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An attempt to understand the physiology behind the success of LWMDR, in controlling blood sugar.A coincidence or possibility.

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The long wheat is nothing but a carbohydrate.It is common knowledge that all carbs. Increase blood sugar.So to control blood sugar low carb. diets are advocated.So against the common belief how it is possible the reverse to be true?

Starch is a form of carb. which is easily broken down and absorbed.Now during last20yrs. Researchers have focused their attention to starch which they call RESISTANT STARCH.It is so named because it resists digestion and passes into large intestine as such.Once this resistant starch reaches large intestine it gets FERMENTED by the bacteria present there.With this fermentation RS is converted into SCFA,short chain fatty acids.these SCFA are absorbed in the body and used as source of energy.

What these SCFA or BUTYRATE do in the body--(1) Decreases the glycemic response in diabetics. (2)--Increases insulin sensitivity thus reduces insulin resistance, (3) Increases initial phase of insulin secretion.

But the most important functions (1). It blocks liver's ability to use carbohydrate for fuel, which in turn causes stored body fat and recently consumed dietary fat to burned for fuel instead.As carb. IS body's preferred form of fuel cutting off access to carb. May force body to burn fat as alternate fuel source.

(2). RS in diet increases fat oxidation,large fat molecules are broken down into smaller molecules to be used as energy.This fat oxidation continues through out the day,not just immediately following the meal.

(3) More satiety inducing hormone is produced.

(4) Increases absorption of calcium and magnesium.

(5) RS has also beneficial effect on kidney, eyes, brain and ulcerative colitis.

(6) Claimed to have preventive capability for certain types of cancer.

Therefore there is possibility that Long Wheat contain a fair amount of Resistant Starch and continued ,regular use in large quantity may have accentuated beneficial effect on insulin resistance,fat burning and glucose moderation in blood.All leading to control of blood sugar.

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Very informative.

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Thanks.

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patliputra

Dear friend, both the web references provided by you are misquoted and mis represented and out of context.there is not even ane reference to resistant starch.Safe starch is not Resistant starch.there is no ref. to resistant starch in that discussion.They are arguing about starch as carb/glucose ,specially non fibre carb.Please do not confuse between safe starch and resistant starch.Both things are poles apart.

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liverane

What these SCFA or BUTYRATE do in the body--(1) Decreases the glycemic response in diabetics. (2)--Increases insulin sensitivity thus reduces insulin resistance, (3) Increases initial phase of insulin secretion.. So LWMR with high fat will help reverse DM. by increasing sensitivity. Most of the DM patients have the resistance of cells to insulin. This stage is a definite benifit to us.

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patliputra

Friends, at the out set let me explain that what has been written is based on extensive research by several investigators within last 20yrs.And it is about Resistant Starch.But composition of Long Wheat,I could not find,so can not say percentage of carb,protein or fat or even percentage of resistant starch in long wheat.

It was my own speculation like thinking aloud to connect with the research finding on RS with long wheat.

Much research is needed to come to definite conclusion.

By initiating this debate,I wanted to draw attention of any agricultural scientist on this forum to come out with

authentic data on long wheat.

Food for thought.

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ShooterGeorge in reply to patliputra

I feel things are entering the second stage.

First stage was some diabetes patients, other than me, experienceing the effect of LWMDR; it has happened.

Second stage is some learned personalities recognising the need to analyse & study the Long Wheat to find out the component(s) that enables/empowers LW to rejuvanate impaired or produce fresh Beta cells in Pancreas & there-by cure Diabetes. This also has taken place through patliputra & some others.

Third stage would be botanists/biochemists getting interested & taking up a project to unearth the hidden facts/information.

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liverane

I have come across the research by one of the institutions( Try to pitch and make it available in the forum.) The result is similar one like other trials. And they have made recepie of LW with Methi up to 10% and coriander etc.Even Aurvedic doctors do not have any idea when i discussed and they insist on rice or wheat diet. not even LCHF.

LCHF works as per a study by a Swiss doctor to lower the BS in DM patients.

Recently i read in paper that Quina diet conducted on small group on a smsll group gives good result in a short span in Chennai - one clinic but no cure.

But, the LWMR of Mr Sh George is very simple and produces vey good result in short span.

I remember about 10 members in the forum are in with diet and all are reporting good trends including that of mine. In yet another discussion Raghvendra has furnished the logic.and i imagine it works some what similar to that. We have wait for another six months for the information regarding the LWMR study

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bhaskarraut in reply to liverane

The members who are practicing the LWMDR, should share their experiences, for the benefit of other members.

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appanna in reply to bhaskarraut

yes I am on long wheat diet and will be posting result shortly thanks to shooter george

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Peace7 in reply to appanna

After a very long time, I have managed getting 2 Kg of LW and this time have started the mash. Its really yummy with either vegetable/ chicken curry. Once I had it with dal ghosh and felt there was no other food as tasty as this. As Guptaji says its very filling and keeps you full and happy for a long time. This 2 Kg may not last me for too long but hope and pray I would be able to get more before it exhausts. My problem is unavailability of the wheat in my area, otherwise I would keep posting my good report time to time. Thank you Mr. George.

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patliputra in reply to Peace7

What it (wheat) is called,apart from khapli,in your locality or locally ?

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Peace7 in reply to patliputra

Once they showed me Jau saying that was the wheat and it was with the husk, but since I have taken khapli wheat once, I know what it looks like. This time I got it from Pune thru' a friend but couldn't tax her to carry more than 2 Kg.

Thank you Patliputra, When i eat LW even small qty keeps my stomach full and keeps it full for longer time. Add coconut oil liberally and you will not feel hungry for long. Long wheat is totally different from wheat- only names is having the word wheat due to resemblance. Basmati rice is good if you cook it the traditional way- drain the water after cooking and add ghee liberally. Then eat it with daal/meat so it keeps u full longer. BUT LONG WHEAT CURES, Shooter George and Peace 7 are angels and now we have a third one, Patliputra you are a champ.

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Thanks for appreciating.But you are the person with brain making good of both the world.Actually I think both are two face of same coin.(diets).

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Dear indiacratus,

Thanks for comments.it is true that RS is fermented in large intestine,it is good bacteria which does the fermentation .It also helps in increasing benefactor and reducing harmful bacteria.Helps in improving health of colon and help in preventing colonic carcinoma..

Chemical structures of RS and cellulose are quite different,so are the properties as well as uses.

See the pancreas has been affected by a no of factors. I feel that more than one solution will be able to give it greater rest/lesser load so it can heal itself. There are herbs which help cure inflammation like Amrita/Guduchi and Meshshringi, Paneer Doda and Insulin Leaves. Depending of what is the specific problem one or more herbs may suit the need. This self help group provides us an opportunity to share experiences and egg each other on

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Mr.Gupta and Mr.Medfree,

I quote the following"Science does not accord any scientific truth the status of immutability of being changeless and unchallengeable .What is called the scientific method deals not with unquestionable truths,but with working hypotheses, which continue to work until they are disproven by another hypothesis."

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There is nothing like unquestionable,in the eyes of science.as once upon a time ,it was unquestionable truth that Earth is flat,till It was proved wrong.

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ShooterGeorge

Finally some meaningful, healthy & positive discussion is initiated. Thank you very much. I can't avoid telling (pardon me atheists), Praise The Lord.

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ShooterGeorge

My experience is NOT a mere coincidence. I came to know about effect of Long Wheat on diabetics from my maternal uncle who was a qualified & registered Ayurveda practitioner. He came to know about LW from the Saanskrit scriptures he studied. He had recited the Saanskrit slooka to me during 1970's amidst a chat.

I practiced LWMDR INTENTIONALLY & that is why I preserved ALL test reports for future use. Soft copy of some are at Picasa albums.

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Quote is ok but context is misplaced.

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patliputra

Beliefs about earth were many, which over a period of time proved wrong.Old beliefs die hard.

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liverane

I have observed more than 7 people have reported good progress and and the same number have started. May be we can open up a page here and log in as and when we test nd discuss the result. But make it a point to msg Sh George to get right direction.

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ShooterGeorge in reply to liverane

I am at your service as long as available; there are three stents near my prime mover. :-) :)

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Best thing could be to initiate laboratory trials/ research on "Long Wheat". But who will and how it will be done is questionable. May be our chemical experts/ enthusiasts can do that by referring it to concerned scientists. May be some scientists are already on the job, secretly :).

I am one of the members who is eating LWMD and getting excellent results.

swamy.

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patliputra

I am sorry to learn about your stents.Pray and hope there are no further complications.

You are THE pioneer who put LWMDR into practice and so meticulously followed keeping record of every thing and daring to publish it against all prevailing concepts.You deserve a salute.

I am humbly trying to give this a solid and scientific base to stand on.Please see my today's post.

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Peace7

As Job : 26-7(b) says. He suspends the earth over nothing. This means its hanging. As a pendulum cannot be stationary, so is the earth not stationary.

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ShooterGeorge in reply to Peace7

Nice. :-)

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patliputra

Job is a biblical figure.His name also figures in Quran ,where he is treated as a prophet.In the context of Job I will quote"Who is that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

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Peace7

I was sure YOU would ask me about Job. I guessed it absolutely right. He is not Steve Jobs, but another Job you'll not be interested to know. BTW, the thread was directed to Mr. George.

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patliputra

Mr.George, come alive on this forum,then only with help from others would be able to persue the matter.

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Peace7

Medfree, my friend, do not be offended.

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Peace7

This is not religious preaching, but the truth from the book of life. We were discussing about the earth which is one of creation. Instead of breaking our heads over anything go to the book which has answers to everything pertaining life.

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Peace7

Its so..oo.. boring to only talk diabetes all the time. Won't it be interesting to have a variety of topics for discussion ? Moreover, was it wrong talking about the earth we live on ?

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I thoughly enjoyed the dialogue.

Of late this forum was getting lack lustred and monotonous .Same old queries are being repeated times and often.Non is making any effort to search the net to find answers.So these discussions always put life to this forum for which I am thankful.

My computer skills are limited hence I am unable to put a smile icon.

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Peace7 in reply to patliputra

Forum Guys, Watch for Medfree/AxEffect & Peace7, where ever you find us there is definitely going to be some entertainment to bring you out of the monotone. So enjoy our threads........

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I don't mind quotes from any source as long as it is relevant and authoritative .It is up to members of this forum to decide .

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Only jackal and wolf hunt in packs,lions hunt alone!

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SO you mean I am a LION ? WOW.......what a compliment. Yes, I do hunt ALONE.

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patliputra in reply to Peace7

AxEffect has put a picture of lion in place of his photo

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Like I have put a pix of bunch of flowers intending to spread fragrance.

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I am really thankful to for providing me with thins information.Actually I also did some study on Vedic philosophy,concept of life ,what is beyond life(death),about universe,space and time time travel etc.We Indians always look to west for every thing and accept what they say.It is also true about our history.As a matter of fact we do not know our rich and highly advanced legacy.Even Hindu word is not religious,it was a geographical name.I can go on writing on and on ,but alas I have no option to stop.thank you.

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You are my real friend tooooo...I haven't forgotten anyone.

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Peace7

Come on, Anup. You cheer up too !

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patliputra in reply to Peace7

Do you believe Anup, med free and AxEffect are one and same person?

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Peace7 in reply to patliputra

Ask the person involved. He'll be in a better position to reply.

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patliputra in reply to Peace7

I am surprised why you addressed medfree once as AxEffect and then as Anup.Were you trying to confirm your suspicion ?That is why I queried.

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Peace7 in reply to patliputra

:) :)

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Medfree, you made a mistake here. Guess what ?

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Peace7

Do you write pvt messages to anyone ? Can I write to you ?

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Peace7

Have you guessed ?

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Peace7

Aap apke dil per haath rakhkar kahiye ki app woh nahi hai.

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Peace7

I have reminded myself that I sent you an X&X sometime back and I will continue to be true to what I have said. As for sending you a PM, is there really a need at the moment ?

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Peace7

Ok. then, here I go............

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Peace7

Already shot. Didn't it hit you...........

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Peace7

Which friend are you talking about ? AxEffect ?

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Peace7

Ok, then it must be XYZ :)

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patliputra

I know about Meckka.

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Peace7

Very soon this site is going to be one for the diabetics :D :D

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patliputra

though i knew some thing but was unaware of magnitude.

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Peace7

Oh, No..I've read a 20 yr old and 23 yr olds also have started getting D. Perhaps because of the junk food they eat.

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Peace7

Poor kids. These ruthless companies mint using peer pressure to their advantage.

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patliputra

I am thankful to for your resp. onse.I am not letting LWMDR go in vein just because it has beenexperienced and propose to propagate it as a novel method to treat diabetes by an indian. It is unique method, totally new and innovative and I will do what ever possible to provide it with sound scientific base.But this can not be done alone.I have my own limitations.

It should be a collective effort.There is bound to be criticism,some times bordering insult, but that should not deter us from the path in search of truth.I have something in my mind which I will bring out in my next mail.Mean while a group should be formed who believe, follow and are benefitted from LWMDR.I think you are the person who can do it.

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norreal in reply to patliputra

patliputra: Yes, absolutely. You will have to work on it with objectively fitting in the requirement of isolating the experimental variable and next incorporating concept of placebo. To do all this, first step perhaps would be forming matched groups...Personally, I see this as an inexpensive but time consuming effort if we work with volunteers. [If these suggestions do not make much sense, please read 'requirements for EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH' from any good text on research]

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