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For non-religious and religious: How do you understand the phrase “in spirit”?

Can a human be full in spirit and not generous in spirit?

Why does this author or anyone state that trust is a necessary piece?

“If we really want to be full and generous in spirit, we have no choice but to trust at some level.”

RITA DOVE

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Harleyquin1

Hello 4woody

I Think I like that allot

I think it is about vulnerability The act of giving leaves one vulnerable less the intention is misunderstood or abused in some way .

Either way it is a risk so trust must be evoked. In the giver

As they say it is a greater blessing to give than to receive.

I would pose that Trust must be implied by both parties.

A bit like hand feeding an Injured animal reach out with the food in your hand.

I Love the Post Thank you for that Harley x

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4woody in reply toHarleyquin1

vulnerability, that adds an interesting approach to the discussion. What does it mean to you to be full in spirit?

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Harleyquin1 in reply to4woody

Happy, Bound full , Excited, Helpful, Kind, Giving, Blessed,

Are all words that come to mind

At Peace with my inner myself.

What dose "full in spirit" mean to you then x

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Harleyquin1 in reply toHarleyquin1

I like that post so much II am going to have to read some of your others.

I think many of mine seem to be misunderstood they keep getting censored to my concern x

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4woody in reply toHarleyquin1

do you think trust is a necessary piece to be generous?

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Harleyquin1 in reply to4woody

Yes with out a doubt as to be generous without trust can not happen, the act of giving is a trusting act.

Yes just had a second thinking and it can not happen no matter what it is you may give it requires trust for sure.

As for generous or giving that is subjective really the act of giving is a generous one by virtue. The widows mite was a generous act, So was Christ destruction of the temple in its own way an act of giving.

So I can not separate generosity from the act of giving weather it be the act of supporting emotionally or physically. x

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4woody in reply toHarleyquin1

I understand not separating generosity and giving. Trust seems like something that grows over time. I have given to strangers. I didn’t need to trust them to do so.

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Harleyquin1 in reply to4woody

I think you need trust even to give to a stranger even if it the trust in your own judgement there has to be a degree of trust, is it the right thing to do trust enables the action x

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4woody in reply toHarleyquin1

just saying that has not been my experience...

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Harleyquin1 in reply to4woody

If you make a donation to what ever do you not question weather its the right thing to do for me that is when you place your trust in yourself x

I just read earlier post of yours that liked allot about Google guy

it put me in mind of well check it out uncanny I thought x

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4woody in reply toHarleyquin1

Full in spirit to me,

At rest, a sense that I will be able to walk through the hardness of life. A sense that my life and my happiness are not dependent on my circumstances. Knowing I will be able get back up when i’ve failed.

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Harleyquin1 in reply to4woody

I would like to add to that that i may have helped others in some way. x

Depends in the context of the word

In Spirit can mean passed over

Generous in Spirit is in the persons outlook towards others, has a kind sole.

BOB

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I can except the first line "In Spirit can mean passed over"

Can one be generous in spirit without having trust in some form

Harley x

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SushiSavesMe

I think verbiage is related to societal expectations and norms based on time period and community groups.

Try rewording the phrase: to be fulfilled as a person and generous to others, trust is important.

If you generally mistrust everyone and everything, it's hard to be at peace (I speak from experience). You cannot contribute to relationships effectively or provide complete assistance if you're always expecting the worst and hold back.

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4woody in reply toSushiSavesMe

I appreciate you’re input. It seems your rewording takes the conversation in a different direction. I guess I see trust as a scale, lots of room between mistrust and trust. Do you see any space between trust and expecting the worst? I agree that mistrust and peace do not live together in any healthy happy human interaction. Can I be generous to a strange for whom I have no personal feelings or with whom I have never had a relationship? Perhaps I am wrong in thinking I do not need to feel someone is trustworthy to be generous toward them. Maybe I just trust the stranger until I am given a reason not to.

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utep99

Being a Christian I would say no. You cannot be fully in Spirit as you are not yet perfected in Heaven. This does not happen until you reach Heaven and become perfected.

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4woody

It helps to know that you are applying a particular Christian doctrine to your definition of in spirit. You used a slightly different term ‘full’ and capitalized the word Spirit. That says a lot. Is there a human spirit?

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Kiddle

Trust but verify!

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