What next? Advice on going abroad and different treatment plans after BFNs and poor egg quality.

[D3an0]

A bit of a run down first… 5 years of fertility treatment for unexplained infertility.

NHS

Put on clomid - didn’t work and never should have been put on it because of thin lining issues.

Covid stopped my treatment

IUI - highest meriofert didn’t work as my lining wasn’t thick enough

Ivf round 1 - highest meriofert. Only produced 1 follicle so cancelled.

Ivf - round 2 - put on 75ml meriofert over 8 weeks and increased for 325ml last week. Ended with 1 frozen embryo and no transfer due to bad lining.

FET - Tried eostrogen tablets, patches for lining, nothing would get my lining beyond 5.4.

Used meriofert to get lining to 6.7 but transfer cancelled.

Lots of heartache and added stress from horrendous treatment at Homerton hospital and Middlesex in london.

Also found out from a private clinic in these years from nhs my Amh had dropped to 3 from 11 and no one had told me.

Moved to private clinic in Oxford and took my frozen embryo over.

Ivf round 1 - 325 ovuleap over 3 weeks. 4 follicles, at collection 2 empty, 1 fertilised but stopped dividing day 3. No transfer. Lining 6.9

Ivf round 2 - 225 ovuleap 150 menupur 3 weeks. 6 eggs collected, 2 fertilised 1 made it to day 5 but not great quality. Transferred with lining of 7mm. BFN

Ivf round 3 - 225 ovuleap 150 menupur 3 weeks, 7 eggs collected, 4 fertilised 1 made it to day 3 but none made it to day 5. Decided to transfer 6BC frozen embryo which hatched with lining of 8.9 at collection. Day 10 BFN.

After a BFN on what felt like our best and last real chance feeling absolutely destroyed by this journey and not sure what to do next.

I have tried every complementary therapy, and every supplement going. And I’ve got better results, especially with my lining and collections, but then fallen at the last hurdles and can see now that my egg quality is just not good enough. I can’t believe how dramatically it’s dropped in a year and a half that I’ve spent so focused on doing everything right.

We have already paid for the next round of ivf through access so will try again. But would love to know stories of success or ideas? Is it worth going abroad?

I know that the clinic will tell me my best bet will be a DE and whilst I hugely respect all the women who have chosen this route it’s something that we aren’t looking to do at the moment.

[Ranchu90]

I am not a doctor by any means but having 8 weeks of stimulation (hope I read it right) doesn't looks right to me and never ever have I heard of this before!! It is worth to go abroad, treatment is so much cheaper and they treat you so well. IVF is so damn expensive overall and you expect your clinic to treat you as per your money paid, you know what I mean! I was so young when I went to NHS for help at 24- 25 years old ...at 28 -29 had already 2 failed cycles with them. Each cycle we produced one embryo day 2, not even talking about blastocyst. Went to Spain and we had 2 cycles with them - 1st cycle we had one blast 5AA and 2nd cycle 4 blasts 3 were PGS normal and now I have twin from my last cycle. We did so many tests as they are specialising in complex cases. I will PM you the clinic name, if you want to have a look. They have one of the highest rate of success in Europe. Now they reached 92% success rate with PGS normal embryos. If you want to ask me anything about them feel free to do so. Take care 💕

[D3an0 in reply to Ranchu90]

I know, it was the weirdest protocols no one had heard of. I’m 39 Monday so she is against me as well here. I’m going to DM you though. Thanks so much for taking the time to message. I appreciate the help so much.

[Orangeflowers in reply to Ranchu90]

Hi, sorry to jump in, but I'm interested in finding a clinic abroad with the highest success rates but I can't find a reliable source of this info. Your clinic sounds good. Please can you PM me the name? Congratulations 💐 x

[Ranchu90 in reply to Orangeflowers]

Hi, oh no worries. Happy to share it with you 💕☺️ ... after being myself in this crazy journey for years I promised myself that I will try to help anyone that is struggling and need a bit of support hence the reason for still being here on this amazing forum ♥️💗

[Bed12 in reply to Ranchu90]

hi Ranchu90, sorry to jump in as well but are you able to pm the clinic name as well? Trying to consider my options as well after three failed transfers. Thanks so much for passing on all your info xx

[Ranchu90 in reply to Bed12]

No worries, you have a message 🙂

[MJE1 in reply to Ranchu90]

hello there, could I too get the clinic’s info? Xx

[Joeysjourney in reply to Ranchu90]

Hi lovely, could I get the name of the clinic too please babe x

[Bvorbe in reply to Ranchu90]

hello, im so hyped reading your story and congratulations on your successed, please please could you tell me the name of the clinic and where pleaseee…im 45 and did several failed treatments and do not want donor eggs and time is tight for me, i need a good clinic that deals with complex cases pleaseee, im begging for any and all details pleaseee and THANK YOUU❤️❤️

[green121292 in reply to Ranchu90]

hi there, would you mind letting me know the name of the clinic please? Thanks! X

[Catswhiskers1 in reply to Ranchu90]

hey, please could you PM me the clinic name too?

Thanks 🙂

[Poop84 in reply to Ranchu90]

hi can you dM me the clinic details too please x thanks

[Ranchu90 in reply to Poop84]

Done

[Orangeflowers]

Feeling for you. Hope you find the right protocol and clinic for you x

[D3an0 in reply to Orangeflowers]

Thank you. Don’t apologise for jumping in. This is the best place to get the info you need. It’s such a minefield out there. Good luck xx

[Jade2006 in reply to D3an0]

hey could I please ask what your clinic was too .

That’s lovely news you had success .

Sorry to jump on too , I wish you all the luck with your treatment , Iv just had 1 failed ivf and my consultant has said donnor eggs .

[D3an0 in reply to Jade2006]

Hi Jade, the consultant can’t judge you and say to move onto donor on one failed cycle! Every cycle is different!! My first round at Oxford nothing, but second a blastocyst. Not amazing but any level can make a baby. They told me to try again.

I was also written off for surrogacy because of my lining being terrible and I worked really hard and got it up for 8.9!

For egg quality you can do lots of things to help also. Get the book “it all starts with an egg”. I also take a huge amount of supplements. Mainly zita west ivf pack which has the main ones like ubiquinol, myo-insotil, but also royal jelly, l’argerine (I think you spell like that), açai berry concentrate, concentrated bone broth, accupuncture, accupressure matts, cupping and Chinese herbs. I’m also going to try oxygen chambers.

You are not written off after one cycle.

[Jade2006 in reply to D3an0]

I don’t know whether it’s because I’m a complicated case , I have 1 ovary and a endometriosma cyst on my remaining ovary and severe endometriosis awaiting surgery too.

My amh was not to bad considering all the factors.

It a nhs round it’s taken me 6 months ! To get my next round.

But yeah after my canceled cycle that’s what he said but funnily enough never mentioned it to me at the time .

Only recently.

[D3an0 in reply to Jade2006]

I had a horrendous time in the nhs. Please note I absolutely LOVE the nhs and am a huge supporter, but for fertility I was completely mistreated that has resulted in wrong treatment, stress and now being much older with less chances. It’s one thing fits all and there is no flexibility with treatment. I’m at Oxford fertility who have been incredible but I had to make the tough decision to leave 3 free chances as the treatment was SO horrendous. I made official complaints to the hospitals but they didn’t have an impact. If you can afford it I would go private. Also I’m so sorry to hear of your complexities, my friends have horrendous endo and it’s a chronic illness that many people still don’t understand.

She recommends contacting these places in conjunction with treatment who are experts. And can give you support.

bsge.org.uk/endometriosis-c...

endometriosis-uk.org/ending...

This is a really tough journey but get more than one opinion and do lots of research, I regret not moving quicker but when you start you don’t really know what it takes I think or I didn’t anyway, also we had covid which had a huge impact. I not only lost time and so much of my fertility but also my dad and uncle. It’s been tough, but you still have time to arm yourself with knowledge before you move on.

Good luck!

[Jade2006 in reply to D3an0]

thank you . Appreciate your words and advice .

I’m under a bsge center and he just says it’s up to me with surgery etc , don’t feel like I get clear advice .

Ivf clinic I have trust I’m them really but I don’t know if that’s just my story so far so panic and don’t trust doctors.

I have 2 rounds on nhs , do you think I can pay privately to have a consultation somewhere else and it wouldn’t hinder my nhs .

Thanks you good luck with your journey .

[D3an0 in reply to Jade2006]

You can always pay for a private consultation and nhs won’t know or have any effect. It’s only if you have the treatment it would take away, so if you feel you need a second opinion then that’s an option. They may give you the same advice but I felt I needed the second opinion from somewhere with more options for treatment. My private clinic have been fantastic for me so far. Amazing nurses. (Edited as I forgot I shouldn’t name)

Good news your with a good endo team hope you can get some answers. X

[J0J0123]

Congratulations, I would also be very thankful for that name of your clinic abroad, please PM me, thank you! Good luck to everyone here still on their journey xxx

[Purplehedgehog87]

That sound like an awful journey! I am total different situation but feel nhs is one size fits all as well and I'm complicated. Considering if we get any frosties moving to private but it's such a minefield! The name of the clinic would be great for me too (sorry to hijack!) As will be starting to compile a list of private clinics