Well, over the past couple of weeks my life has turned around for the positive and I cannot believe it!!!! I am so happy, but don't want to get too excited until more time has passed. After literally starting to plan my demise (that's right...having up to 13,000 + PVC's and hundreds of PAC's and not being able to take Beta Blockers...being given Calcium Channel Blockers and Digoxin which I was TERRIFIED to take because the Beta Blockers made me want to off myself even sooner...I did LOTS of research on natural remedies for these ghastly things that had me crying most of the day, depressed, not wanting to leave the house, unable to work....HORRIBLE!!! At first I tried a few things...kept getting the palps...then I tried a few more things...palps started going down...then I removed a few things (things meaning supplements, by the way...) then I change the dosages...all based upon what the research I read and the way I felt. READ THIS: I DID NOT BELIEVE ANY OF THIS WAS GOING TO HELP ME OUT BUT I FELT I HAD NO CHOICE OTHER THAN TO TRY! Okay, so I went from 13,000 PVC's and hundreds of PAC's to ZERO yesterday and today!! WTF??? I am still skeptical. This is what I am taking. Now keep in mind, none of the below independently or in any other combination got me down to ZERO. So, I am now paranoid about sticking to this regimen at the exact times of the day/night. I will still see my doc's and cardiologist and get the tests done and still move towards ablation as was suggested that I have done, but that won't be for a year or so until I see that specialist. So in the meantime, I will continue with this supplementation schedule and see what happens over time. I will also give all the supplements a rest of a couple of days every 5 months, as was suggested as well in case what I'm doing doesn't keep helping - but I am panicking thinking about stopping even for a day!! LOL! Oh, by the way, I started getting heart issues in my mid 20's and I am 61. Over the past couple of years, I have been in Emergency a number of times and lived my life for the past couple of years with my fingers on my pulse, thinking I was going to die virtually every minute of the day. That's why I didn't want to live any longer. Okay, here is what I do daily:
1) I journal every thing I eat, drink and take and the times of the day, for reference. I drink lots of water all day long. I also juice vegetables (all organic) every day or 2nd day including: Kale, spinach, turmeric, ginger, apples, carrots, celery, red cabbage.
2) (around 10:30 or 11:00 by the time I get to this) Big glass of water upon rising. 1/2 banana (or breakfast) with 1,000 mg Taurine; 500 mg L-Arginine; 100 mg CoQ-10; 100 mg PROMg12; 1/4 Tsp. D-Ribose; V8 low sodium (small can).
3) Lunch. 500 mg Vit C; 100 mcg Selenium; 1,000 mg Omega EFA (180 AEP/120 ADH; 100 mg B6; 2,500 mcg B12 Sublingual.
4) Around 3:00 pm (supplements spread out about 4-5 hours between doses). Same doses as above. 1/2 banana (or small bite of food), V8, L-Arginine, Taurine.
6) Around 7 pm. Small bite of food. V8, L-Arginine, CoQ10, Taurine, PROMg12.
7) Before bed (around 11 pm or midnight). Small bite of food. V8, L-Arginine, Taurine.
Now, I still expect to get some of the heart palps, but I was told even with meds, I would still get them. However, even having ONE DAY without them was a miracle after years of having them ALL DAY/NIGHT LONG!!! I am going to get L-Carnitine too (a newer form of Propionyl-L-Carnitine (PLC) targets heart tissue specifically so I will only use this formula) and add this in too.
Okay, that's it. Either I take Rx the rest of my life or supplements and I prefer all the above UNLESS this somehow fails to work then I will revisit pharma.
Best,
Cathrine
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Not only me...thousands and thousands of people....Just read Dr. Rath's study and it was INCREDIBLE!! Unless the heart has the bio nutrients to work properly, it can't....it's all about nutrition. Meds just mask the symptoms. I'm a believer...yes, it is working for me and I hope that I can help someone else too. X0
Makes sense - I have done similar and just had a nutrionist GI report to fine tune supplement regime. I think everyone needs an individual regime - hence food diary/elimination - and and you need to work with your doctor for bloods etc - I have blood draws every 4 weeks the list of tests keeps growing - I take COQ10 or Ubiquinol, B Complex, Vit D (as I have autoimmune diseases on top), 3 specific supplements from results of my GI test, Vit C, Fish Oils & Kefir - water.
I was also advised to eat more resistant starches - cold rice or pasta, cashew nuts, Brazil nuts, avocados, lentils and eggs. I need to increase my protein and fat content.
Because I started having episodes of tachycardia recently I have also cut out the coffee again, sadly, as I was really enjoying the occasional cup but it immediately triggers my tachycardia which then flips into AF so that has gone.
Okay, good to know it's just not me that is getting relief! Sounds like you have great help and I will be looking for someone to help me with nutrition too in Vancouver, BC. Today I had a couple of SMALL missed beats, but it's almost 6 pm so I'm doing another happy dance...LOL!! I just got B2 and Vit A to start tonight too. Keep in touch! >CAT< X0
It's so pleasing to hear that you are doing so well on your new regime. Please make sure you keep reporting back on this site to tell us how you progress. Let's hope there is a cure for AF. Many thanks for posting.
Hippocrates said " let your food be your medicine and your medicine be your food "
This was where the doctors got the Hippocratic oath from
Sadly today its no longer used instead chemicals drugs that sometimes cause more harm than good
Well done to you for thinking outside the box and using your own intellect
I have done exactly the same thing
" you are what you eat"
I am so strict with food i cant tell you
all the vitamins above i take for a year now As well
I add to it fresh ginger root and the most powerful antioxidant curcuma juice with apples beetroot everyday i take water and herbal teas stopped all the bad stuff over a yesr ago I am not on warfarin so it's okay
I also concentrated on my gut because alot of research seems to point to gut vagus nerve for palps and PAF
So i take various vitamins to reduce inflammation in gut which intend to have ....bloating rumbles heart burn all that stuff
I do believe that inflammation is what starts Afib thats why when people i suspect have ablations done get major palps until it settlesdown ,,
So body must need antioxidants to heal from foods thats how i think
I do believe that food cures many of our problems but society seems to have been brain washed into forgetting about what we eat and just take drugs to get rid of the symptoms instead of looking to whats causing the problem
Why on earth do u still need an ablation if you are improving look at the side effects which could be damaging
I can understand people going down that route if everything else has been tried but to no avail 😳
But u only have PVC PAV is it really worth the gamble if you are on the mend
I dont think you will get too much of a positive resonse on this site cause most are stuck in the very orthodox view of chemicals drugs even though the side effect are worse than the disease itself but thats there choice i suppose
I am impressed with you and its refreshing to hear poeple thinking for themselves
Remember doctors in england have 0 knowlege of nutrition so they will never discuss or understand nutrition they will always look at masking the sypmtons and not finding out what the hell is going on with the body when it has a problem
Hi and thank you for the reply! The ablation takes a couple of years and since I wasn't sure if my new plan would work, I didn't want to cancel traditional medicine/procedures in case all my supplements didn't work...so I would still have a back up plan. I went to sleep early last night and so I missed my last supplement and am I sorry that happened!!! I woke up at 5 am with all of the palpitations back again!!! I learned that it will take a year or longer to top all my deficient minerals/vitamins and until then, I need to take everything on schedule without any misses!! I took the supplements at 6:00 am and an hour later, I am fine....all palps stopped!! WTF?? no one can tell me that what I'm taking isn't helping and remarkable!! I posted some of the studies I read over the past few weeks to help make my healing plan (Below). All the information is on the internet, you just have to know how to find it! Since I no longer believe I am dying every minute of the day, I started walking my dogs for 1/2 an hour a day; biking an hour a day and am getting reading for hip replacement surgery so now I can focus on strength and getting in better shape for that. I already had one knee replaced....getting old is tough sometimes and the LAST think I need is heart issues! I've learned a lot about adrenals and stress and how your heart/health pays the price....anyway, I'm rambling...good to meet you....oh, and you are so right about the gut!! I have issues with my stomach and that is the next thing I will tackle NATURALLY, once I get my heart issues totally sorted out. >CAT< X0
Well done for being brave and going your own way with all the supplements, diet and natural support for your body. I really hope it works for you.
I take herbs now(not Chinese) to help keep ❤️, thyroid and blood pressure stable, (and anxiety caused by years of PAF .) Have had a , so far, successful cryoablation 14months ago and off all meds and want it to stay that way too so here's hoping nutrition and natural remedies and supplement support can help everything maintain its balance. I have to say however, that I could not have done this without the fantastic skill and knowledge of my EP and team who gave me an amazing start to my AF free life! Stay open minded and remember conventional, and natural medicine can, and I believe should, work together.
I take CQ10, vitamin D, magnesium, probiotic for gut problems, beetroot capsules for blood pressure, and a multivitamin every day. cholesterol a bit high so am looking at plant sterols don't fancy taken statins.
As I have written elsewhere on this site - I had ectopics coming out of my ears for years! 20,000+ a day, every day. Life was miserable. I was scheduled for an ablation but didn't have it done.
I saw my EP last month and he has written to my GP (I have a copy of his letter) to say that he has now discharged me.
My ectopics (24hr monitor) were now down to 400 a day!
Back story here:- I took Tramadol for two years because of arthritic and sciatic pain. This caused ectopics. High level of ectopics caused grade four heart failure. (There is no grade 5!)
I was expecting to fall off my perch at any time and so I "put my affairs in order".
I took nebivolol, ramipril, and a diuretic and this got things a bit more settled but the constant ectopics make life a bit of a misery - especially the "big bumps" that wake you up a few time a night.
I heard about nascent iodine here on this site (Heartfelt Thanks to whoever it was that posted that link.) I researched it and then started taking it daily. Once I'd been doing this for a week and got the dose up to two drops twice a day my ectopics stopped! (Alivecor device used every night to check.)
After two months the ectopics were still not showing on my Alivecor so I began to wonder if the heart failure would be reversed if the ectopics that caused it had stopped. I'm indebted to the poster who put a link on here to a video done by Dr Gupta at York that said quite clearly that the heart would heal itself if the ectopics were stopped - which is why an ablation was considered to be of use.
I went for my yearly check-up with my EP last month and had a 24 monitor and an echo just before seeing him.
My ectopics are now just about normal and my HF has been assessed as grade 2.
His letter to my GP says that he will only need to see me again if anything happens to warrant it.
When I saw my EP and told him about the iodine he just smiled - but he did add that whatever I was doing - if it worked for me then keep doing it.
I'm currently taking 3 drops twice a day. A 600 drop bottle cost about £30. Best bargain I've ever had - I've got my life back and can do things now that I wouldn't have been able to do six months ago. Not only that - and this is just as relevant as the reduction in ectopics- I now WANT to do things whereas before I would not have the get up and go to even consider it and would avoid making any firm plans.
I told the EP that I appreciated what he and his team had done for me to put me in the position where I could consider other options, and I said that I acknowledged that my sudden and dramatic improvement could simply be the result of all the things that he and his team had put in place for me coming together at that time.
I wonder... if I stop taking the iodine will I get the ectopics back? I'm not going to chance it!
If you decide that iodine might help you then PLEASE make sure that you do as much research as you can as, from what I've read, there are some medicines that it would effect so it would be contra-indicated.
Hi George: YES, I TAKE THAT TOO!!! LOL! 3 drops a day and I give it a break every couple of weeks for a few days off...as I heard we should be doing with all supplements so that they continue to work better and continuously. I will do a 6 month break off all supplements for a week too. Is your Iodine called 'Survival Shield?' That's the brand of Iodine I started taking. >CAT< X0
I just read that you took Tramadol and I took it too for 2 days but my palpitations were off the chart so I stopped taking it! WOW...interesting this both happened to us. And, I cut back on the iodine to one dose every week and I am doing great because of the other supplements I take, so not sure the iodine was key for me, but I will still take it occasionally.
Here are a couple of the MANY, MANY, research studies I found over the past few weeks that helped me to design my own supplement plan that eliminated/drastically reduced my daily PVC's/PAV's (I was having 13,000 PVC's/hundreds of PAC's daily for years!!):
Interesting how the article recommends using ionized salt (for iodine) but here in Canada, the salt contains: salt and sugar..YUP!! SUGAR!! WTF??? Check what the salt box says. Now I only use Himalayan Pink Salt.
Obviously it's great not to have PVCs, but I suspect you can reduce the supplements considerably and still have the same effect so trying cutting them out one by one. My guess is it's the water and tumeric having the most effect ... but everybody is different.
Which ones do you think I can take less of? I juice a piece of tumeric that's how I take that one. But I always drank a lot of water. I missed the supplements before bed at at 5 am this morning WHAM! all right back again. Took the supplements at 6:30 and won't miss a dose again ever.
Yes, please do that!!! I missed last nights dose and woke up at 4:30 am with HORRIBLE palpitations....lasted a few hours until I took my supplements. 2 hours later, nothing! They stopped!!! I also juiced today. I will NEVER forget to take these supplements ever again!!! Morning, mid afternoon, early evening and just before bed. PERIOD! Let me/us know what you find out on your own, okay? X0X0
Glad to hear your palpitations stopped. Your regime seems to work well for you and I do think there is a lot of mileage in what you say. I guess the key is in working out what supplements to take and when.
HI Cathrine you are about the only person I have heard with the same problems as myself I have had 2 ablations this year for ectopics have literally thousands every day! ablation is in its early days but still having ectopics my EP has now informed me he did some damage to right side of heart so had to stop the procedure he said I could go for a 3rd ablation but risk more damage, I am very interested in your regime what about your diet im trying to follow the Fodmap diet but extremely difficult do u follow any kind of diet? Nothing seems to help my eptopics it is relentless like you 24/7. My lifestyle is severely limited with this condition. Glad someone has found an alternative to prescribed medicine that works for them.
Goodness...I just typed about half an hour reply and somehow deleted it!! Geesh...here I go typing all over again...LOL!!!...
I cannot believe your doctor did damage during your ablations...is that typical?? Did he have specialized training and if so, what type? I am pretty shocked to hear this....
I try to eat very low carbs and high protein. I am about 20 lbs overweight and so I have to start being more diligent about cutting carbs (less than 100grams a day) again. I like being in ketosis as the weight flies off, but with this heart issue I have been busy trying to stay alive, not worry about the extra pounds. Now I can exercise though and focus on losing weight, since the heart issue is finally under control and hopefully will get better or stay the way it is!!
After weeks of trial and error with supplements, I found the BEST/MOST HELPFUL ONES TO USE ARE: L-Arginine, Propionyl L-Carnitine (this one specifically targets the heart!) and Taurine. TO THOSE OF YOU WHO SAY YOU ARE ON A LIMITED BUDGET TRY THESE COUPLE OF AMINO ACIDS, IF YOU CAN!! OR JUST THE L-ARGININE AND TAURINE AND THESE TWO SHOULD HELP WITH PVC'S AND PAC'S!!
This is what I take daily in addition to V9 low sodium (for potassium) and juicing as per my post earlier...every other day.
B12 2,500 mcg sublingual; B6; B2; Vit C 500 mg; Selenium 100 mcg; Omega Fatty Acids 1,000 mg (180 EPA/120 DHA).
BEFORE DINNER
L-Arginine; Taurine 500 mg (only am dose is 1,000 mg); Mg; L-Carnitine; CoQ.
WITH DINNER
Omega; ; Vit A 10,000 IU; Vit E 400 IU; Evening Primrose (for female hormone help)...
BEDTIME
L-Arginine; Taurine 500 mg; Mg; L-Carnitine; CoQ.
In my juicing I add tumeric and ginger as well, just to note.
I really, really hope this helps even one other person and I know how HORRIBLE AND DEBILITATING Palpitations and skipped beats can be. WEEKS AGO, I DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE ANY MORE!! OH, MY GOD I WOULD HAVE MADE A BIG MISTAKE!!!
And again...I am having a stress test done in 2 weeks, have a cardiologist (but I didn't take the beta blocker or digoxin he prescribed and no longer need to anyway!!....) and have a GP and I am taking what they say into account as well.
However, I believe nutrition and vitamin supplements saved my life.
Thankyou so much Cat for getting back im still housebound 7 weeks post ablation but will now go and try to source these supplements as I live in Ireland I may have to try the internet so glad I read your article I really had almost given up hope of any kind of a life just now! The supplements dont have any side effects as I am terrified of making these blasted ectopics worse? My EP said the dont work but I will try anything, best wishes from Ireland Ingrid
IRELAND!! Wow!! I have always wanted to visit Ireland!! I have been to London, but never made my way there. I had to order a few things from the United States because Canada didn't have all that I needed. DON'T GIVE UP!!! I would really like to know how the ablation works for you too, so please keep me posted, okay!! cathrine@cathrineann.com
Just to note, I am TERRIFIED to take any supplement or pill!! Just my nature. So I had a hard time finally taking them all too. I returned the Hawthorn Berry that I bought because I figured I was taking more than enough.....but now after what I read about it, I will probably go and buy it again. I think the juicing is REALLY important too. I also started taking 2 scoops of Tangy Tangerine and 1 capful of Minerals (liquid) by Youngevity mixed in a big bottle of water over the whole day/night (every 2nd day) too...I'm just trying to give my heart and body EVERYTHING it could possibly need to fix itself. I ate a BIG bowl of salty popcorn late last night (with salty butter on top!) and what a stupid thing that was!! I had palpitations all morning because I read that salt will always compete with potassium and some other things and affect palpitations...so, now I will watch my salt intake (which is high I think since I LOVE salt) but not more than I want to get better so bye bye excessive salt! Once I juiced and took the tangy/minerals and my supplements, 1/2 hour later, NO palpitations!! I'm still learning. Start slowly with what you take (I am happy to communicate with you to keep in touch!! ) and let me know how you make out, okay? If one other person gets some help, that will be good enough for me. I know we all have deficiencies in nutrition and biologically (especially when a person is over 40 or 50 things decline) and it's just a matter of finding out WHAT those are. I read that 80% of us are deficient in some nutrients and that's why these palpitations happen...and there 20% are truly genetic BUT can still be helped with proper/better nutrition. I am growing tomatoes and Kale and have really changed my lifestyle too and will continue to do so. If I have to try the calcium channel blocker at some point because what I'm doing isn't working, I will. If I have to have an ablation because what I'm doing isn't working, I will. I will take advantage of every possible thing I can to feel better. All I know is I feel 80% better with supplements and juicing...so what changed? Why reduce the palpitations so drastically after YEARS of having them? Only thing that changed is what I ingest and what I don't. Oh, I also have stomach issues and I'm off to buy some Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar because I read that 1 Tablespoon mixed in a big glass of water and then drinking, gets rid of GERD and acid reflux...we shall see...hey, I might just turn out to be a naturopathic after all this crap gets sorted out, eh? LOL!!!! Okay, you take care and keep in touch!!!! >CAT< X0
Sadly, being on Social Security, I can not afford the over the counter vitamins. Wish I could because I'd give it a try. But I'm lucky to have a multi-vitamin a day.
YES, it is!! I still read all over that it's all in my head...LOL! Yeah, right. I was the BIGGEST nay-sayer of juicing and supplementation..the BIGGEST!! Now look at me...panicking when I miss my supplements or don't have all the veggies for my juicing...LOL!!! >CAT< X0
I have IBS and stomach issues and I do think that my palpitations are aggravated by my stomach. That is why I am going to try to tackle the stomach issues now that I have the heart calmed down a good deal. I try to make sure my blood sugar never drops and will eat a 1/2 a banana or a bit of protein to make sure that doesn't happen. But I believe there is a definite correlation with the gut and EVERYTHING else in our body including the heart! >CAT< X0
Thanks for your reply CatAnn I always believed that my gut had some relationship to my heart and have concentrated on my stomach for around 3half years now, most of those on this forum know that I have always treated my stomach first whenever I had an episode, for me this means a modified Fodmap diet, which has been a bonus. Throughout these experiments though, I have always arrived at the conclusion that Inflammation was a big problem too, and my Doctors and specialists know that I try to find out more. I have since had a cryoablation and am nearly off all my medications. My stomach has calmed down somewhat, but is still not 100% It seems strange that these two conditions came to the fore at almost the same time, I have come a long way with my food and exercise regime, and my focus will now be more on causes that effect the gut.
I've think I've heard it said that the gut is the real heart of our body...and if no one said it, then I'm saying it now... LOL! I absolutely believe that. Especially when the Vagus nerve can def cause palpitations by being too full or by eating the wrong foods (that don't agree with us individually).
Well done for finding something that helps you. As you know we are all individuals and our biochemical mechanisms are different due to what we consume and our environment. This means it may work for you but for someone else it may not.
This new regime has slowed down your racing heart which is amazing but I hope as time goes on it does not slow it too much. I'd be interested to hear your progress in a couple of months.
Hello. My heart rate did not slow down. It is the same. Yes, I went to med school and I am aware of our different biochemistries. However, the research conducted resulting in my drastic improvement, is based upon thousands of other people's success, which is why I decided to try supplementation. I was told by my docs that my condition would never completely get better. I am sure I have already achieved greater success over the past 5 weeks, than with the meds they gave me - and from the medication prognosis from my docs, long term. I first tried beta blockers and hated the way they made me feel and THAT drug slowed down my heart rate to 40 BPM! Horrible med for me! It's actually not a shocking concept to believe that our bodies can usually made what it needs, if we give it the right tools. I still do get the palpitations, but they are bearable, unlike the past few years. Thank you.
At worst, I have had a couple of missed beats a day but mostly, NONE at all!! I guess what I'm doing is working and I no longer question the supplements being the reason why I am now PVC/PVA free!! I stopped the supplements just to test if the palps would come back and they did! I will keep with the supplements 4 X a day and hope this brilliant yet simple solution continues. Just keeping you updated. Thank you!
I'm so glad to know that I'm not the only one feeling scared to death and overwhelmed, crying, etc. over these PVCs. I have no insurance right now but went to the walk-in clinic last week as these things have been going on for 2 weeks, affecting me at work. I wore a Holter monitor about 10 years ago and they were supposedly found to be "benign," same thing they told me this time, but now they go up to 20,000 for hours at a time. This is the worst series ever in my life. I have a stressful job so I thought maybe that was causing it. I quit everything - all alcohol, sugar, caffeine (coffee triggers them instantly), and started on a mineral supplement (drops in water) because I have been low in potassium in the past. It helped for periods of time, but then they come right back, especially when I'm sitting down working.
I just went to the Vitamin Cottage here and spoke with the guru there, and came home with the supplements you talked about - L-Carnitine, L-Arginine, a potassium/magnesium/Taurine ( I think) supplement, Vitamin D, etc. They havent' started since I've returned home, but I'm waiting to see what happens so I can try one thing at a time just to see what works. Oh, CoQ10 too.
The magnesium is helping me sleep and keeping them from coming at night. So my question is, are you taking Magnesium?? He said that is the number one thing that is needed for healthy muscle contraction, apparently, plus it has the benefit of keeping our bowels moving so that inflammation in the gut maybe doesn't happen.
I'm so glad I saw this site and thread, and spent $75 on supplements to try rather than who knows how much at the ER! I know that road is a dead end mostly, unless you want med side effects or an ablation at some point, which scares the crap out of me, I'll admit, almost more than the PVCs.
Hi there great to read your post I hope that something of what I posted will help you!! First of all, if it was as easy as just taking magnesium, no one would have palpitations. LOL my point is, no one can say where the palpitations are coming from. That’s why you have to try different things in different variations and different doses. Yes I take magnesium 250 mg a day but I didn’t start that until sometime after I took the other minerals. All I can say is try a low-dose of everything you have one at a time give it a couple days and see how you feel. I know that L arginine is key if there was going to be one thing that would help the most. Typically it’s a combination of different things. I still have cycles where I get a couple hundred a day for example last week and I took .5 mg of Ativan because I would get very anxious otherwise. I had a very high stress job as well and I quit but then it wasn’t until months later until my palpitations calm down and I don’t think it was from quitting a job I think it was from my vitamin and mineral supplementation combination. The palpitations could be coming from any deficiency but I know that if I eat a lot of sugar it does aggravate them. I also found that if I didn’t eat regularly that would affect my palpitations negatively as well. Start writing down when you get them how long they last and what you take to calm him down and record what works and what doesn’t. If you invest a couple months doing this it will be well worth it, I promise you!!! So after I took the .5 mg of Ativan I felt more relaxed didn’t pay attention to the palpitations went to bed and then everything was OK. It is such a horrible situation and I don’t think anyone understands it and less you’ve been through it. I honestly did not want to live and I’m so glad I didn’t give up. Keep trying different combinations perhaps multiple doses during the day and write down and figure out what works for you!!! I can’t believe I was about to have cardiac ablation!! Again, I’m not telling anyone to go against what their doctor says I’m just telling you what my personal experience was and what worked for me. Keep us posted on your progress!!! Cat xoxo
Hi there apart from the Covid terror, I’ve been doing great!! LOL heart issues still under control if I do get a couple here and there I just take an extra L Taurine early or mid afternoon seems to be the magic bullet. Merry Christmas happy new year and happy holidays!!
So glad to hear it’s still working for you ! On my 24 hour heart monitor I also had close to 13% pvc burden .. it was 12.8% I had a normal echocardiogram...and they wanted me to suppress them with a beta blocker. I’m 40 and I have never had to take any regular pharmaceuticals so I just didn’t feel comfortable with that .. I saw your post and got the taurine and L-Argininine and coq10 I take it 3 times a day I also take magnesium once a day and it helps sooo much.. I would say on most days they are reduced 90% or more.. if I have some anxiety or I eat unhealthy I get a bit more of them .. how many grams/ mg do you take of each a day may I ask?.. I literally feel you saved me with your post! Thank you! And Merry Christmas !
Omg well isn’t that just the best Christmas present I ever had. I am so happy to hear that!!! I take 2000 mg of NOW brand taurine and 500 (usual dose) to 1000 mg of L arginine natural factors Brand. Call Q 100 mg all of these daily. Please keep in touch and let me know how things progress for you. Cat xoxo
I was re reading your supplant regiment and I wanted to know if you take these split into doses? So you take 2000 mg of taurine..and 500 L-arginine.. all at once ? Or throughout the day.. I know these things help me but I’m trying to play with the dose and timing. I do 1000 taurine 3X a day and 500 l arginine 3 times a day.. sometimes I take a extra taurine if I am feeling a bit more mid day. I can’t get my dosing down
Did you ever figure out a supplement routine of mag,taurine,Arganine and carnitine? I had 21 percent pvcs and heart rate is to slow to use beta blockers. Any suggestions?
Yes is did… but I will say everyone is different and you may need more or even less than I take so play around with them a little and be patient .. Ass soon as I wake up I take
2000 mg of taurine
500 mg of L-arginine
200 mg magnesium glycinate
5-6 hours later I take
1000mg of taurine
200 mg magnesium glycinate
5-6 hours later (before I eat dinner if possible )
1000 mg of taurine
500 mg of L-arginine
200 mg magnesium glycinate
If I’m having a off day where I’m stressed out or having some drama in my life I will take a extra taurine and or some extra magnesium. Some people need upwards of 6-8 thousand mg of taurine go help some people need more magnesium. It just depends. I used to take 1000 mg of l-arginine with every dose but I reduced it and have been fine… let me know how it goes for you! I believe that for people with no known causes ( structurally normal hearts etc ) I think the pharmaceuticals just makes the problem
Thank you for your response. I will start pretty low to begin with. Already taking mag glycinate. I will start adding taurine and then add arginine. Have you tried just taking once or twice a day? I don't really feel my pvcs so I rely on my kardia mobile device. I was just having alot and skipped beats. I feel heavy beats when I am laying still but being busy I don't. Do you feel yours?
Are used to take them all four times a day down to three times a day now I just do some of them to time and now I’ve never tried one else a day .. CatAnn on here I think she takes them once and everyone’s different you might be completely fine with just once a day
I take this same amounts 5 or so hours later before I eat lunch
After lunch I drink my magnesium citrate drink it’s 300 mg and take a fish oil supplement
Then I take the above vitamins before bed minus the CoQ10 I only take that twice a day..
It seems like a lot but I have gotten used to it and to me it’s better than taking pharmaceuticals that usually only mask a problem.. if these vitamins are helping me obviously I was deficient in these things to a degree.. that’s how I look at it. I would rather fix a problem than just put a bandaid on it.
If that’s what you need to feel better than that’s perfect for you. I used to take all my supplements three times a day and now I have it down to once a day in the mornings on an empty stomach …with the odd time I need to take one more taurine if I get more palpitations.
5-6 hours later (before I eat dinner if possible )
1000 mg of taurine
500 mg of L-arginine
200 mg magnesium glycinate
If I’m having a off day where I’m stressed out or having some drama in my life I will take a extra taurine and or some extra magnesium. Some people need upwards of 6-8 thousand mg of taurine go help some people need more magnesium. It just depends. I used to take 1000 mg of l-arginine with every dose but I reduced it and have been fine… let me know how it goes for you! I believe that for people with no known causes ( structurally normal hearts etc ) I think the pharmaceuticals just makes the problem.
I took 500mg taurine in morning and 500mg lunch time. I took 500 l arginine. Just took kardia and said pvcs,so I just took 500mg taurine and 500 l argine. I mostly don't really feel the pvcs so I rely on the kardia. Not sure if I'm taking enough. Any thoughts?
I would try taking 1000 mg of taurine Rajendra you wake … also all of these work better on a empty stomach.. it can take a couple weeks to feel the full effects.. also while this works for soo many of us it may not work for everyone .. I take 2000 mg upon waking..
I just read through your posts. I have just started out I took 1000mg taurine 500mg arginine,200 mag this morning. Then mid day I took the same. I will take the same evening. Does tht sound like a good starting point? Do you think I should do that for a week and if kardia still shows pvcs then add more mgs of taurine? What kind of trial did you start ? Do you know howuch taurine is safe to take?
Yeah that sounds like a great place to start for a while …people take up to 10,000 mg a day in clinical trials they did up to 20,000 mg a day I personally wouldn’t take that much however
Hello CatAnn , after reading your post I got a little hope, I have PVC since I was 12 and I'm 32 now, I always accepted this because was not an everyday thing untill 6 months ago that I'm been having them all day long and all night, I have tried many different things but didn't work, I don't take any medication, I would like to know more about your experience and how you doing today, this is my number, y, I will appreciate if we can chat about it, only people who suffers this condition understand what it feel like , my life is been miserable..6472516229.. thank you and I hope I can hear from you.Lismery
I saw apologize I did not even see your message until now!! I’m sorry I’m unable to call you but I’m happy to message you here To see if I can help you out. Thank you
No need to apologize is all good, sorry that I asked you to contact me, I was desperate that day, feeling so much better now, I finally found what works for me . Stay safe ❣️ and thank you
Hi there I am glad you are feeling better!!! What did you do to help yourself in the situation? Did you take any supplements or what happened? I would really love to know. Thank you!
Hello there, so I figure out that my gut and my vagus nerve has lot to do with my PVC, so other than magnesium I tried a probiotic 30 min before my meal twice a day, I got it from Ambrosia, it really helps to reduce the gases in my digestive system and the PVC are been reduced before was all day all night , also tried some vagus nerve exercises, i take Ashwaganda to manage my anxiety.I still trying new things hoping I can reduce them even more but so far I'm happy I don't get them as much as before. This is the probiotic that works for me .
Yes I will get them anytime. but now I don’t get any very often at all At one point before I tried all the supplements I had to stop going to the gym because the palpitations got so bad much worse when I exercised.
Hello CatAnn, I just read your post and I am a 28 Y/O male with frequent pvcs very active and fit. I just bought your supplements that you have tried I am very anxiety ridden.. these PVCs are ruining my life making me depressed and anxious... since 4 years ago you have been on the same regimen? and the burden is still mostly gone?
Hi there. Thank you for reaching out. I know exactly what you’re going through and I know it is hell. Yes I have been on the same regimen for all this time and thankfully everything has still been OK. I still get a couple of days here and there where I have some palpitations but then I just take an extra Taurine because I have found that Taurine and has been really magical for me. So what dose of everything are you taking daily and how long have you been taking it for? Let me know how you’re doing. Just want to be sure you tried potassium as well, did you?
I just bought the supplements today .. I’m not taking the propranolol they prescribed because it hasn’t worked .. I did not get the potassium because my potassium is about 4.9. I need this to pass I start work in the neuro ICU in a few weeks as an RN..
OK it’s good that you know your levels but just remember that laboratory levels do not always represent true blood levels I know you are an RN but that’s just the studying I’ve been doing even when my levels were normal I still took the supplements but you do what you need to do for you. I went to nature’s fare Health Food store and bought their products. I’m not so fussy on the magnesium but there is a special kind of magnesium Specifically for the heart I can look it up because I ran out and I have to buy it from the states it’s not available in Canada. Go figure. Are you in Canada? I buy a lot of NOW and AOR so I choose to go higher and than not in all my supplements. When did your palpitations start and how long have they been going on for?
This is not the magnesium I was talking about but I just found this: In the treatment of cardiac arrhythmias of varying genesis, an "observational study" in 1,160 patients showed that a high-dose oral magnesium preparation (Magnesium-Diasporal N 300 Granulat) was effective. In 82% of the patients observed, a dose of at least 300 mg magnesium/day produced good to very good results.
Also, I would not hit my body with everything at once I would take two or three of the supplements twice a day on an empty stomach when you get up and later on in the day and monitor the type of feedback you’re getting from your body. Keep in mind these supplements will not start working for at least a month your blood has to get really saturated with everything. And if you stress out about it you’re going to make the arrhythmias worse. Let me know how long it’s been going on and if you think you know how it might’ve started or anything that coincided at the same time it’s good to just go through that and think about those things I had a very very stressful job but even after I left the job the arrhythmias continued my doctor said it was stress and I thought maybe some of it could be attributed to stress but not 10,000+ arrhythmias a day!!! Let me know if you need some more guidance or feedback.
I’ve had PVCs on and off for 10 years but now past 2 weeks nothing but consistent ... how many mgs of mag do you take ? I started taking L arginine today and taurine . Tomorrow COQ10 and carnitine comes in. Taurine I took 3000 throughout the day And 1500 l arginine
How long until you noticed a difference with the taurine and carnitine ? I’m taking beta blocker as needed also right now .. I don’t want to take the beta blocker with them because it can lower BP too low ..
Yes I know you have to be careful with supplements and prescribe medication but I will leave that to you since you know much more than I do on that. Taurine was the most important for me in the long run. But it took a good 3 to 4 weeks for the supplements to kick in.
You really need to take notes every day how you are feeling so then you can adjust the supplements overtime that’s really important to do. It will go quickly because they will be reduced over that time as well. If they’re not getting better week to week try reducing or increasing one of the supplements you need to find what works for you. Best of luck let me know how it goes I totally get how you’re feeling hang in there!!!!
Good how are you ? Been struggling started taking my propranolol I have a resting heart rate when sleeping in the 40s which makes me a little nervous I am athletic.. stopped all supplements because nothing was working . Noticed if I took 200mg of mag in the evening I had more PVCs before bed . It’s just trial and error right now .
I started taurine 500mg today and no pvcs when checked on kardia. Tomorrow I will take twice a day. Then a few days I will add arginine. How do you know if you need more,like morning and night? Not sure how long they stay in your system. Thanks for all your posts!
If you’re getting good results with 500 mg don’t increase wait a week or two and see how it goes I take 1000 mg a day once a day in the morning on an empty stomach but that might be all you need is 500 mg of taurine. Don’t add or increase if you are having good results from one supplement! More isn’t necessarily better.
I just took my pulse and it was 16 beats then skip then 13 beats then skip then 3 beats and skip. Does this mean I am having pvcs? Since taking the 500 mg taurine I feel my heart isn't beating so heavy and my kardia hasn't shown any pvcs. I did notice my blood pressure was 96/63. Not sure if taking more taurine would cause blood pressure to be lower then normal? Your thoughts?
Well I am having pvcs with 2 times taking 500mg taurine. I took 200 mag glycinate. I bought l arginine so took 500 mg. I just took my kardia and said pvcs,so I took 500 mg taurine and 500 l arginine! I don't know if I should try the 500mg like 4 times a day or take 1000mg 3 times a day? I don't really feel the pvcs when active during the day.i really want the pvcs to stop! What are your thoughts?
Hi, I had a halter monitor and had 21 percent pvcs and normal echogram. They wanted me to try atenenol but my heart rate was in the 40s. I had been taking magnesium and coq10 but just recently read about taurine,arginine, carnitine. I got so worried with the pvc thumping I got myself in to a depression and lots of anxiety. So I am on Zoloft and buspar. Hoping to try the new supplements! Also I was wondering if they affect heart rate as I have a 64 resting. Thanks for your response
Hi there I certainly can understand what you’re going through. No these supplements do not affect heart rate at all my resting heart rate is 60 so I have to be careful with what I take as well. I know for myself if I take too much magnesium I get heart palpitations so I would suggest you cut everything out and then start introducing supplements back in one at a time to see what is helping and what is not. Most important is the taurine for heart palpitations. When I get an off day I just take another taurine and that takes care of my palpitations but everyone is different. For you it may be low potassium as well, so you need to consider that ….make sure you are well hydrated and drink a lot of water every day because that alone can cause palpitations or make them worse… let me know how you make out. By the way the doctor tried to get me on antidepressants as well but I felt too weird and past that option for myself, but if I didn’t get them under control I think I would’ve tried anything….keep in touch! Xo
So I do take magnesium but thought I needed at least 400mg. So that is what I take and seems to help somewhat. I take coq10 ubiquinol 100mg. So how much taurine do you think I should start with, and is powder or capsules the way to go? When should I add arginine and lcarnitine? Can you suggest a program for me,I am 63?
1000 mg of taurine NOW brand. Capsules. I would take one supplement added to the ones you already take every couple of days and see how the palpitations are. Because you don’t want to take more of one thing if you don’t have to and you can’t increase the dose if you’re taking multiple supplements and not getting great results you don’t know what you need to increase or decrease. I had to decrease magnesium.
I thought the 500mg was stopping the pvcs but they are back. I took 1000mg morning 1000mg mid day and I am still having pvcs. Any suggestions for me? Does the taurine build up over time or not?
Yes it takes a few weeks to get the full affect you’re still going to have them they’re never going to disappear fully you will just be able to manage them better. Make sure you are well hydrated I find when I don’t drink water I get more of them. Keep track of the progress on the taurine but I was taking 1000 mg first thing in the morning mid afternoon and late evening and I have cut down so you also want to build up slowly. But remember I was taking 3000 mg three times a day for a couple of years before I started reducing. I would take 500 mg three times a day and see how that goes for you over a week. If you’re still getting them increase to 1000 mg three times a day.
I have been taking 1000mg taurine 3 times a day for 5 days and still having pvcs on kardia. So today I took 1500mg morning 1500 mg mid day and my kardia said normal. I just took my last 1500mgs today. I didn't know if it is better to try 2000mg morn and 1000mg the other 2 times or start taking 1500mg 3 times a day. When I first started 500mg was stopping them,but they returned. I am trying to stop the frequency of them. Any thoughts and thanks so much for helping me.
I wouldn’t take any days off until you have been on it for a number of months then some people take a week off all supplements I tried that with and I had palpitations so I didn’t stop the supplements I have only given it a week here and there over the past few years. Depends on how many palpitations you’re getting it is better to give yourself a week break than to increase the dose if you have been taking them for very long.
I have been taking 1500mg taurine and 500mg arginine three times a day. About an hour after taking supplements kardia said normal. If I take kardia right before next does it or when I rise in the morning I have pvcs. So it is working some what. Should I go up to 2000mg 3 times a day?I usually take at 9am 3pm and 9pm. I guess I get concerned about taking too much taurine. I do think it is helping! Any suggestions?
You can’t harm yourself by taking too much of these supplements. Especially at the doses you’re taking. If you’re getting good results but you’d like to see if you can get better results make sure you wait about two weeks after increasing a dose before increasing again. I had a lot of palpitations yesterday and I took 3000 mg of taurine three times during the day when I normally take 1000 mg in the morning only. So you can always adjust more palpitations you can take a bit more less palpitations you can take a bit less. But that’s only after you understand what dose is optimum for you and works best. remember also I had 10 20,000 palpitations today and now on a bad day I have a couple hundred and that’s when I increase my taurine. Otherwise I just take my supplements once a day in the morning on an empty stomach. Write everything down that you take allow a little bit of time for the supplements to get in your system and work optimally before you increase but don’t be afraid to increase. You’re still on a very low-dose
I'm curious @CatAnn (and anyone else on this journey), where you are at in your PVC + supplements?
I started getting PVC's about 8 months ago, was only having maybe 2-5 a week then about 4 weeks ago I started having 5000-10000 per day. I've been down the medical test road, stress test, blood test, Holter monitor; all being told its not life threatening but never got any help beyond just that. So I started doing some research and have learned much in the last 2 weeks.
Here is what I've done that has almost completely eliminated my PVC's (which I could feel as I'm heart sensitive). My PVC's also affected my breathing and brought on major anxiety as I'm an anxiety suffer too.
1. Started a Magnesium supplement 2x a day, the 200 mg Magnesium capsule I take contains: (Magnesium L-threonate 70mg, Magnesium bisglycinate 70mg, Magnesium Taurate 60mg) the brand is called HERBACURE and I got it off amazon.ca. I take the first pill with food in the morning then the 2nd pill with food in the evening.
2. Taurine, 1000 mg. twice per day, 7am and 7pm with 8oz water (NOW Supplements on amazon.ca)
3. L-Arginine, 1000mg. once per day, usually around 10am or an hour before lunch (NOW Supplements on amazon.ca)
4. Omega-3 2000mg, twice per day, taken with the Taurine (Nature's Way NutraSea on amazon.ca)
5. PlantVital Probiotics 50 Billion Cfu 15 Baterica Strains. 1x per day in the morning before breakfast
6. Vitamin B Complex w Biotin, only taking half a pill 2-3x per week. Brand is PlantVital VITAMIN B-COMPLEX. It has all the B vitamins.
I also started doing daily full body stretching as I had read about others that had started introducing stretching and it made sense because apparently many, including myself, will feel a bit of bloating or tightness just below the ribcage that precedes the PVCs.
I am now, starting tomorrow August 12 2024, going to add-in D-Ribose at 7g per day and L-carnitine at 1000mg a day and CoQ10 200mg; reason being is this morning I started having PVC's again and I hadn't had more than 2 in the last 2 weeks but I did miss taking the L-Arginine the last few days and missed a recent dose of Taurine 2 days ago as well.
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Sounds like you have great help and I will be looking for someone to help me with nutrition too in Vancouver, BC. Today I had a couple of SMALL missed beats, but it's almost 6 pm so I'm doing another happy dance...LOL!! I just got B2 and Vit A to start tonight too. Keep in touch! >CAT< X0
have paroxysmal A fib but have it for 3 full days now and it’s not going back into NSR I was given flecainide to take but it’s not helping
Magnesium and Warfarin 
Feeling much better with Magnesium Citrate and an Anti-depressant. 
Was this afib? Or something else?
