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Magnesium taurate

I had an appointment with my EP today and asked him his opinion on magnesium taurate.

He said that he and his wife had been discussing it lately (she must be in the business as well)

He has patients who take and report benefits and some who stopped it due to stomach problems. He said that there have been no trials to prove its benefits but some should start soon but it will probably take twenty years to reach a definite conclusion. No harm in trying it to see if I find it beneficial. As to which brand or type to buy there are so many.

Without remembering Sanjay’s points about PPI’s and poor sleep patterns in his Magnesium video I had mentioned them earlier in the consultation but they did not come up again in the magnesium discussion.

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What did he say about bad sleep patterns. I have had awful sleep patterns since heart surgery. I assume it is one of the medications. I asked my specialist and he told me to go to bed later!

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He didn't apart from asking if I had sleep apnoea. It was one of several questions I was asking with AF connections as a many AF patients complain about poor sleep.

I don't usually have a problem getting to sleep but staying asleep is the problem. For no reason I always waken after two or three hours and don't properly sleep again although I can lay there fairly relaxed. I have always gone to bed 'later' Perhaps that is part of the problem.

I had great difficulty in sleeping at all after my heart valve replacement as I cannot sleep on my back. My GP suggested Nytol. With that I woke up every hour.

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If you are on warfarin be careful with nytol; I know someone who took both and had an adverse reaction. She was later advised that nytol can increase the effectiveness of warfarin.

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Hi Seasider, a couple of points 1) the magnesium compound I take am & pm has Taurine in it and due to my similar sleep pattern to you I have scaled down the pm dose to test whether it is the Taurine that is breaking my sleep - no conclusion yet. 2) Much more exciting for me and possibly you/others is what I think is the issue causing the poor sleep pattern UARS - upper airway resistance syndrome. I only came across this yesterday and so need to do more homework (Googling to do) but it could be the problem sleepassociation.org/upper-...

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I have not heard of upper airway resistance syndrome before and will look it up. When I waken up my airways are very dry and I tended to put that down to a side effect of the PPI I take. If I try to get back to sleep I feel that I'm not breathing instinctively and lay there having to make an effort to breath although my airways are clear. It is well into the day before the dryness goes. Water during the night doesn't help nor a menthol sweet and sometimes I heat some milk and have it with a biscuit. My GP gave me a prescription for an artificial saliva spray that did not help either.

Recently after having a sore throat off and on for a couple of weeks and gargling with salty water it was no better. My GP last week diagnosed it as pharyngitis and prescribed Difflam Spray. For a few days it seemed to relieve the pain of pharyngitis before it suddenly caused severe burning pain on the back of my throat and on my inner cheek, inner lip and gums. Looking at my throat I had two wide red streaks where the spray had mostly gone plus other red patches. The pharmacist said that the Difflam must have thinned the skin. After 72 hours it is no better and I feel a rawness in my chest. Were it not for also being on my gums and inner lip where it must have spread on to I would have thought from the look of my throat that I had a severe infection. The pharmacist then sold me a bottle of Corsodyl that I am dubious about using.

I Googled reviews on Difflam and most who posted had problems with it including one woman who said that her spray had leaked in her hand bag and destroyed the interior!

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Wow, so sorry to hear about those problems. If it were me, I would pay privately to see an experienced Alternative Practitioner to get to the bottom of that dryness. I am afraid GPs not even the best (I have an amazing one) are fit for purpose when it comes to more unusual issues that take time to identify. They will raise their eyebrows if you tell them who you plan to consult but I make it clear they, APs and me are all part of the team. In the meantime, keep trying different things as poor sleep leads to all sorts of other problems apart from frequently wiping out your day - I find an extra pillow and Breatheright nasal strips a big improvement but I have more to do to get an undisturbed nights sleep - so its back to researching UARS. Good Luck.

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Actually my GP has a very open mind and is in favour of alternative practitioners. He has certainly tried acupuncture with success and was interested in my experiences with a homeopath. He also was not against it when I suggested a hypnotherapist for a problem my wife had.

My previous GP was also very open minded so much so that he gave up being a GP and did a two year course on autogenic therapy and now treats patients from his home and at his old practice.

Actually at that practice one of the GP's was also a homeopath.

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Lesson: As soon as you generalise you are proved wrong. Your practice sounds great.

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The practice is not that great and in an antiquated building but the doctor is exceptional. I hope he does not decide to give up from the stresses of the NHS as my previous one did. I felt that the therapy was a much for himself as for future patients. That practice was fifteen years ahead of its time with a banner in the foyer to the effect that it was a Gender Friendly practice.

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I no longer need Warfarin since having the Amplatzer amulet to close my left atrial appendage.

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I've tried all sorts over the years and finally manage to get some reasonable sleep most nights. I have a dark, cool (some would say cold) bedroom. I use breathe strips to keep the nasal passages open and go to sleep to white noise from an Alexa device - the sound of heavy rain - or BBC 24 hour news channel which has much the same effect! If I wake during the night I switch on the white noise again and use a Bach Flower Remedies Rescue Night Spray.

If I really struggle to return to the Land of Nod I get out of bed and have some carbohydrate - usually a bowl of shredded wheat with a little sugar. Seems to work for me.

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I used to set the radio to go off in an hour when listening to LBC or the much missed Melody FM but now that would keep me awake even more. I've had to cut out my late night food due to my hiatal hernia/reflux.

I will try the nasal strips. On the coast we get the natural sound of rain but usually wind and squawking sea gulls to go with it.

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I have had Paroxsysmal AF for over seven years. Most often self limiting. I have had beta blockers, calcium channel blockers, sotolol, Inderal and none of them controlled the episodes. I had an ablation three years ago, and the episodes were reduced, sometimes three or five months between them.

SInce the ablation, I have taken 50mg Metoprolol twice a day, and since I turned 75 take Apixaban. I have 50mg Flecainide which I take only if I have an episode of AF.

My GP suggested that I take some Magnesium to help with occasional leg cramps. I bought Mag. Taurate x 180 Caps Cardiovascular Research from I Herb (USA) and since starting these in August '17, I have not had AF! I also made a decision to drink more water.... Early days, but I am happy to buy Mag, Taurate

I checked with my electrophysiologist/Cardiologist who was OK with this. I am now 77, symptom free and recently spent four weeks on a walking holiday, some at high altitudes and had no problems.

If your adviser doesn't have any objections it's worth trying.....

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