possible B12 treatment from NHS.

"The practice is still sticking to 3 monthly."

I wondered if you were members of PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society)? They can sometimes intervene on behalf of members trying to get correct treatment.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

pernicious-anaemia-society....

PAS tel no +44 (0)1656 769 717 answerphone so messages can be left.

There are stories on Martyn Hooper's blog about how PAS has helped people.

martynhooper.com/

UK B12 treatment info

1) BNF British National Formulary Chapter 9 Section 1.2

All UK GPs will have access to this , probably a copy of BNF sitting on your GPs desk or bookshelf.

If they look at Section 1.2 in Chapter 9 they can see that the regime for B12 treatment for those with neuro symptoms is loading injections every other day for as long as symptoms continue to get better then an injection every 2 months.

It's possible to get own copy of BNF from a good bookshop or popular internet retailer.

bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/hydrox...

cks.nice.org.uk/anaemia-b12...

2) Treatment info is also in BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines, about a quarter through document.

b-s-h.org.uk/guidelines/gui...

Link about writing to GPs about B12 deficiency

b12deficiency.info/b12-writ...

Point 1 is about undertreatment of B12 deficiency with neuro symptoms. Person who runs website can be contacted by e-mail. Details on website.

"and the practice nurse refused to treat her at all. "

The PAS have a leaflet "Treatment is for life" which PAS members can print off.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

I am not medically trained just someone who has struggled to get a diagnosis.

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Johnathan

Sleepybunny

Thx for your efforts. I am medically trained - albeit a BSc Hons in Herbal Medicine. The anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, differential diagnosis and pathophysiology are the same as orthodox medicine. Obviously the pharmacopia is different. I already have a BNF - and several thousand pounds worth of medical text-books.

Unfortunately I have had to deal with a GP with a serious God-complex that is not going to accept any observations or suggestions (let alone corrections on NICE guidelines) from a mere Herbalist. Herbal medicine cannot replace a B12 injection or we would not be in the position in which we find ourselves. I could not wait to fight the system while my wife deteriorated. I now thank God that I did not.

As her self-medication is now in the open it will be interesting to see how her medical practice reacts. The "God-complex" doctor has retired and his loss is unlamented. (My wife was among many who had off-hand treatment from him). I see three ways that the Medical Practice can now react:

1 They can accept the force of the argument and react positively - treating to symptoms on the defensible basis that guidelines ARE guidelines - not rules and that patients needs must be assessed on a case by case basis.

2 They can react negatively and threaten her with de-registration

3 They can ignore the letter and pretend that there is nothing that they can do and let her get on with self-medication while they cling to NICE guidelines and knowingly under-treat their patients.

My money is on the third option. I will post the results.

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