In the study, twenty participants with common digestive issues (IBS) were put on two different diets for six weeks each:
Modern wheat products (for example wheat bread)
Identical products but made from an ancient variety of wheat, that hasn’t undergone modern plant breeding.
The participants didn’t know which one of the diets they were put on, and the order in which they were assigned to a diet was randomized. Not even the researchers themselves knew which person ate which diet during the period (a double-blind study). Thus, this is a high quality study, a randomized, double-blind crossover trial, where potential differences should be caused by wheat itself, and not be caused by imagination or expectations.
The difference was clear-cut.When participants with digestive issues consumed modern wheat they felt like they usually did, they suffered from their usual digestive issues. But when for six weeks they ate the ancient wheat their symptoms improved with significantly less abdominal pain, less abdominal bloating and an improved quality of life.
Why this happened???
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Tetraploid wheat (durum wheat) is mainly used for the preparation of pasta. As a result of
breeding, thousands of tetraploid wheat varieties exist, but also tetraploid landraces are still
maintained and used for local food preparations. Gluten proteins present in wheat can induce
celiac disease, a T-cell mediated auto-immune disorder, in genetically predisposed individuals after ingestion. Compared to hexaploid wheat, tetraploid wheat might be reduced in T-cell stimulatory epitopes that cause celiac disease because of the absence of the D-genome.
Recent genome mapping of modern bread wheat with an eye to its toxic influence in celiac disease has isolated a small chain of peptides on a portion of the gluten protein which is directly responsible for stimulating the reaction in those with the celiac genetic inheritance. The plant genes responsible for contributing these peptides in wheat gluten are located on the third set of chromosomes that the hexaploid variants inherited from their wild parent. It is very interesting to note that neither the diploid nor the tetraploid cereal grains contain this genetic material. That is, cultivated diploid einkorn, and tetraploid emmer wheat along with certain of the durum pasta wheats as well as durum variants such as Kamut® (a brand name for T. turgidum or T. turanicum) and T. polonicum (Polish wheat) do not contain this genetic material.
Fat Head: Are all types of gluten equally bad, or are some worse than others? If some are worse, is the gluten from today’s wheat particularly damaging?
Dr. Davis: The amino acid structure of gluten can vary widely, although all gluten shares the characteristic viscoelasticity desired by bakers and consumers, the property that allows the pizza maker to toss the dough in the air to shape pizza crust and allows dough to be molded into multiple forms from pita pockets to ciabattas.
The worst, most harmful glutens are the recent varieties created by geneticists. The changes introduced into the “D” collection of genes (“genome”) characteristic of modern semi-dwarf wheat likely account for the quadrupling of celiac disease in our time, the doubling just in the past twenty years. Less destructive forms of gluten are those found in the ancient wheat forms, such as einkorn, emmer, and spelt—less destructive, not non-destructive.
My view: Gluten, in all its forms but especially its modern forms, is potentially so destructive to human health that the ideal solution is to say goodbye to it completely.
I do agree with his view that we should avoid all forms of Gluten....but in current scenario..where out diet is based on grains....the change will be gradual.
Please note here that we are not talking about genetic modification, simply hybridizing. Buying non-GMO wheat is no protection. (Dr. Davis did, however, experiment with einkorn and emmer, which are being grown for the health food market. He found he did not react to them anywhere near as badly as he does to modern wheat.) Note, too, that whether a wheat product is refined or whole-grain, whether it’s a donut or whole wheat noodles, makes no difference whatsoever. It all contains gluten. It’s like asking whether a recovering alcoholic would be better off drinking a Mudslide or a glass of red wine.
MikePollard it is noteworthy that even person who very strongly recommends grain less diet and particularly AGAINST WHEAT ...and known as international authority on the subject is also very soft on Emmer/long wheat...
It is proved beyond doubt that Emmer/long wheat is beneficial than normal wheat...thru the experiment conducted by site dietdoctor.com which you often quote.
As you are avid reader and internet researcher...I request you to have some search on amalyse amlose and amaylopectin ...
I am not sure about curative properties of LONG WHEAT...but it is sure.....it is helpful for a diabetic.....
If a report given by a gentleman after testing and confirming the results and getting confirmed by some who followed that diet is dismissed off as hogwash , what is the basis for the beliefs of other ideas .An idea becomes a belief after experimentation .Come on , have an open mind MR Mike .
Mike ,
you said sometime back that you are open to scientific facts and novel ideas . Why don't you keep aside your prejudice for sometime and take long wheat and see whether it has got it's own merits . The diet which you are supporting now , was also new to you at one point of time .
high fat diet contributes to psychosomatic diseases , gastro intestinal problems , endocrine destructing chemicals , affect sertonin levels . All these evils if they attack people in their 50s , it may not affect them much since 3/4ths of their life is over . But if the wrong ideas go in to the minds of youth , their lives become total waste for them and to the country in general.In the long innings it is going to be colossal loss to the humanity .
Mine is observational study , conducted with my patients and not opinions , as named by some self proclaimed scientific bent of minds . If you want to believe my words believe or other wise leave it .I came to the forum in july 2015 .Then I came across the concept of high fat . In the meanwhile I came across a couple of cases which I suspect are due to this faulty practice only . I can't produce any supporting evidences .I neither have funds nor facilities to make experiments on national level .
Ma'am, in that case, would it not be appropriate to add a disclaimer stating that your post/comment is merely an opinion, and is not based on any systematic study?
Of course it is based on my experience with my patients . It is not an opinion . Any journey starts with the first step . This fact has to be understood by brushing off other's experiences as opinions as if their opinions are strait delivered from HEAVEN OR Akashavani. There is no need to give any disclaimer because in a matter of a couple of years my theory is going to get proved .
Thank you very much . In a public forum all of us can freely express our opinions and give our experiences .As long as it is not going to do damage to the physical or mental plane there should not be any objections . With all the criticisms , I am not expressing any new idea , except asking people to adhere to our age long practices in diet and general life style but reduce total food in take, as too much food is not needed in the present scenario
No, you are not just sharing your opinions and experiences. You are stating them as facts, without any supporting evidence, to diss a diet that has proven effective for many in managing T2D.
opinion is the word coined by you ,and I am using it to drive the point . to those ,who use that ALWAYS. Have you given your case history . I can't disclose the cases of my patients because they do not like it . ANY WAY IT IS none of your business to pass regulating COMMENTS . iF you think it is needed ,complain to the moderators .
You remind me my own words, @bhaswathy. Counting starts with 1. I keep telling "experts" who dismiss my cure experience as "anecdotal" that 1 is infinitely larger than 0. Occasionally I hum the 'Sound Of Music' song
"When you sing you begin with do re mi ......."
and I add "when you count you begin with one two three
shooter...I'm not dismissing your "cure " as anecdotal. I want to connect it to the science. nobody on this earth can claim that he/ she is "expert " on D.If we can show that lwmdr regenerated your beta cells the whole community would be benefited. Yes. Counting starts from 1 and that 1 for us is to confirm that our bcf is low and we have t2d. For that you should have reports of your fasting insulin and fbs levels when you were diagnosed D. Or any other reports that confirms that you were D from 2006- 2009. Please have no harsh feelings. We all want to get "cured "
Medical data , which is supported by vested interests ?Ayurveda which is known as a sacred science , which has given a comprehensive insight , is brushed off by you and now in millions of diabetics , if 100 or thousand cases give favourable reports , YOU WANT US TO GO BY THAT . we can always brand them as freak cases .I told you , please go and complain to the moderators if you find any objectionable comment in my recommended diet and views .
Just leave the word opinion .It is backed by hundreds of years of practice followed in our country . It has been accused of leading to diabetes because of some freak cases .
For a period of nearly 40 years , the same science , the same doctors , the same medical fraternity , sang a different song . After an irrepairable loss to millions , they changed their tune .
Science need not claim success rates on internet . They should show in practical example.
YES . He can preach by all means , but there is no business to call the diet of ours ---''idiotic , stupid , nonsensical '' and when I tried to explain a point to call that as opinion.
TO day at 7am I got a mail from Healthunlocked --' WELCOMING ME to the forum . I didn't delete my account and so the question of subscribing again does not arise .What is the need to welcome me to the forum , unless some move some where had had taken place .That's ok with me . If people want me to be thrown out , I don't mind , because I have made my point clear in no uncertain terms , that this metabolic disorder has to be rooted out by a well balanced , nutritious food , in right amount at right time , in right proportions along with right style of living and rest .LIKE IT IS POINTED OUT BY MANY , MEDICINES OF ANY pathy are secondary.But only alternative medicine has an answer for that.. That's the reason , west has taken up extensive research in ayurved , herbs ,yoga ,pranic healing ,pranayama and all . Like they say only when put in conch , water becomes theertham , unless it comes from the west it is not considered as science . I am ready to go away ,but not on my own .
Mine is my own patients . There are many causes which lead to the diseased state , which I can't discuss .It is not trumpeting success stories from borrowed practices .
Anup sir, Better keep quiet and go on telling people about LCHF if 3 out of 10 comes for experiment is a good number. No argument please. Thanks
HOMEOPATHY IS NEARLY 165 YEAR old and has got sufficient experimental support . It might have faced much opposition in the initial stages . Now , I am going by my practical experience , not one year or 5 years of eating some thing.
For your kind info , do you know , just Arnica it self cures the diseased state of diabetes , if diabetes is caused by any physical or mental trauma .I do agree that there are certain limitations in any subject . I have been stating that fact from the begining.
I did n't say that homeopathy is the all and be all system for all cures .It has got it's limitations . But then that is the same with any branch or system of medicine . In fact I am a staunch admirer of Ayurveda , but by birth I have had been pushed in to homeopathy as a family tradition .Then again there is the theory of karma . Karma means cause and effect .What we had done , should be borne by us . THIS IS NOT HIDING behind a lame excuse .Astrology , spirituality and Ayurveda all the three go together .YOUR FRIEND'S case could be falling in that category. ALL ENGINEERS ARE NOT VISHWESWARAYYAS , ALL PRINCES ARE NOT GAUTHAMA THE BUDDHAS , ALL BEAUTY QUEENS ARE NOT AISHWARYA RAIS .Every thing goes according to a predetermined pattern . TRY HOWEVER We might , we can't find a cure in some cases .Just as individual karma works in individual cases , some times collective karma works / afflicts a group collectively ....Karma the theory of cause and effect is altogether a different subject and I don't want to hide behind that in my failure cases.We have to do our best in our duty and the rest has to be left to the supreme power .
The practice of Homeopathy is unscientific ..was there any study on XX number of people in so many years to prove scientifically if any of its provided solutions proved to be successful?? None..It is just a feel good medicine..it never cured any maladies or diseases....based upon some simple acceptance or your limited experience ..you can not call it offers a fool proof treatment of any disease? Be real..
Instead of having a negative approach towards alternative medicine , scholars like you can do something for the use of other systems of medicine . Otherwise the monopoly of modern medicine goes unabated and play havoc with millions of lives . For every 100 hundred cases one failure is faced in that system . Why don't intellectuals like you admit that . Just as opposition parties keep the govt under constant scrutiny and criticism , unless an alternative system works against the main stream of modern Medicine , things do not improve on the health front. No one is denying the efficacy of modern medicines when it comes to the medical role it is playing in case of accidents , life saving surgeries , infections ,diseases due to microbes , bacteria , viruses etc . In stead of criticising one can do whatever he or she can do for the promotion of alternative systems of medicine like Ayurveda ,homeopathy , unani , siddha , Acupuncture , etc all which have got their own merits .
No one has negative approach, no need to carry away with all that emotional bent. All we are saying if you have any data to prove your point, any study that proves that so many people have taken certain Homeopathic drug and after monitoring it proved that it works, we will accept it and maybe add in our regimen of medicines. Just like other medicines,we take, we like to validate to see if there are any studies to prove it and also note the side affects. If there is such data to prove your point , I may embrace any Homeopathic medicine as well. There is nothing except your personal experience, that can not be accepted as proven solution. It is simple as that, if there is nothing that proven backed with data, we can move on with you personal view without accepting or not accepting it. Thanks.
@anup I have all my Blood reports with me...prior to low fat and after High Fat...heavy consumption of Saturated fats....And reports says after heavy consumption of fats reports are better...
Is Long Wheat gluten free? Which are all the gluten free grains that can be used? Ragi, Jowar, Bajra, Soy, lentils, samai (Indian equivalent of quinoa), horse tail gram etc. - Which of theses are gluten free & also low carb or with low glycemic index ? Has any one done some studies on this & throw some light?
bhai @anup same thing MikePollard asked for Ayurvedic scalpel I gave him full details..what instruments were used by Sushruta.
Either he could not open the web site....
But ask him if LCHF can cure hernia??? same even during sushruta time surgery was answer...and tell him to get out from notion....ayurveda means cow urine....
when many of scriptures were advocating auto urine in his country Ayurveda was doing most advanced surgeries.
Rhinoplasty techniques were carried out in ancient India by the ayurvedic physician Sushruta (c. 800 BC), who described reconstruction of the nose in the Sushruta samhita (c. 500 BC), his medico–surgical compendium. The physician Sushruta and his medical students developed and applied plastic surgical techniques for reconstructing noses, genitalia, earlobes, et cetera, that were amputated as religious, criminal, or military punishment. Sushruta also developed the forehead flap rhinoplasty procedure that remains contemporary plastic surgical practice. In the Sushruta samhita compendium, the physician Sushruta describes the (modern) free-graft Indian rhinoplasty as the Nasikasandhana.
In time, the 5th-century BC Indian rhinoplasty technique—featuring a free-flap graft—was rediscovered by Western medicine in the 18th century, during the Third Anglo–Mysore War (1789–1792) of colonial annexation, by the British against Tipu Sultan, when the East India Company surgeons Thomas Cruso and James Findlay witnessed Indian rhinoplasty procedures at the British Residency in Poona. In the English-language Madras Gazette, the surgeons published photographs of the rhinoplasty procedure and its nasal reconstruction outcomes; later, in the October 1794 issue of the Gentleman's Magazine of London, the doctors Cruso and Findlay published an illustrated report describing a forehead pedicle-flap rhinoplasty that was a technical variant of the free-flap graft technique that Sushruta had described some twenty-three centuries earlier.[8]
But....few ppl are still under influence of URINE…. For them indigenous medicine means Urine theropy….
anybody can recommend anything. Freedom of speech but whatever is available on net is just opinions. Nothing else. I read many articles and find far away from truth.
I think lastly you sent a link "curediabetes " It was far away from the truth. The people want to show their superiority by interpreting the facts in a weird way. In that article he looked at the issues from the wrong end.
Last sunday i had interaction with a dietitian attached with a very big multispeciality hosp in ahmedabad. In her lecture she said " saturated fats used in bakery products turn bad and it's responsible for obesity and D" . I told her madam saturated fats never go rancid even if boiled a few times. Bakery products are bad not because of fats - although nobody uses pure ghee or coconut oil - but because of refined flour and sugar in it.
Asked by the audience which oil is good she said avoid saturated oil like ghee etc. All other oils are same and you should change your oil every week or every month. Now if all oils are the same or similar why should one change the oil frequently ?
There are two problems.
1) some people have a tendency to distort the facts to prove that they are super intelligent.
2) they don't want to come o/o the tradition because they have not updated their knowledge and fear questions.
to phir ho gaya na. Continue with the same diet plan and keep on checking periodically that you have not lost control. Don't forget that your bcf can deteriorate further or your ir can increase. In that case you have to reschedule your diet strategies.
Celiac disease is an autoimmune digestive disorder that is caused by eating foods that contain gluten, a type of protein found in wheat, rye, barley, and possibly oats. When a person with celiac eats a food that contains gluten, an immune reaction occurs that results in damage to the villi of the small intestine. Villi are finger-like projections that protrude from the lining of the small intestine and help increase the surface area, allowing nutrients to be absorbed at a fairly fast rate. With celiac, these villi are damaged and flattened out, leading to malabsorption........
...... Twenty-five percent of new diagnoses occur in adults older than 60 years of age. And 6% of people with Type 1 diabetes have celiac. In people with Type 2 diabetes, about 1 in 250 have celiac.
Individuals can be genetically predisposed to type 2 diabetes, but these genes do not increase the risk of celiac disease. If an individual with celiac disease has type 2 diabetes, it is for the same reason as anyone in the general population. Diabetes experts think type 2 diabetes is associated with a Western lifestyle. Studies of ethnic groups (African Americans, Mexican Americans and Pima Indians) genetically predisposed to type 2 diabetes living in the United States have shown a higher rate of this disease than their counterparts living in non-Westernized areas. Besides genetic predisposition, being sedentary and/or obese increases the risk of type 2 diabetes.
Firstly autoimmune ki definition padho. Autoimmunity means our body's defence system find our own tissues our enemy and attack them. So autoimmunity is developing an immune reaction to our own antigen. This is because of some defect somewhere in the immune system.
Gluten is not a part of our body. So celiac disease is not an autoimmune disease.
Sometimes a viral or bacterial infection or any other substance has an antigen that is similar to our own antigen. There are many antigens on the body of viruses and bacteria. One of them might be same as ours. Now antibodies developed against them also misrecognise our own antigen as enemy and attack and destroy them. This way beta cells can get destroyed.
T2d has nothing to with immunity. No antibodies against beta cells have yet been found in those having t2d. 2 diseases may coexist.
For a disease to develop there are 2 factors
1) Predisposing factors
2)Precipitating factors.
So a genetically predisposed person when adopts a metropol life style precipitates disease. But otherwise also he/ she can develop t2d because a script has already been written in the genes.
I think autoimmune for celiac is a misnomer. What they are saying is that when you eat gluten our body defence attack it and villi are destroyed. If you stop eating gluten the disease gets completely cured. So basically villi are innocent victims. If it were autoimmunity our defence system would be killing villi even when you are not eating gluten.
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Adapting to Fat on a Low-Carb Diet
Yes low carb agreed .... because in modern LOW ENERGY CONSUMPTION SEDENTARY LIFE STYLE carbs loos their Nutritional utility... re-posted ..
WATER MELON IS GOOD FOR DIABETES….. INFORMATIONAL CASCADE AT WORK
LCHF diet,before fully committing ourselves,please pause and think is it to be followed as discussed several times in this forum in toto ?