Decided not to take the 500 g of calcium built into the triple pill containing K2 and D3. It was also a huge pill which is off putting. I’ve purchased the K2 and D3 combination but picked a separate one for the calcium which contains 250 g. Good thing is it has other goodies included like manganese and zinc. Tiny amounts of D3 and K2 but far too little to cover the requirements. There is a small amount of magnesium as well but I take magnesium chelate when I think of it. I notice magnesium is being included in many combinations but I’ve understood that magnesium should be taken separately away from other vitamins. You can take one or up to four a day. I’ll begin with one.
How important are your vitamins to you and what impact do they have on your osteoporosis? I rely on natural means only to address my osteoporosis.
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A lot of us take Vitamins D3 and K2 because they aren't present in the diet in sufficient amounts, and in many parts of the world natural D3 is dependent on the sun being high enough in the sky to trigger our skin to create Vitamin D. Where I live that is only possible for a few months.
I agree that it is best to obtain most of the other nutrients from diet, but two things need to be considered by older individuals and possibly also those with certain chronic health conditions. Aging can make us less efficient at absorbing our nutrients (and, incidentally, reducing our skin's ability to make Vitamin D), and modern farming has depleted the soil so some foods are less nourishing than we expect.
Side effect of sunscreen, which of course is important for lowering risk of skin cancer. I read some time ago that we only need about twenty minutes daily of unobstructed sunlight on a small portion of our body to create enough Vitamin D, but of course it needs to be sunlight obtained during that part of the day when UV light is strongest, which nowadays we all avoid. 🤷♀️
Sunscreen is probably why it doesn’t work in sunny areas. You need to keep out of the sun because of skin cancer but my skin damage was done in my childhood.
Spot on, as usual🙂. I get some organic produce, especially spinach, mushrooms, potatoes, as they should have -hopefully- been grown in a less depleted soil, and not sprayed with pesticides.
I’ve only just managed to get doc to add D3 to my calcium, they are big pills but have to be chewed so no problem. No one has mentioned me having K2, is it really necessary? I do feel taking endless vits and minerals can be counter productive, esp. if you don’t even need them. I understand the calcium bit esp. post menopause, aging etc. Hope it meant the calcium was working that meant when I dropped a heavy bottle on my toes, which would normally break them, they weren’t! 🤞
I consider the K2 the most important of the lot. It aims the calcium into the bones and out of the arteries. Although my 80 year old husband has the bones of a young man I get them for him too as I think they help to protect the heart too.
I take vitd3 and vitk as a combined spray with 200mg of magnesium glycinate and 3mg of boron in the morning after breakfast. I have 500mg calcichew at lunch and get 700mg calcium from my diet. A 250ml mug of Horlicks delivers 600mg in one go. I take a further 200mg magnesium glycinate an houtlr before bed. I take magnesium and calcium ( including dietary ) at least 2 hours apart to ensure maximum absorption !
Blimey,you must spend your days counting! Tbh cba with all that, just trust I’m doing it vaguely right. I believe things are random anyway,what works for some doesn’t for others, guesswork mostly. But if it works for you then that is good.🤗
Took a while to get it off to a tee but don't even think now. Definitely worked for me my spine has improved by 25% and my hip by 15 % no longer classed as having osteoporosis but osteopenia so still need to keep up my regime
Problem with me is that Magnesium Glycinate gives me chronic indigestion and very loose stools, even in small dosages. I know we need it for our bones as it works together with K2 and D3, but it just does not agree with me. I wish it worked for me, as it helps with insomnia too and I don't sleep at all well.
Is it just glycinate as its usually oxide and citrate that plays havoc with your gut they are regularly used for constipation. To help you rest why not try epsom salts or magnesium flakes in a warm bath or magnesium oil/ cream massaged into your skin?
Thank you for your reply. I tried citrate first and that caused really bad diarrhoea. I do have a delicate stomach and suffer from acid reflux as well. I think I might take your advice and try the magnesium oil.
Are you sure the reflux and indigestion aren't linked rather than it being down to magnesium? Have you had hyperparathyroidism ruled out as the cause of your osteoporosis it's known to cause digestive problems too due to high calcium and high parathyroid hormone in the blood...
I have had PTH blood test recently and calcium and D vitamin levels are normal. I have a hiatus hernia, which can also cause problem with acid. I was OK when I stopped the magnesium.
Do you know your results, if pth and calcium are high end normal then it could still be hyperparathyroidism. Happened to me and I had successful surgery and my osteoporosis vastly improved. Just a though x
I had a word with endocrinologist doctor, who reported calcium level at 2.39 mmol/l. He said that he can tell by this that there is no hyperthyroidism present. I have asked him to let me have the full report including PTH and vitamin D. He will write to my GP with full results, but he assured me that there is no cause for concern as the calcium falls within the correct range.
Dear Cappuccinobaby i noticed your post as i was looking for guidance on d3/k2.
I have hyperparathyroidism - although no further consultations with a specialist have actually taken place yet. My appointment with my endo keeps getting deferred (now to take place in April) and in the meantime i'm trying to fix my hypothyroid symptoms as well not making the hyperparathyroidism worse.
My current results , all done in the same draw recently, are :
PTH 6.1 Range 1.6 - 6.9 pmol/L
Calcium [Moles/volume] corrected for albumin in Serum or Plasma 2.63 Range 2.2 - 2.6 mmol/L
Calcium [Moles/volume] in Serum or Plasma 2.51 Range 2.15 - 2.55 mmol/L
Vitamin D (25-hydroxycholecalciferol) 75 nmol/L Range 51 - 163 nmol/L
I believe I have osteopenia. I badgered my ex-GP to let me have details of a scan that was done a long time ago but he refused to give me information. Only now that i have changed my GP have i been able to get some information.
I am looking at whether I could benefit from Nature Provides Vitamin D3 & K2 (MK-7) without tipping the calcium over range.
I had osteoporosis due to primary hyperparathyroidism. Your vit d looks OK at 75, mine was 25. You could take 50iu of vit K but if you take blood thinners check with your GP first. You GP can't keep results from you, they are yours. Complain to the Practice Manager or PALs. Have you had confirmed diagnosis of Primary Hyperparathyroidism? If so have a look at hyperparathyroiduk.com and consider joining the group. Its one of the most caring I formative patient to patient group you could fine for all things parathyroid
Thank you Cappuccinobaby for sharing your experiences and guidance. I'm not on any medication other than the Levothyroxine for my underactive thyroid. I will go ahead and order the Nature Provides Vitamin D3 & K2 (MK-7) and start taking and see how I go.
Thank you for the link too. I will definitely sign up and try and gather more knowledge to prepare for the endo appointment in April (hopefully it won't get rescheduled again).
As i said I don't think you need vit d if your levels are 75. You might benefit from vit k, boron, magnesium malate and magnesium glycinate. Have a look at the website I mentioned too.
im thinking the same about nature proiveds going for the d3 k2 and mag + zinc same as you but trying to make up the calcium by food hopefully .i have ostoperosis .i did have the alendronic acid UNTILL i went dentist with tooth that really needed to come out and he would not touch it .its a long story but i did MANAGE TO GET IT out .not by my dentist ,shall i say .its not what you know its who you know .ON the day i went it was i check up only .BUT HE said my god you have a massive abcess .im now going to take it out now as a emergency .i was so thank full for i was in agony hence the alendronic acid i gave it back .THATS ONLY MY POINT OF VIEW .now i have that off my chest ,now what i like to ask you i think your advice .i have adcall .which as d3 + calcium BUT I .dont want to take any longer .since finding out ,the adcal does not work with out the other vitamins I wish i would have known sooner But the docter said you have ostoperosis .there you are take these tabs .on your way ,no information ,your on your own ,till you looking for some information and talking to people .so thank god for this site ,right this is the question i cant work out is there enough vitamin D3 in nature provides to cover my needs im taking 2 tablets 2x aday .thats 8 in one day THE BOX SAYS ADCAL D-3 750 mg /200 I.U i am lost and im really do not want to take lots of tablets to take when i can get 4 in one besides the other vitamins pain killers ETC PLEASE IF YOU CANT HELP I WOULD BE GREAT FULL thank you
I couldn't resist posting this google search result when I was looking up hypo- and hyperparathyroidism. Italics mine.
"How long can you have hyperparathyroidism without knowing?
Sometimes hyperparathyroidism makes people miserable within the first year or two of having high blood calcium (see our page on symptoms of hyperparathyroidism). Other times it can go 10 years without causing too much problems other than fatigue, bad memory, kidney stones, and osteoporosis. Oct 25, 2022"
As though fatigue, bad memory, kidney stones and osteoporosis wouldn't make you miserable!
Eight years at least for me, it wouldn't have been found if I hadn't visited my gp with a stiff neck Took 4 years to get a diagnosis and 18 more months to get surgery. I kept being told my aches pain brain fog anxiety was menopause then fibromyalgia as both my calcium and pth were in range. High end but in range it took joining a patient to patient support group for me to learn that when calcium is high pth should be low at that the relationship of my calcium and pth was inappropriate I also had low vit d. I developed osteoporosis but escaped kidney stones eventually my calcium rose to 2.91 and pth to 9.0 fortunately I'm now cured and my bone density had improved by 25% x
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