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My latest blood test report on completion o... - Diabetes India
My latest blood test report on completion of a decade of diagnosing Diabetes.
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cureAdministrator
Congratulation ShooterGeorge
How about Hba1c ???
Doctor did not prescribe HbA1c test!!!
Shooter...
S cr 1 is a bit high. Get urinary microalbuminuria done. Give fasting urine. That will give idea about microscopic damage done to the K. This is what i feel. Actually this test in one of the first tests and should be done every year. I'm getting it done.
Thank you @suramo.
Thank you@cure.
great sir
Thanj you @sati006.
My report on last wekeend after 4 months of LWMDR:
My tablet got reduced after LWMDR from Janumet 50/500 to melmet 500sr
PPBs: 107
FBS: 118
Even FBS used to be low too starngely has increased, but PPBs is great
sati006
FBS 118 may be the aftereffect of low PPBS. Hence I feel it may be ignored for the time being.
Good Sir, Please share your diet and medicine
Thank you@Jaffy.
My diet:
Breakfast rice based. 3 Appam or 3 Dosa or 3 Idly or 3 Nuulappam/Idiyappam or Pottu or Rava Upmaa etc with side dishes.
Lunch Rice with side dishes; stomach full.
Supper Rice with side dishes; stomach full.
Coffee/tea occasionally.
Occasionally feasts on marriages, family & religious functions with sumptuous rice meals & 3 - 4 desserts like Icecrean, Gulabjaamun, Pudding etc.
Medicines:
Ecosprin 150mg 0 - 1 - 0
Clopidogrel 75mg 0 - 0 - 1
Atorvastatin 10mg 0 - 0 - 1
Anup
he is taking statins šššššš. Aap ne danta nhi. ššššššššššš. Not only that but also his diet is rice based and still such a good control. Wow. cure yaar muje kuchh karna padega šššššš. He is really a shooter. D ko shoot kar diya.ššššš
George what is your bcf and ir? height and weight.
suramo
shooter ne IR nikala nahi....BCF ka fikir kiya nahi.... but his initial reports looks like he was prediabetic
Cure
to phir D to control hona hi tha. But then those who are diabetics may not be benefited by his diet plans.
hmmmm...yar tune sahi pakada hai.... there is some problem with his 'K' uska ppbs kam hone pe bhi uska urine mein sugar ata hai....
check his all reports...
But about long wheat I really don't know....
Cure
this is not about long wheat. This is about D control. There should be a scientific approach so that we can provide correct information to the others.
If he is passing sugar in the urine means either his bs is not under control or his K threshold for glucose is low.
But surely he should get his microalbuminuria done at a standard lab.
suramo yes...very true...it is very very appreciable of mr ShooterGeorge that in spite of his diet being rice based...his fasting sugar is better than non diabetic.
It is also known that he consumes bananas at every meal.
Fasting sugar is most difficult part in diabetes control.
Cure
frankly. I take the claim with a pinch of salt. We must know if he was really D or preD. Looking at his diet and lab results probably he is not D.šššššš
hahaha suramo I guess he was pre diabetic...
But they say you can not be pre diabetic....its like either you are pregnant or not pregnant....
But yes....you can see his reports...as @anup said there was sugar trace in his urine while on OGTT.
But yar Look at his fasting....
To me also CURE is like dream....But who knows???
Marta kya nahi karta???
Cure
absolutely. You are either D or nonD.
Sugar in urine doesn't prove one D. Low renal threshold can also be the cause. We should look scientifically. Very important to guide the people in future or everybody would start taking diet he was taking - a rice based diet. And you know what can happen. Sorry. I don't intend to hurt anybody but i'm looking for science in it.
You are right suramo I am NOT D now, I only WAS D 2006-2009!
Thanks once again.
ShooterGeorge
I'm really very happy to hear that from you.šššš
Thank you for the compliment @suramoji.
@cure, ye 'K' kya he? Kidney? Sugar traces appeared in my urine only during OGTT; I am of the opinion that it is quite all right. In one of my OGTTs they gave me 100 gms of Glucose as per the earlier specification/standard.
yes ShooterGeorge k is kidney...And I guess you must be bit more careful about ur kidney function.
About Hba1c.. I am bit confused as there is difference between my eAbg and Hba1c
Thank you @cure for 'k' clarification. Would you mind disclosing the reason behind your concern on my kidney function? Cardiology 'davavom ke vaje se'?
I also wish to learn more about HbA1c & eaBG. Will you please tell your values of these two parameters where you noticed difference & what is the difference?
ShooterGeorge
on the following link you can find all my medical details....
Hi suramo
Hi @suramo ji,
Sabhi D ne prediabetes raaste se hi D mein pahumchta..he, he na? Thab mera cure (duusarom ke nazrom me CONTROL) ke vache prediabetes he tho kyom alag treatments duusare prediabetes patients ko mere jsise cure nshim dethaa he?
ShooterGeorge
Yes everybody would be passing through preD stage but most of them are detected late and by that time they become D.
As per my knowledge there is a script written in our genome for our beta cells to degenerate over a time. The extent to which these cells would lose their function is different for different people. Those who retain good bcf can be managed by diet only. Others with drugs and rest who have very poor bcf have to take insulin for the whole life.
Well. T2d can be reversed but not cured. I don't know what made you think that you were D but fine you have controlled your D. I just want to understand the science behind it so that other people may not inadvertantly start the diet you are taking.
Thanks.
George ...Your efforts to write Hindi is cute 
You could have written in English ...
Got it, @karch. When others write in Hindi I am not comfortable.
best part is you understood what they said in Hindi
BTW I wanted to ask by what name should I ask wheat venders for Samba wheat in Delhi/UP side? I tried to enquire many of them but didn't know Samba wheat of Javi wheat ...
Hi @karch,
I have seen Delhi/UP in map/TV etc only!
The names I could gather are tabulated in my Appropedia article.
A new name one member of HUDI (I think it is @gphilip) gave last week is also included there.
It is "Lambe baal waale". Another one is "Lal rang waale".
Try your luck.
There is some problem with scripts on server ...it does not respond when replying many times ...neither it let me like
Thanks a ton...you solved a big riddle ...
"It is "Lambe baal waale". Another one is "Lal rang waale"."
one vender told me about "Lal rang waale"wheat sometime back ...I shall try that
suramo
clue is amylose and amylopectin and conversion of same in food processing...I mean heat and when u boil the wheat in hot water...
But guess what???? ultimately....its low carbs..... lol
But yes....uske baton mein dam hai....
@Cure
koun si baaton mein dam hai?
we are talking here about t2d. Not hyperglycemia secondary to some pathology or diseases.
You mean to say he was D and now with long wheat he has influenced his genes and / or ir and he is D free now and can eat high carb diet ? Sorry. I'd love to connect this to science. His reports how he was declared D. And his present bcf and ir.
Bhai suramo I really don't know about hisBCF or IR....or hewas diabetic or his hyperglycemia was due to some other condition..
But be sure (atleast form his reporting)...now he is consuming high carb diet...
Cure
so he can't be a good example. I'm of the opinion that others should stay away from his diet.
Cure @anup
i can't resist myself from posting my today's bs report. My 1 hr 20 min ppbs is 131. l did it just 15 min back. And this with low carb calorie deficit diet.
My lunch was tindii ki sabji, kadhi and coarsely grounded daals k khaman ( vati daal khaman )
also a dry fruit chikki. I didn't expect this. This can be my spike. This must be getting around 100+ at 3. Now what remains is controlling fbs. šš
congratulations Bhai suramo
And wonderful u had chikki.....Abhi wo BCF ka dimag se nakal mere bhai.....
Now daruharidra....bas.....
@Cure
diet diet and diet. Bcf is there and will remain there. This is all because of low carb low calorie diet. Mere bhai i have to learn living without the help of beta cells - insulin. So my diet would be negligible amt of carbs, proteins for muscle repairs and fats. Yes i am intending to change my fuel from carb to good fats. @Anup. Legumes and sprouts, also eggs and nonveg will address your concern for muscle repair.
@Cure
i was just going through past posts. You thanked your D control 50% to lc** and 50% to ayu medicines. Now tell us all what was the base of that claim. I thank my diet only for whatever results i'm getting. Yes. I'm taking allo meds but without diet planning i'd not have achieved. I have poor bcf and going to remain so or may worsen further. Once i gain control on my D i'd gradually cut off my meds and later all the ayu preparations.
cure . Henceforth start dropping ayu meds and keep your attention on diet. You will then know how much benefit from diet and how much from ayu meds in control of your D. I give credit solely to diet and yes allo meds at present.
Thanks once again for giving me guidance and inspiration.
Mere Bhai suramo you are 200% right....diet is first...
But then FBS is most critical thing...in sugar control....
So FBS and PPBS....two parts... 50% Fbs and 50% PPBs...
Now tell me how diet only will help in FBS???
So ayu is helping me there...
Cure
diet is helping everywhere. We need to learn how to use diet.
I'm not sure about what you say "Now tell me how diet only will help in FBS???
So ayu is helping me there...". If you don't take right diet in dinner you can't control fbs even with ayu meds.
hmmmm after taking inspiration from you bhai suramo
I had about 200Gms sweets...(Chitale Mango Barfi) very sweet...Punekar knows....
My fasting today was 97.....after that walking about 5 kms..in 50 mts...
After 2 hrs PPBS 103 
Cure
kya yaar. Koun si inspiration ? A small piece of dry fruit chikki is not a sweet. I took inspiration from you eating kharvas with jaggery.
But well now your body is ready to clear carbs more readily. Even high gi carbs. But be cautious. šššš
What is ur diet now sir
suramo
I mean that only with diet...if you want to control FBS....it will be very long shot....you have to have to be very sure about your diet and must follow same religiously....
Taking help from herbs like haldi(both varieties) Cinnamon fenugreek is advisable ...
Ofcoz daruharidra will also help you.
suramo Please tell what are BCF & IR; I am not a medical person you see!
ShooterGeorge
Hi. Don't worry. We are all here to learn.
Bcf = beta cell function. These cells are situated in pancreas and synthesize insulin. In t2d these cells gradually lose their function. People like me who have very low bcf are the most difficult patients.
Ir = insulin resistance. Our body cells respond poorly to the insulin.
For that you have to get your fasting insulin and fbs done from the same sample.
Anup will then help you to find out both.
LOL suramo shootergeorge ko anup se dosti karwaoge??? hahahaha
Yar aag aur pani ki dosti kabhi huwi hai????
:))
@Cure
kya dosti kya dushmani. We all have one common enemy D. We have to fight that out. Let all those recommending carb diet for D get support of science. The overall evidence to know if you are cured or reversed..
sure we can requesthim more detailed study.... and I guess he will agree...
Infacthe wrote to 'Guiness Book of World records'
So guess he is keen on this.
@Cure
The guinness book will be very tough on him. He will have to give all old reports and face clinical tests. I wish him good luck.
What's eABG ?
suramo
westonaprice.org/modern-dis...
Culprit Genes
Recent genome mapping of modern bread wheat with an eye to its toxic influence in celiac disease has isolated a small chain of peptides on a portion of the gluten protein which is directly responsible for stimulating the reaction in those with the celiac genetic inheritance. The plant genes responsible for contributing these peptides in wheat gluten are located on the third set of chromosomes that the hexaploid variants inherited from their wild parent. It is very interesting to note that neither the diploid nor the tetraploid cereal grains contain this genetic material. That is, cultivated diploid einkorn, and tetraploid emmer wheat along with certain of the durum pasta wheats as well as durum variants such as KamutĀ® (a brand name for T. turgidum or T. turanicum) and T. polonicum (Polish wheat) do not contain this genetic material.
Hi @cure,paani kon aur aag kon? Aag shakthimaan he na? To mein paani hoga, shakthihiin!
Isi liye mujhe kisi se dushmani 'afford' nahi kar sakte!!! LOL
hehehe ShooterGeorge Pani aur aag dono apne jagah par shaktiman hai.....
There is nothing absolute in this world.....
Everything is useful....it only we should have open mind...and think how to get things will work in benefit for us....
Hi @suramoji,
Thank you for the clarifications.
I know how to calculate Insulin Resistance & Beta Cell Function from FBS & FI. I was not knowing the abbreviations IR & BSF.
ShooterGeorge
Sorry for the detailed answer.
And no ji please. Only suramo.
@suramo ji,
Hope you have read Dr. Roy Teylor of Newcastle University's paper on 600 kcal diet.
ShooterGeorge
No. I have not but would you like to know from you.š
Dear ShooterGeorge ,Congratulations for getting all parameters within respective ranges!
But what is logic behind-"eating high carb stomach full and taking medicines"?
Dear @alwaysoptimistic,
I am not taking any medicine for Diabetes.
Then for which deceases do you take these medicines?
Blocks in coronary blood vessels.
great sir. I am your follower. I could bring down my fasting sugar to 110 from 260 over 1 year with the combination of LWM diet, Laghu Shanka Prakshalana and resistance exercises.
james...What is "Laghu Shanka Prakshalana"?
suramo
"Laghu Shanka Prakshalana"
ą¤¶ą¤ą¤ą¤Ŗą„ą¤°ą¤ą„ą¤·ą¤¾ą¤²ą¤Ø /'Cleaner Conchsiousness'...a powerful technique described by 'Gherand Sanhita'
Thank you Jamesbarzini Wish you a speedy cure.
Fasting insulin shows perfect recovery ...better than non-diabetics : ) ...congrats ....
Thank you karch
Thank you for the remark on Fasting Insulin.
Limitation or bug of editor make me give multiple responses.
Great.
Congratulations.
One question.
When you follow Long wheat Regimen, do you RESTRICT the quantity in take to ensure that your total CARBs do NOT go beyond the permitted level.
OR
You DO NOT RESTRICT the CARB consumed every meal.
You are a GREAT example for every one to follow......
God bless you and every one.
Rgds,
Thank you @Durham24. During my LWMDR there was no quantity restriction for meals. I used to take stomach full. Quantity was measured when people wanted specific measures for them to follw.
Thanks sir Mr. George.
You have a blessed day and week end.
Rgds,
Thank you @Durham24 for the good wishes.
suramoStar
Congrats ShooterGeorge
Are you drug free?
Thank you suramo . I have never taken drug for Diabetes; I have taken only Long Wheat mash with diet.
Shooter....
So brave of you. Didn't take any medicine.šš
Once again thanks suramo Please have a look at my baby cobrm.youtube.com/watch?v=hyPR1... video in YouTube ......
Thank you @indiacratus
Thank you @asoreka.
Thank you Hidden .
cureAdministrator
hmmmm...I am telling my experience @Anup And it is proved by many experiments...
Further it is proved that it is genetically different than normal wheat....
Even if it is spiking late....still it is helpful as it will help for a diabetic to control his spikes and remain within acceptable limits.
I fully agree with you that since diabetes is problem of carbs...and grains are the source of carbs ....one must try to be grain less as much as possible...
But for everyone it is not possible...
So if at all they use some wheat there is less harm with Long wheat.
Cure
less harm means?
Anyone can go grainfree if determined. Yes. It's easy to manage at home but one can find ways to manage the diet.
less harm vs harm.....
hahaha pregnant or no pregnant... or like what America says either you are with us???or you are against us....
suramo bhai sab ke liye grain less hona sambhav nahi hai....and not desirable even....
Guess why scientist developed all those GMO varieties??? just to feed increasing population.
But a diabetic should strive....
Cure
to achha hai na. Grains bach jayega. Haan legumes ka problem ho sakta hai. Or more people will have to be nonveg
suramo yar Tuvar dal is 225 RS kg in Mumbai market....
garib admi kya khayega????
ye modi bola tha...uska government aya toh dal sasti hogi.....
bhai 2 saal ho gaye.....kidhar hai sasti dal???
Cure
šššššššššš
Wo anup se puchho.šššššššš
Rajma khao. Last time i bought white @ 72 & red @70. Chana khao. Nuts khao ššššš
Yaar aap log galat samze usmy modi ka koi kasoor nhi. Wo achhe din bola tha." Aap k " aisa thodi na bola tha. To aa to gaye uske achhe din.šššššššššš
cureAdministrator
@anup First of all there is no..absolutely no denial about reduction of carbs....and grain less diet...
As diabetic one must strive for grain less diet.
But or generation grains are staple diet for we Indians....It will be really difficult to change habits over night.
And hence long wheat or red rice is good option....
Now about EAbg.....I was on 'other site' and was reading discussion about how eAbg and Hba1c calculations done by various ppl and various methods...There is vast differen in calculated Eabg and Hba1c by various stalwarts... I guess we need to understand more on eAbg.
But still again I feel...if at all it is spiking late....it is good....as it will help a diabetic to remain within limits.
Ofoz...rajma and other things will give same effect....Agree....but anupjee...we can not make roti of Rajma....and if at all we make roti of Rajma...it will not be satisfying to average Indian mind.
Cure
gm.
It's a question of habit. It's not at all difficult to become grain free. We need roti for few veg only. All the legumes can be eaten without roti. I don't know but all the nonveg foods also can be eaten without roti. And you feel more fresh and energy level also remains good.
We are poor in clearing carbs so whenever there is high sugar - spike the bs tends to be high for a long time causing damage to the body during that time. And by the time your bs falls near normal you take another food and bs again gets high. Spiking is not advisable for us
eABg ???
cureAdministrator
hmmm.....yes....I do agree...we as race...(not only Indians) are addicted to grains....
So it will take some time ...it will happen gradually...we can not expect this to happen over night...till then.....we can use this...
Hmm I am yet to understand more on eAbg and Hba1c...
Infact my Eabg and hba1c looks mismatched...
I am surprised about this comment cure
Is it true that you are not clear about HbA1c & eaBG? This forum only introduced me to those. Mismatch in individual case is a different matter altogether.
cureAdministrator
@anup agree wheat is main culprit.....
And we Indians are suffering due to highly modified wheat consumption....
I was reading about amylase and emmer wheat....
An amylase (/ĖƦmįµ»leÉŖs/) is an enzyme that catalyses the hydrolysis of starch into sugars. Amylase is present in the saliva of humans and some other mammals, where it begins the chemical process of digestion.
Hmmm google it....its very interesting.....
Thank you @bhaswathy for the encouraging remark. Your words will help optimistic diabetes patients.
suramoStar
Anup
my dear friend. I'm also away from wheat, rice etc for more than a month. I don't take root veg also. Feeling well and looking towards reversible D. It's not very difficult to go grain free. On the contrary i enjoy eating salads, sprouts etc. Feeling great now. Count me also in q after you ššššššššššš. Hum sab k guru k guruon ko bhi salaam ššš
"You are right suramo I am NOT D now, I only WAS D 2006-2009!
Thanks once again." This is from shooter... i'd like to get your comments on this as you know his case better than me. Esp comment on "i'm not D now "
suramoStar
Bhaswathy
šššš
Not so soon. Only if shooter.... was confirmly diagnosed to be having D. Yes. Carbs are our enemy. No doubt on that.
Hi @suramoji,
For a short while I am forgetting whatever very little about Diabetes known to me. Please enlighten me with 'what is required to confirmly diagnose some one to be having Diabetes and who is competent to do it'?
Let us start from square one.
cureAdministrator
Hidden carbs are our enemy....so we have to be very selective on carbs .
suramoStar
Hidden šššš cool down madam. Stress in an important cause of D as you strongly put forward. I don't know what makes you angry and why.
I just want to link his results scientifically. He says he was D between 2006 - 2009. i just want to know if he was really t2d and got " cured " or he has a misleading information about his D or preD.
I don't reject his datas but want to compare the present data with the past ones. You are a doctor and Very well know how important it's in our day to day practice to compare results ( of medicines )/ datas.
i don't pretend to sleep. I don't need. I'm finding a way for myself and for others. I have no bias for anybody including you.
suramoStar
Boomreng??!!šš
suramoStar
Hidden
Why should one ridicule you. It's great that you have controlled your D.."But 1/3 the credit I give to Ayurvedic herbs and 1/3 credit to pranayama , asanas and mudras , where as 1/3 belongs to homeopathy. " so you give no importance to diet for controlling D. See. Here is the difference. As i and many others believe that diet is the first step in the management of D. Now to resolve this difference of opinion we have to take help of the science so that we can give proper advice / guidance in future.
Madam we respect your 40yrs experience and are looking forward to learn a lot esp for the disease that has compromised our lives.
suramoStar
Madam we are with you. To fight against the curse on the mankind.
suramoStar
But madam. We have to link science also or how shall we be able to give advice in future. What would be the basis of our advice. Also to find reliable ayu and homeo meds is also a big problem. We have to solve that problem also.
Madam your intrinsic training in homeo doesn't allow you to accept allopathy philosophy. The same way we need to understand and absorb the science of homeo treatment. That's what we are trying here. Churning out the truth.
So what conclusion can be derived from this long discussion?
suramoStar
Anup
kya yaar. We are never cured. We can control our bs levels with a very diligent diet planning. So there is a balance between what you eat and what your body can deal with. Now if you disturb that balance your bs is going to get high.
I'd put that figure to 160 and not 200.
@suramoji,
Some papers quoted here by learned members contain data disproving the statements regarding BS peaks crossing 200 in HEALTHY SUBJECTS. The studies are on Continuous Glucose Monitoring (CGM).
ShooterGeorge
May be they are prediabetics. Forget that but do keep in mind that our carb clearance is slow. So preferably we are not supposed to have our bs level above 160/ at anytime.
cureAdministrator
whatever that works with the least side effects -just chose it.
I fully agree with you Hidden
suramoStar
Andersonn
great. D cured by UPS SPEED POST. And in just 14 days. No doctor visit. No lab tests. Nothing could be better.
ye sab fake hai suramo
But we need to research more...
I am sure answerissome where on other side...
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I have reported to admin that this is a scam
suramoStar
Yup
suramoStar
Hidden
"but what surprises is that he is on insulin only.no tabs at all.miracle man." So what is to rejoice for ? What do you mean by miracle man?
suramoStar
indiacratus
"but what surprises is that he is on insulin only.no tabs at all.miracle man." So what is to rejoice for ? What do you mean by miracle man?
suramoStar
Hidden
Very good morning.
I always love your aggressive reactions. Thanks.
Firstly being on only insulin means drugs are not working on him. So he has lost his bcf to a great extent and he is almost not producing any insulin. I won't say he has destroyed his beta cells by high carb diet but with low carb diet he could have managed his D perhaps better.
Hi mr rao. How are you sir ?
Insulin is enemy yes and no. For us high insulin level in the presence of ir is harmful to us because it causes more fats to be stored in our body increasing ir further. Good for us also because it's useful in building and maintaining muscles. For nonD it's anabolic hormone.
suramoStar
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Hidden
I love that.
No i'm not ashamed of saying " carbs are our, esp those having t2d enemy. Ok fine. I'm not saying enemy but i'd say that since we can't digest the carbs properly we should stay away from carbs. High gi food never. Low gi food with care only after roughly calculating gl.
Insulin enemy yes and no.
Exogenous insulin can create problem by causing hypoglycemia which can be life threatening. high levels of Endogenous insulin causes lipogenesis. And so harmful.
suramoStar
Hidden
I don't mind. I'm telling the truth as i know and practice what i say. No regrets. Sab ki apni apni samaj hai. Apni apni soch hai. I have mine. Based on science.
suramoStar
@Bhaswathy
that x factor is D. Or say bcf and ir.
There are only a few things that can influence our genome. Chemicals, anticancer drugs, radiation etc can have access to our genome. Food ? No.
cureAdministrator
Even there are many cases in which gallbladder is improved when they were on High fat diet.
But at the same time....I say food is major role to switch on/trigger diabetes.(by increasing blood sugar level and also turning on script)
suramoStar
And what is that x factor with high fat diet ?
suramoStar
Anup
yes exercise makes muscle permeable to the glucose to some extent without insulin. If you have done body building your muscles use glucose even at rest.
Also when you are taking hypocalorie diet your body makes certain adaptations to conserve energy.
suramoStar
Anup
"26% genetics is responsible for Type 2 as per a recent study."
Would you please explain. Do you mean out of 100 only 26 t2d are because of genes ? And rest 74% have no genetic basis for t2d?
suramoStar
Anup
sorry. I don't remember. Please send me that link again if possible but i don't agree with the view that only 26% t2d have genetic basis. If it's so then rest 74% must be cured by removal of the causative factors.
suramoStar
Bhaswathy
thank you madam. I'm talking science and my views are actually interpretations of the scientists. Not my own research.
suramoStar
Yes
Congrats Sir.
suramoStar
@Anup
to sahi hai na your protein sources. I also don't count calories actually but roughly i know that i'm taking hypo calorie diet. Well 10ml cow ghee and 15ml coconad with turmeric milk at night keeps me full whole night and rarely i have to take snacks at night to get relief from hunger pangs. I take only salad - khira cucumber, tindii, tomatoes and olive etc at dinner. Also dry fruits - almonds 6 ; pistachio 8-10 and a few peanuts - soaked during daytime.
suramoStar
Anup
"In order to get diabetes, you need to have diabetes genes. One of the leading causes of your diabetes is a poor choice of ancestors. People without those genes can spend their lives lying around eating chips and watching TV. Theyāll probably get fat, but they wonāt get diabetes."
This is from the link you sent me.
So predisposing - main cause is weak genes.
suramoStar
Anup
how do shrisamarth and arunkumar maintain their gut health - gut bacteria since they are on starchfree diet?
suramoStar
Anup
you mean they are taking rs like red mill potato starch etc ? Or any other form of rs?
No PS. Regularly take beans though not on daily basis. In our diet we have sufficient soluble fiber/RS.
shrisamarth
"In our diet we have sufficient soluble fiber/RS." Would you please elaborate. Do salads have rs ?
In our diet - those on grainfree diet.
Do salads have rs ?
AFAIK no.
My salads are limited to cucumber only. Sesame, flaxseed, peanuts, variety of vegetables and beans (fresh and raw) provide sufficient amount of fiber.
I have reduced my beans intake as high amount of Rs and fiber causes digestive discomfort.
Shri....
I think all the veg on grain free diet should not have problem with rs. Sprouts, dry fruit, legumes should contain enough rs i think.
Yes. No need to take it separately like PS.
cureAdministrator
Bhai @anup even on keto trials some times it is seen FBS goes high...
may be body thinks there is some risk...right??
cureAdministrator
Hmmm Now days I am reading more on reversal....
here is nice piece I was reading on reddit.com..thought it will be interesting for all members...
Think of diabetes as carbohydrate intolerance, or inability to process carbs correctly. The max amount of carbs that a person can handle is the tolerance limit. Everyone is different, and tolerances vary per person. The reasons behind the differences are not entirely understood for type 2 but for type 1 we know it's because the body can't physically produce enough insulin.
Now, most people's carb tolerance limit is way above the amount of carbs the average person will eat, and does not decline. These are the non diabetics, who show no issues with carb processing.
Some people start to show signs that their ability to process carbs is declining. Their tolerance limit is very close to or just under the amount of carbs they eat. This results in slightly elevated blood glucose or prediabetes, which is what you're seeing.
Others start to show much higher blood glucose numbers, which reflects the "excess" carbs that they are no longer able to process naturally, as their processing threshold is far below the carbs they take in. These are the diabetics, who are classified in types according to the reasons for their lowered tolerance (t1,t2 etc).
In some people, the decline in carb processing ability is very slow or it plateaus. For these people, it's possible to manage diabetes by carefully testing to find what the carb processing threshold actually is, then limiting the carbs in one's diet to reflect that (this is called "eating to your meter"). These are the people that may claim to have "reversed" diabetes. They still have to be careful with carbs but can tolerate occasional carb binges because their averages are good.
It's also possible to raise the carb threshold by losing weight (if overweight) and/or increasing fitness level, and for some people this raises it enough that it no longer has an impact on their dietary choices. These people may also say they have "reversed" diabetes.
The truth is though, that these thresholds are still there, and may still decline over time. The very best way to go about managing things is to find out what your personal carb threshold is and then make sure you respect it, and monitor yourself to ensure that you know if it changes. Meds can help you come in under threshold if you need help getting there, but carb intake is the main method of managing diabetes unless you're type 1 (t1s actually require insulin to stay alive).
Wow that got long but hopefully that makes more sense regarding the continuum of diabetes diagnosis? The actual diagnosis cutoffs are somewhat arbitrary, and what actually matters is your blood glucose levels and how you deal with your personal carb tolerance threshold.
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Jai Ho.......
Gopichand is on Keto diet? How do you know?
His academy a stone's throw away from my place. Will interview him sometime on keto diet. 
"Bhat recalls an experiment from 2012 when Gopichand went on a Ketogenic diet, popular in the US then, for a whole year just to check if his players would be able to take it. That was right after tennis star Novak Djokovic made it popular; Gopichand restricted his own intake to just 8-10 things permitted by the diet chart. āHe read and researched, and checked it on himself, going into training aiding recovery and fitness. He could have beaten all the active Indian players at that time, he became so fit,ā Bhat says, laughing. But he dropped the idea when he realised his players, whose every morsel he monitors, might not be able to take it."
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Are you saying that ayu and homeo are not science ? Madam the practice of medicine is trial and error. A drug can't be effective on everybody. Chromosomal set up doesn't change but genes. Yes. You can find out which genes got you D but it's an unnecessary practice.
I'm not asking anybody to do anything nor am i asking to believe me but if i have to consider ShooterGeorge an example case i must understand if lwmdr CURED or someone might be misguided and might harm him / her.
My logic / wisdom based on my knowledge of science says that since i can't metabolise carbs i should avoid them. I'm not forcing this upon anybody. Madam take it or leave it. Unless @shooter's case is not clearly understood i can't believe in his claim. I have no personal grudge for him or anybody but with so much of carbs and rice based diet one must think before jumping to lwmdr. Sorry George.
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I'm not saying x or y factor. You are saying. Today's science is very clear. Weak genes for t2d. Severity and control D depend on how much bcf has been left. But inability to clear carbs remain life long. No chance that bcf lost will be regained spontaneously or by miracle.
cureAdministrator
hmm but for players where they need more energy ..they should take more carbs I guess...right??
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badminton needs lots of stamina....guess same like sprinter.... they say carbs are like legal steroids...
cureAdministrator
Carolina ranks first in Badminton I guess....
cureAdministrator
Numbers game:āPVāSindhu has beaten Carolina Marin three times before
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Its all engineering bhai.....
Tum apna subject chod ke divert ho rahe ho bhai..... LOL
As in all individual sports, Carolina Marin benefits from being a left hander. Her angles are widely unpredictable. However, Sindhu has been trained to handle the unexpected from Gopichand. She executed this match in a similar manner.
Marin's movements on court belie her training as a dancer. She can dive back and land on her feet. Sindhu found this difficult to handle.
Marin and Sindhu are of similar height with Sindhu having a half inch advantage over the Spaniard. By ..
Read more at:
" Rangathhaiya College Of Engg ", where did you find this name? 
yes....silver bhi kam nahi hai.....but Ye dil mange more.......
@anup see this link.....the engineering involved in German Shepard dog..
zperonowki.com/pics/misc/ka...
Each and every bone and angulation has got purpose....
cureAdministrator
If you are looking for good Guard dog....why not look for Bhotia/smaller version of Tibetan Mastiff....or if you are staying in apartment...go for Fox terrier...
GSD voice is loud for appmt ...and its big dog ....it needs space...(Dogs get frustrated and stressed if they dnt get enough space to roam).In a appmt , quite far from my apptmt they have GSD and in morning it barks a lot and its noisy everywhere ...evaluate all options ...there may be some smaller bogs which are aggresive
Hmmmm Bhutia voice is like gong of temple bell...they are lethargic by day and active by night...But yes they need lot of space....
You know which is most intelligent dog??? its Boarder collie ......youtube got some clips about herding trials of Boarder collie.
GSD is smelly dog....it got under coat and so it catches dampness and smells....
If you stay in apartment....fox terrier is the best.
Small..single coat....and alert dog...
suramoStar
Anup
yes. Today her mother told that now she will have to feed lots of biriyani and mysore paak to her.
suramoStar
Anup
"science tells me that Ketones are good for brains compared to glucose" where did you find this ?
As far as i know brain can use carbs and ketones with equal efficiency.
I read somewhere that the day you fast , next day in morning you have to exercise, to get the ketones in action ...so to exercise in morning while doing IF is good way to get adapted to ketones in small dosage daily...am I right?
Karch
Ketone consumption is a day to day phenomenon. Certainly in IF. No need to get ketones into action by exercise. On the contrary our body preserves energy by lowering bmi in starvation state.
Dr Mercola also advocated about ketones a lot ...I remember I read in one of the articles recently that if you give external ketone source like enough MCT ...then muscle mass will be preserved during exercising while on ketosis...and more over ketones as energy source keeps our mitochondria safe from free radicals ...in comparision to carb ...so less free radicals are generated if using ketones as energy...because this is not wise ...first to generate FR and then neutralize with of help of antioxidants
you can subscribe to his blog ...he writes frequently about ketones
suramoStar
That player either sindhu or the other one. Sorry i don't remember names.
yes full day fast....
so if we exercise while fasting ...then body will run of fat burning mode ...as no carb to spend for exercise and daily activities ...
If we carry on fasting for once and twice a week like this then ...in some time glycogen stores also get exhausted ...so simple formula to fast once or twice weekly and exercise more on fasting days ...
Do you have any idea of symptoms you get so that you can tell body is running on ketones ...probably?I know its too early to ask this
karch @anup
i have a different understanding. You are forgetting neoglucogenesis. Also when nature tends to conserve energy during fasting it would not be wise to go against nature to do exercise in fasting state esp when you are not going are not going to take any food or energy drink.
Blood ketone testing to know if body is running on ketones.
what about exercising while doing IF of 14-16 hours every day ??
suramoStar
Anup
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every body posts one's brilliant understanding.
Arey my dear friend liver glycogen is a ready cash for day to day use. Daily whenever there is physiological starvation liver glycogen supplies glucose readily. Yes muscle glycogen storage is selfish to some extent to be preserved in case of stress response - fight or flight. So i don't agree with the concept that " body starts preserving glycogen for when needed the most and starts preferring ketones for fuel when one becomes metabolically flexible"
Now why body utilizes carbs as a main fuel. Simple. The carbs are easy to procure from food and its metabolism is easy. So less stress for producing energy.
Also even if your body is running on ketones as soon as body finds easy fuel - glucose it soon switches to use carbs.
suramoStar
Anup
ššššššššššššš
every body posts one's brilliant understanding.
Arey my dear friend liver glycogen is a ready cash for day to day use. Daily whenever there is physiological starvation liver glycogen supplies glucose readily. Yes muscle glycogen storage is selfish to some extent to be preserved for stress response - fight or flight. So i don't agree with the concept that " body starts preserving glycogen for when needed the most and starts preferring ketones for fuel when one becomes metabolically flexible"
Now why body utilizes carbs as a main fuel. Simple. The carbs are easy to procure from food and its metabolism is easy. So less stress for producing energy.
Now for ketones. Basically fats are for energy storage. Its role when starving. Also if you see the production of ketones it involves many biochemical processes. So not easy to procure. Body chooses easy way to get energy. Ketones only when absolutely compulsory.
The body and nature don't dance to the tune of someone who wants to prove himself / herself smarter.
suramoStar
Anup
i said the people want to prove themselves smarter than others. The science has done enough research on biochemisrty and that is what is standard science based teaching.
I don't agree with dr. Attia because the scientific research so far doesn't agree. Dr attia should put his research on the proper platform and get the approval and this doesn't mean ada/ aha / ama.
means ...live life a hunter ...do hard work to get your food ...in current context grow your own food and do hard work before having meals ... means eat fresh food ...don't store
why coconut milk ...why not fresh coconut ?fresh coconut nutritional value is good ...and its tasty ...sweet too
In the evolution of LCHF in our lives ...first step is toughest ...get out of addiction of carbs ...second is relying on fat your needs ...rest will just follow ...aisa lagega sanyas le liya hai ...just meals twice a day ...and that's it free for all day
Ramdev baba skips breakfast...does not eat grains and eats his last meal in evening and does exercise along with yoga in morning ...ankein khul gayien??
Bhai karch follow Bhagwan shrikrishna....
He use to eat Butter in the morning.....fir use to go in Madhuban/jungle alongwith cows....full day wondering behind cows....
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suramoStar
Anup
1) i wonder that relates to us. It's about athletes.
2) God knows how he came to his conclusions.
Glycogen is an easy source of energy. Actually existence of glycogen is for instant energy and that is how glucose is stored.
We should not forget neoglucogenesis. 56% of dietary proteins and 10% of dietary fats are converted to glucose. Our body will never give up what is easy for it. Ketones are the last resort only if inevitable.
I'm not alleging you for anything - skim and post but all the posts should not be accepted without logical understanding. I don't agree to the view that body can run only on fats as diet and fuel. 22% from glycogen and 80% fats. So no role of protein!š Don't forget proteins are next to carbs as fuel. ššššš
Lions eat once in 2-3 days ....how do they survive ??what do they store for 2-3 days...they don't eat carbs ....how did caveman survive...much more similar to today we lion surviving ...crux is our body is made to store fat and then switch to fat burning more frequently not rarely ...this is way human body is evolved...If one gets food in 2-3 days ...which mode is used for longer fat burning mode or carbs/protein as energy source??Try to fast for 3 days and eat once in 3 days ...see how easily you are able to get rid of stored fat in body ??BTW Did you see any obese lion/tiger ... I saw one documentary related to life cycle of penguin ...they have really very tough and responsible life cycle with limited sources of food ...still their generations are surviving in such a harsh conditions since so long ...you will get more insights about your own body...just watch the one ....
karch
Hum sab bhi lions / loiness hi hai.
kya yaar. Nature has given different powers to different animals. Frogs and other hibernating animals can survive ve....ry long without food. Even no water. But we don't have that power.
Repeating. Glucose is the main fuel. Fats are energy storage. Whenever glucose is available our body will use glucose only. Fats and proteins are used extensively when no glucose is available as in starvation. If partial starvation first glucose and then prots and fats. There is no switch to change mode so that body would utilize fats even when carbs - glucose are available. Structural carbs are not labile and contribute only when autolysis starts.
suramoStar
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Cause = weak genes causing loss of bcf.
Solution = strengthen your genes. Stem cell therapy.
Ir, bcf, insulin level - all are to diagnose severity of D.
You are calling scientifically proven evidences " just opinions ". I can't help.
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I told you already.....Indian Dr Jean Fung
suramoStar
Bhaswathy
yup. You also say insuline homeopathy preparations. Yes. Diet comes first then medicines.
ą¤¹ą¤æą¤¤ą¤ą„ą¤āą¤®ą¤æą¤¤ą¤ą„ą¤āą¤ą¤¤ą¤ą„ą¤ is clear message given by Ayurveda...
So diet is first....
suramoStar
Anup
very right. Indirect glucose in neo.... . The body tissues take up glucose from blood and the glucose depots - glycogen keep pouring glucose into circulation. When glycogen gets exhausted others have to come into action but there is one interesting fact about our body. It keeps up its practice. So if you are taking high carbs it doesn't mean your body doesn't practice neo......No. nature keeps it practising.
Yes. NK only if there is a hypo caloric diet. Also whenever glucose is available our body would use glucose only. Easy ride with glucose.
Anup. I have lost about 7-8 kg since i started low carb diet for about 3 months ago including last one and half months grain free. I'm still not ketonuric but surely i'm burning body fat now. Proteins also but i don't feel weak or no muscles related symptoms yet. let's see what happens with me. We can get a little better conclusion from my case because i have lost most of my bcf. I'm Almost as good as t1d.
suramoStar
Anup
oh.. bhb gets converted to acac before it can be used but blood contains both. A very little is acetone except high degree of ketosis.
suramoStar
Anup
yes. You have to take keto diet. During that time your body utilses ketones. Yes. But as soon as carbs are available our body starts using glucose.
Lct even we don't recommend on lc** diet. Mct and sct can't be stored.
What is ur diet now a days
Low carb but being veg can't achieve keto range. Trying hard. But bg reasonably under good control. Though not the best.
suramoStar
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Anu....p bhaiya šššššššš
ššššššš
Yes. Believing is subjective. We are all here to find truth. I'm talking basic biochemistry and that is not industry sponsored. I'm not against dr attia or anybody else. Fine. Go through the link below about ketones and compare with the one you are quoting. This is basic homeo dynamics but so varied views.
googleweblight.com/?lite_ur...
I'm not claiming to be an expert nor am i posting opinions here. I'm not here for any kind of gain. I'm just telling you all about the science i know.
"I don't think Dr Attia is just yapping for sake of yapping or trying to be smart. He knows what he is talking and he is talking science based on data that he gathered. Yes, for a mindset of high carb, trained to believe what he has been "made to believe" all these talks of increased endurance post keto-adaptation sound as an attempt to be "smart", perhaps :)"
šššššššššššš. I'm sorry if i have hurt you. Didn't know you follow him blindly.
I'm not carrying predetermined mindset for high carbs. My dear friend basic science is written after so many scientific experiments and study. It's not influenced by any industry. not Believing by me or you doesn't change the truth. Nature doesn't follow you or me.
Only keto diet would keep out bodies keto adapted.
ššš
suramoStar
Anup
agreed except "Body dancing wrt fuel source as we want, once keto-adapted?" If you are saying that once keto adapted you can take any fuel - carbs and / or prots and our body will run on ketones. Yes. Ketoadapted as long as keto diet. If carbs or protein it will give up keto adaptation
suramoStar
Anup
my dear friend. It's looking from the other end. The Basic pathogenesis is bc dysfunction due to weak genes. Low carb diet controls the disease doesn't mean carbs are causing t2d.
Our beta cells become dysfunctional or die as per the script written for them in our genes.The age and extent of This dysfunction is decided by genes. Diet and living style worsen the disease and become the cause of manifestation of D. High sugar is not the cause of beta cell death.
suramoStar
Anup
sorry. I beg to defer. Ketosis starts only after glycogen has been consumed. Liver gly.... Muscle glycogen is not readily available to maintain bs levels.
Yes. Glycogen may be present if you induce ketogenic state artificially by taking bhb preparations. This avenue is under research. So no comment. Or if you start taking high amount of mct with enough carbs i can't comment which metabolic state we are into. I don't know if someone has done a study on that recipe - enough carbs + high mct.
suramoStar
Anup
Ketones as a source of energy only in absence of glucose and liver glycogen.
"Once ketone as source of energy in abundance, what happens if we still keep burning glucose? " This is a hypothetical situation except when you are taking lots of mct and or bhb preparations. I have no knowledge of such situations.
suramoStar
Anup
oh yes. By absence of glucose i meant ketones in abundance to glucose and body utilizing ketones. There is lots of hormonal interplay.
Muscles also use ketones. Can't say for sure which is the fuel for muscles in ketotic state.
suramoStar
Anup
"but after awhile, they begin taking the acetoacetate and converting it to beta-hydroxybutyrate, and returning that to your serum. "
and what happens to that bhb ?
suramoStar
Anup
agreeing not agreeing. Individual choice šššš. If high carbs are the cause of beta cell death / dysfunction it should regenerate beta cells when we adopt low carb diet or say remove beta cells from toxic ????šš high carb environment. T2d occurs in nonveg people also. Although proteins are converted into glucose but that is not equivalent to high carb diet IMHO.
suramo
diabetesselfmanagement.com/...
Beta cells in Type 2
People with Type 2, however, recover beta cell function all the time. A study done in Seattle found that beta cells subjected to high glucose levels (about 288 mg/dl in a test tube) lost function rapidly. But when switched to a low-glucose environment (about 15 mg/dl), most of them recovered normal insulin production.
The longer the cells had stayed in the sugary solution, the longer it took them to recover. The researchers said that the damage might be irreversible after too much time in the glucose bath. They couldnāt say how long that time would be.
cure
Good to see you.
So now rejoice. Your beta cells are going to revive. I shall be happy if your's, anup's and all other lucky persons' beta cells regenerate.
But i don't subscribe to the thought. We are diabetics because we have been endowed with D genes. Wrong choice of ancestors by us.ššš¢š¢š¢š¢šššš
suramoStar
Anup
all that we all are trying with diet is an exercise to find which diet plan is fit for individual body to keep our bs under control so that no further damage occurs to our body.
Only way at present to regenerate or revive our beta cells is stem cell therapy that is in experimental stage now.
suramoStar
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Yes. Mine too insulin levels are high but there is IR caused by a gene manifestion.
"What is debated is what causes the visceral fat that blocks insulin receptors. " i don't agree. Weak genes is the basic defect. And bad diet worsens the condition.
Cells of our body are not immortal. They die and regenerate. Beta cells too. Do you know my dear friend our intestinal lining is replaced every 72 odd hours. That is where - such regeneration of cells - a big part of our nutrition is utilized.
suramoStar
Anup
going by your theory all the sumos ( suramos nhi baba ) and gluttons should be D. I have seen people glutting anything and everything but not D. If you are putting forward the theory of stress - only if you are then our police and military and defence personnels should be D. My friend with strong family history of D - father, mother and brother having D- eats 11-12 roties in lunch and a few less in dinner but his bs is very much under control !!?? And if we follow your logic all the members in a family should be diabetic because they eat the same food and their beta cells are exposed to same toxic high glucose environment.
suramoStar
Agreed. There are certain parts in the brain which utilize only glucose and not ketones. I think abundance of K and lack of dietary glucose would be making our body to utilize K. How i don't know frankly.
suramoStar
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It's a wrong notion that the incidence of t2d has risen in recent times.
1) ayu describes 20 types of D.
2) awareness and modern diagnostic tecnologies bring forth more no of patients.
3) today's fast communication spreads the message wide and fast.
4) human genes are weakening.
Junk food and high carb diet contribute to worsening of D.
suramoStar
Anup
Sorry. you got it wrong. I have gone through that article. I didn't find that.
Fine. High glucose bathing beta cells kills them. What about IR ?
suramoStar
Hidden Thank you bro. But i'm talking science.
suramoStar
Anup
i'm saying glucose is important for the simple reason that body has many mechanisms - glycogen, neo...., to get glucose in case there isn't enough in diet.
suramoStar
Anup
" In ketosis when moving to anaerobic state, it uses glucose whatever available. Anything more than 2 min in anaerobic state the aerobic component starts taking over as significant part."
I need to understand. Anaerobic state comes after aerobic state.
"Classical live example: O P jaisha who ran for 42 km in Rio 2016, without any replenishment and finally fainted."
Can i know why she fainted as per your opinion ?
suramoStar
Anup
i'm confused. Ketones are more energy efficient that's ketones produce more energy than carbs, the oxygen consumption being equal. That means that endurance athletes have to consume ketogenic diet to get energy during anaerobic state. Glycogen burns off quickly while athletes are not yet oxygen deficient.
suramoStar
Anup
yes. But what i'm trying to convey is that if glucose were not so important for our body there would not be natural provisions to generate glucose.
suramoStar
Anup
"Power lifters, short distance sprinters will need carbs, IMHO."
Though it's aerobic state and ketones are best. Carbs more useful in anerobic state.
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suramoStar
Anup
Anaerobic state sets in when oxygen supply is not enough means instead of producing co2 & h2o body produces LA but oxygen is always there or we would die.
I don't want to run muscles on glucose. The nature has made provision. Ms store glycogen exclusively for themselves.
I still need to understand. Metabolic derangement v/s flexibility. But nature is already flexible. During exercise there are many hormones to raise bs. But yes when alternative energy efficient fuel is available body is smart enough to use that. By the way in day to day aerobic life glucose is the main fuel.
suramoStar
šššššš
how any activity does not need oxygen?...how can one bypass the need of oxygen in body??
suramoStar
Anup
even nature has given carbs in abundance to fats. Body has many mechanisms to produce carbs but it has a limit can't be unlimited. It's our bad luck that we are poor at carbs.
Any physical exertion is aerobic in the begining but as the intensity increases body needs more oxygen which we can't supply. So metabolism becomes anaerobic. The end metabolite in anaerobic state is LA rather than co2and water. Body tries to wash out wash out Co2 and get more oxygen by increased respiration. You gyus are telling exactly opposite.
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"the longer the duration of an activity the more aerobic it needs to be.
Short, intense activities that need energy in the absence of oxygen are anaerobic."
@Anup
"Glucose is main fuel because of horrible high carb diet." No. It is because nature wants us that way. IMHO.
suramoStar
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I'm not disputing meaning. I know what i'm saying.
Exercises : aerobic where you don't feel short of breath.
Anaerobic. You are short of oxygen.
Our body can be trained for both kinds of exercises. It then chooses the best fuel. No dispute that only glucose can be burnt during anaerobic state. One has to get trained for endurance exercises but long duration exercises tend to be anerobic. A trained person can delay the anaerobic state. Imho.
suramoStar
Yes. LA gets disposed off once oxygen is available.
suramoStar
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Please tell me why wouldn't glucose burn in aerobic state ? Glucose is a good fuel in anaerobic state. Fine. But it remains main fuel in aerobic state also. The only difference is that in aerobic state the end products are co2 and water which our body can dispose off quickly and LA in anaerobic state. This LA accumulates in our body and being an acid is harmful.
Yes. Those who are doing endurance exercises take keto diet because ketones are energy efficient as fuel and body uses alternative available fuel when needed.
In short body prefers glucose as a fuel but ketones are energy efficient so preferred by endurance athletes
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"Carbohydrate is the only nutrient that can be used in the absence of oxygen, that is why it is conserved." I don't agree that carbs are conserved for anaerobic metabolism. Body has no forecast system to predict that anaerobic state is ensuing. I agree with the rest of the views. And by those mechanisms body tries to procure glucose. Obviously glucose is the prefered fuel as long as available.
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And you don't agree with bcf due to weak genes theory !!?? And you think the stem cell therapy trials are not science based ??!!
suramoStar
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that is because our beta cells become dysfunctional gradually. Diet is the therapy and not the meds.
Many strong species have vanished from earth. It's nature's play. The nature wants to kill us by weakening our genes and gifting D. I again tell you that the number of active genes are reducing. Also the expression of the remaining genes is getting weak.
suramoStar
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Anup bhaiya.
I'm not asking you to take carbs. Naturally carbs are prefered food. Carbs are available naturally in abundance so the humans have been made to use carbs. But we can use ketones also as an alternate fuel. So people who take keto diet can burn ketones for energy. Well when we have both of them - carbd and ketones - body consumes both but for nonD people carbs are the prefered fuel. I'm talking normal biochemistry. We can't be ketonemic naturally but we have to become ketonemic either by dietary management or fasting.
And see the nature's charishma. You need glucose and insulin to burn ketones but you don't need ketones to burn carbs. I'm talking about that magic.
suramoStar
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You agreed to one person authority. And don't agree to many in ada/aha / ama..lol ........šššš
suramoStar
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alcohol is not found in nature.
You might have said that about fructose.
The substances with simple structure are digested fast. They are toxic or has side effects like gastritis is our bad luck but yes alcohol provides quick energy.
suramoStar
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agreed. Even i'm living on very less diet almost to the extent of fasting. I didn't take anything after noon yesterday . Took just 3 bitter gourds and fats as i have been taking. I'm still fit and strong.
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Extreme or not. That is the only definite treatment at present.
One with weak genes can't prevent t2d but with dietary management PERHAPS can delay the manifestation.
suramoStar
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take it easy bro. I was joking.
The isomerization of glucose to fructose is part of the glycolysis cycle that converts glucose to pyruvate. The way this is done is to isomerize the aldehyde (hemiacetal) glucose to the ketone (as a hemiacetal) fructose,and make another phosphate ester. But glucose to fructose as fructose not known.
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Although you know please read below
"Glycogen is your body's preferred energy source for exercise, as it's more readily available, writes Dr. John Berardi in "The Essentials of Sport and Exercise Nutrition." This means that glycogen is a better source of energy when training for athletic performance. According to the University of Massachusetts, decreased levels of glycogen correspond with an increased perception of fatigue; runners consuming 40 percent of their calories from carbs can't fully replenish their glycogen stores every day, whereas athletes with a 70 percent carb-based diet can."
So according to him it's better for athletes to consume 70% carbs for better performance. No. This i'm not saying.
"The process of breaking down non-carbohydrate substances, such as fats, to use as fuel is called gluconeogenesis" yaar isne to neo.... ki definition hi badal di.
"One of the main factors, aside from diet, that influences the ratio of fat burning to carb burning is exercise intensity. At low intensities your body will turn to fat for energy, but as you start to train harder, it will switch to burning more glycogen, ". He contradicts his previous statement.
"When training for athletic performance, however, you should ideally be looking to use glycogen as your main energy source. " ššššš
"For athletes, or anyone looking to maximize performance, glycogen is the better fuel for training. To ensure you're using more glycogen, consume plenty of carbs in your diet. Between 55 percent and 65 percent of an athlete's calories should come from carbs" šššššš
This is from the link you sent.
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Bade bhaiya. Matter ko kaha se kaha le ja rahe ho.
Yes. Alcohol can be the prefered source but for its toxicity and effect on brain. Also it gets absorbed fast and used up but we need a constant supply of energy.
"We have to note that digestion is not the same as energy usage, otherwise you would just have explained why people would get fat if they ate carbohydrate." Ye apna anup bahut chillaya hai why we become fat on carbohydrate food. INSULIN.
Body uses both glucose and ketones as fuel whichever is abundant but glucose is prefered fuel. Now that doesn't mean i'm asking we all to take carbs please. Good for us to be ketotic. We are poor at carbs.
suramo bhai, lagta hai university ki dhool khaati hui kitabon ka revision chal raha hai aaj kal...
jingale
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Sahi pakade hai.
But the fundamentals remain unchanged.
Not exactly but yes to some extent. Ye log itni tough baatein jo kar rhe hai. Yes as i know the science it's my pleasure to clear misconceptions - mine as well as others' šššš
suramoStar
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Yaar really. If they decrease limits you find conspiracy of pharma and food industry in that because that makes many people D overnight.
I'm joking please. You are right. Anything above 140/ anytime is not good for us.šššš
suramoStar
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kya yaar itna gussa karte ho.
Arey we are poor at clearing carbs. If we cross the limits of say 180 that bs level would stay for a long time in our blood exerting its deleterious effects on our body. NonD would clear that levels quickly. So no harm to them. This is a logical scientific answer.
Well bro. Why should we all think of even crossing 140. Bahut tough hai not to cross 140 chalo 160 kar dete hai. Yaar ab to khush ho jao ...lol ....
suramoStar
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very true but there are people who show nonD numbers except during stress e. g. during pregnancy. They are potential D if not preD. Some people call it 1.5 yani ki dedh shana D ššššššš
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Ketones are energy efficient. So good when oxygen supply is scarce or short.
You post a link which you don't agree with.
According to my understanding in anaerobic state there are two fuels.
1) Glucose undergoing anaerobic metabolism which produce less energy ( 7 atps v/s 11 - correct me if wrong )
2) if ketoadapted or otherwise, ketones would use whatever oxygen is available to produce more energy. Anaerobic doesn't mean absence of oxygen. It's shortage of oxygen.
Now the guys in that link wanted 70% of the energy to come from glycogen i. e. carbs. Now this may be true for sprinters and short aggressive exercises ketones might be best for long duration exercises.
"This proves that glycogen is favoured for anaerobic work. " sorry my dear friend the link doesn't say that. They have used word " runner ". I don't think they have said anything about lc** - in against or favor.
"Tim Noakes and Steve Redgrave have found this to their cost, having developed type 2 from chronic consumption of a high carbohydrate diet." Again you are blaming carbs for t2d.
Also keep in mind that muscles also have glycogen to be used for flight and fight i. e. exercise
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LOL anup bhai.... cosmic pills kaha se aya??
lalitharao swathy ki other id thodi hi hai ?
suramoStar
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difficult to digest. No drug can influence genome so easily. Only cytotoxic drugs and ionising radiation can.
suramoStar
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wo bhule bhatke log hai. Let's show them the right path. And there is a science in it. Fasting insulin and bs levels will determine IR. Unless you know the disease from the root you can't give right treatment / advice.
my fbs-167 and pps-211. recently i learned that long wheat have good effect . but here in haridwar we r getting jau (wheat with husk) else its powder. what to do.
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