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I had my long waited for follow up visit to my haematologist earlier in the week. I thought I had prepared well for the consultation, in that I prepared a carefully written sheet of current symptoms and concerns, and also some questions that I wanted to ask. I was actually looking forward to the appointment, and hoped that it would give me some reassurance and a sense of the ET condition being well looked after.

My appointment was a fairly early morning one, and I have been struggling with mornings lately, and the Great Day unfortunately coincided with me experiencing fatigue quite badly. My wife kindly accompanied me to the appointment, and supported me throughout the consultation.

Whilst still walking into the room, the haematologist asked me how I was. I replied that I was not feeling as good as I had when I saw her at the previous appointment (3 - 4 months ago). She responded by asking if I thought that was due to my medication.

I was rather "thrown" by this question as she should have known that I was still only on daily aspirin. I responded, whilst taking a seat, that it was not due to medication, as I wasn't on any, but I thought it was due to having rather too many platelets in my blood! After all, they had been climbing steadily in numbers.

I briefly managed to introduce my wife at that point, then I was asked about what symptoms I had.

I responded that I was greatly troubled by fatigue and that I was starting to experience the migraine-like headaches that I had before I started daily aspirin. I added that I had also had a "silent" migraine of the type where only a visual display of coloured lights is experienced, but no pain. I made the comment that aspirin completely made these things go away when my platelet counts were much lower (800 - 900s).

She then told me that you don't get headaches with ET, because platelets are tiny things, and that it is PV people that get headaches, because the red blood cells are much bigger and tend to clog things up. She also said that fatigue is a" very vague thing", and it could be caused by all sorts of things that have nothing to do with ET.

She also (rather patronisingly I thought) said it is normal for platelet counts to vary between 150 - 400, and implied that I shouldn't be so concerned about my ones rising. Mine have climbed steadily over the last couple of years, and have never dropped, I was 1050 at the last count.

I managed to tell her that, "with respect", she was wrong about ET and headaches, that there was a relationship between them, and that my fatigue was now causing me so much trouble that my work (I am self employed as a potter) had almost had to be reduced to the level of a hobby.

We then "progressed" to Hydroxyurea. When HU was mentioned (along the lines of, well you might try it if you really think that your symptoms are caused by ET. We normally wait until you are 60 or the counts are 1500, but you can start it if you like).

I said I had concerns about HU, because I have problems with fair skin that burns very easily and have had many "dubious" moles removed over the years that were thought to be turning cancerous. I also have had chronic mouth ulcers. I asked her if it would be possible to have interferon instead.

She responded with, "I don't know where you have been getting your information from...." I was assured that "heaps of her ET patients take HU without problems", and that it doesn't have a cancer risk, and is given to infants who have sickle cell anaemia. She said that interferon has troubling side effects, needs to be injected 3 times a week, and indicated that she would not be able to administer it anyway without some sort of special authority, due to the costs and funding guidelines. (Ha, we certainly didn't get to discuss the more expensive slow release interferon).

She wrote me out a script for HU, said to take 2 500mg tablets daily, and that I had better have 2 weekly blood tests (after asking me how often my blood tests were currently... I thought she should have known that!). She offered to print me out an information sheet for HU "if I wanted it", but offered no further advice.

I tried to prompt for more information, saying that I understood that it was important to keep well hydrated? Her response was to caution that some people overdo that "by trying to do the right thing", but between 2 - 3 litres per day was sufficient.

And that was it.... I left a copy of the carefully written sheet that I had hoped to discuss on the haematologist's table. I mentioned that I got most of my information and support from MPN Voice, and that there was a link to this good site on the sheet that I left with her. And out the door we wobbled.

I was so thankful to have my wife with me. The appointment had gone very badly, and it was helpful to be able to discuss it with her, and to have had her to confirm my impression of it.

I had not been able to put my point of view at all effectively at the consultation, because of the fatigue, and do realise that this made things harder for the haematologist, but I do know that she was quite wrong with a number of things.

I wish I had the cheek to ask her how many ET patients she had, as I found the description of "heaps of my ET patients" a bit hard to believe. Our city has a population of 100,000.... given that less than 3 people per 100,000 are diagnosed with ET per year, than it is unlikely that our city has much of a "heap", unless there is an unusual ET hotspot here! Unfortunately it is just about possible that she might in fact have a small "heap" as she may well be overworked. We are very, very short of medical specialists in the South of the South Island of New Zealand, and I rather suspect that there will be few haematologists so I probably won't get to choose who I see.

I am very troubled by all this. I have not yet started the HU, but think that I will have to. My GP has prescribed blood pressure and cholesterol medication for me, that I was about to make a start with. I had my first BP pill yesterday, but have had a similar headache to my ET related ones, and am wondering if I would be best to get the platelets down with HU first, and then tackle the BP. One problem with the BP pills is that they have a diuretic effect, which is probably the last thing I need when my brain is clogging up with tiny "non-clogging" platelets!

Thank you for providing a forum where I can get some of this off my chest. I'm sorry it is not a cheerful post. I have huge sympathy for all of you who have suffered from bad experiences with Specialists and GPs. It would be bliss simply to be believed and taken seriously.

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jane13 profile image
jane13

oh dear.....how similar some of our experiences are, half a world apart. Is yr GP someone you could discuss things with? esp the bp pills v keeping well hydrated? or a decent pharmacist ; often very well informed?

good luck

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stillkicking in reply to jane13

Hi Jane13,

Thank you for your comment. Sorry to hear that you also have similar experiences with the good people of the medical profession! I'm not quite sure what's happening with our GPs as I have just heard that one that I went to recently is leaving the practice very soon, and the other has been away on leave! I'll have to see if I can get an appointment with someone.

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Bridie123

Hi there, I am a middle aged woman in the UK, and have almost the same experience, word for word! Maybe these hematologists all have the same script to read from. I take two hydroxy and one clopidogrel a day and my counts are good. However I feel so ill with the heads and fatigue and depression that I am still off work. ( since December without pay) The haematologist says that it's not the ET or meds,it's more likely that I'm a middle aged woman. I know this isn't true because of this wonderful site .

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stillkicking in reply to Bridie123

Hi Bridie,

Thank goodness for this site, it helps enormously to know that one is not alone, even if it is very sad to realise that others suffer. I am sorry that you are still troubled by heads, fatigue and depression even though the counts are good, It must be very hard to come to terms with that after committing to the hydroxy, and awful not being able to work. I can't help but think that there is more to ET than platelets. As a late middle aged man, the medical people will have some difficulty claiming my symptoms are due to menopause, but... we will have to see what they dream up, I'm sure they will dream up something!

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nodmeister in reply to Bridie123

outrageous.

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Peterwi

Hi, I have been on HU for 3 years. Before then I suffered from headache, burning fingers, fatigue and vision problems. At first my platelets were 700-800, which is not that high, but I needed to get them down to 350 before I felt better.

But it took me a year for my body to get used to HU. In the beginning I had leg pain and mouth ulcers. Then I started on aspirin and that help on the leg pain.

2500 mg HU a day is a high dose to start with, which will maybe give you more side effects ? I started on 500 mg a day, then 10 tables a week and now I'm down to 8 tablets a week. But we all react differently to HU.

Regards W

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stillkicking in reply to Peterwi

Hi Peterwi,

Thank you for your thoughts. It is interesting that you needed to get to 350 before you felt better. I was starting to feel quite ill by the time my platelets had risen to the mid 600s, which is why I had a full blood count done in the first place. My haematologist tells me that many people with ET are asymptomatic, even with counts of 1500 or 2000, and seems reluctant to believe that what I am feeling has anything to do with ET! Very frustrating.

Sorry, I should have put a x sign in between the 2 and 500 when I was talking of HU tablets. I will be taking 2 x 500mg per day if I obey what is written on the pill bottle. I am very tempted to phase it in with 500 per day to begin with.

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mhos61

Hi Stillkicking,

I'm really sorry to hear of your disappointing haematology appointment, I can imagine how disheartened you must be feeling right now. I feel angry on your behalf 😡

From what I understand, your geographical placing is limiting your choice in healthcare?

Is the haematologist that you are presently 'under' the only one at your local hospital? If not, I would definitely ask to be referred to another. Its bad enough to have a diagnosis of an MPN - but to have an patronising Consultant as well......

Are there any haematologists that specialise in MPNs in say, Auckland or Wellington that you could see on a 'one off' consultation, who could then advise your present haematologist the best way forward for you. If this is simply not possible, then I would at least suggest that you have regular visits with your (new) GP, who I hope you'll find confidence in. Meanwhile, keep posting here.

Mary x

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stillkicking

Good morning/evening Mary, this time zone difference is quite amusing really. I'm writing this whilst sitting in bed with my first cup of tea of the day! I'm almost certainly going to see a GP in the next few days and try to discuss with them what my options are. Unfortunately it would be very difficult for me to travel to Auckland, because I cannot fly due to serious trouble with my ears, so it would take me 3 or 4 days to travel up there and 3 or 4 days back by public transport. There is a specialist in Auckland with an interest in MPNs so the trip may still be worth doing, but it would be a major undertaking. I wish it were possible to have Skype consultations with an expert, that would be great!

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mhos61

mpnforum.com/list-hem/

Yes, I do appreciate travel is likely to be a problem. It is a huge predicament for you!

The above link highly recommends (by people with MPNs) two haematologists one in Auckland and one in Hamilton. Maybe it is something to consider in the future. Hope your ear issue is improving.

Mary x

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stillkicking in reply to mhos61

Thanks so much for the link Mary, it is very helpful and encouraging to have names of haematologists who may be helpful. It could well be useful in the future.

I had a very good consultation with an ENT surgeon last week and we will wait and see for a couple of months, because there is a chance that the fluid that is in there will clear of its own accord, which would be marvellous, but we have discussed many options for what could be done if this doesn't happen. I feel in very good hands with him.

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Sherin-M

Hi stillkicking, I have PV and have been taking Hydrea for about eight years 4 a day for the last two or three years. Just wanted to say don't be afraid of taking it. I was worried when I first started on it, I had heard of other peoples problems, but decided to try it and see for myself everyone is different and for me it works well. I am in Australia and came from England as a child so far no skin problems. Try to be positive. Best wishes.

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stillkicking in reply to Sherin-M

Hi Sherin,

Thank you so much for your encouragement, and the wisdom of what you say, I really appreciate it. You are right about not being afraid, and being positive. I realise that I do need to change my attitude to the drugs, after all, HU will give me a chance to bring the platelet count down, which is a very good thing! I am so pleased that HU is working for you.

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fee13

I take a supplement called astaxanthin (pronounced asta-Zan-thin), it minimises sun burn. Also soleo natural sunscreen, main ingredient is zinc but does not leave the white marks as others do. There's also a product from "natural instinct" that's natural and works very well.

I am tempted to contact the heam specialists that Mary noted in her link above and try to bring about some more "training" and education to other specialists around New Zealand. I have been treated the same and don't bother telling anyone my symptoms as they pass it off as something else, totally ignore the fact or say I'm being neurotic. It is so demeaning and confusing as I had started to believe them and now have become very anxious and embarrassed to tell anyone of my symptoms. Thank heavens this forum has saved some of my sanity 😊

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stillkicking in reply to fee13

Hi fee13,

Good to hear from you. Thanks for the info regarding the supplement and the sunscreen, I will look out for them and see if I can get them in Dunedin or on line. I'm sad to hear that you have been treated in a similar fashion. I was fortunate that my wife came into the consultation with me, as it is easy to crumble under a load of self doubt and embarrassment when a specialist refuses to accept that your symptoms are part of the disease. I did "crumble" afterwards to be sure, but it was good to talk it through with my wife, and realise that I wasn't entirely balmy!

If specialists won't acknowledge the real, everyday symptoms that the MPN community experience, then we all lose, as there is an important aspect of these diseases that goes unrecognised.

It would be interesting to have an MPN forum in NZ for patients and specialists with a good speaker or two. I wonder how many people with MPNs are over here?

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Stevesmum42

Hi stillkicking.

I admire all your preparation that you did for your consultation , how appallingly you were treated. You know how you feel ....and for your heamo to dismiss your concerns as she did was certainly not how to deal with an anxious patient who is basically asking the questions that one should ask. It has happened to me in the past and I know exactly how you feel......tottaly deflated and feeling what a waste of consultation time. How very frustrating especially when you don't have an alternative specialist to turn to.

You appear to be starting on a fairly high dose, I know I was started low and gradually worked up to a higher dose , to help you ease into the med. I too am on hydroxy for ET.

I do hope you can get some answers for your own peace of mind, the condition is enough to deal with without not being happy and confident with your practitioner.

Best wishes to you. Sandy x

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stillkicking in reply to Stevesmum42

Hi Sandy, thank you for your thoughtful comments. You mentioned that you started HU on a low dose and gradually worked up to a higher one, I was wondering if you would mind letting me know what dose you started at?

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Stevesmum42 in reply to stillkicking

I will check back through my records tomorrow and see if I can find the info. So bear with me.

Sandy

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