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Declining psa #9

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Gm folks, hope all are having a wonderful New Year. I’m following up n giving results on using ivermectin, cbd oil, turmeric Vit b3,6,12 Vit c And zinc solely after eliminating ADT after 7 months, post Rp n rad…

Psa dropped another .29 points to .66 down from .95 n psa was hovering 7 when I first got off the adt initially. I’ve had 9 consecutive drops in the last year in psa after starting this protocol (basically Joe Tippens). My wbc are a little low 3.8 and testosterone dropped to 385 down from 485, possible mild side effects of IVM so I added the B3,6 n 12 n will probably have to eat a little more red meat 🥩. I’m also contemplating taking testosterone to get my levels up to what they were when initially got off ADT. I’m not saying this regiment is for everyone but is def worth reading up on especially if one can no longer tolerate ADT.

Good luck to everyone fighting this dreaded disease 🦠 n whichever route one chooses, God bless you…😁😇😇👩‍❤️‍👨

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MC130J profile image
MC130J

Great news!!

I stopped ADT after 4 months (September 25 2023) because it spiked my lever enzymes 10 X normal numbers. Continued on IVM plus supplements with guidance from a functional medicine NP . PSA was 1.98 after IMRT, ADT + IVM , Elected not to restart ADT. PSA now is stable at .16

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Nfler in reply toMC130J

Wow that’s just absolutely wonderful news. Congrats n keep up the good work, I hope others can take heed n benefit from these extraordinary results…😁

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NecessarilySo

I came across this recently. It warns that antioxidants like VitC &B12 may assist spread of metastases, (in mice).

cancer.gov/news-events/canc...

Also this:

medicalxpress.com/news/2023...

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Nfler in reply toNecessarilySo

Yes I’ve read up on that but had to get the wbc up and since psa keeps declining while off adt, I assume there’s no metastasis going on and hopefully it’s not pertaining to my case. I am having a psma scan next month n hopefully it will confirm as much.

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MrG68 in reply toNecessarilySo

Yeah, but you know what the problem with the statement: 'antioxidants like VitC &B12 may assist spread of metastases, (in mice)' is, don't you? Ignoring the mice aspect, it's the 'may' word. I could equally rewrite that as 'antioxidants like VitC &B12 may not assist spread of metastases, (in mice)'

This is the issue with reductionism. The human body is EXTREMELY complicated. You're going to read that study and tomorrow read another with the polar opposite.

There's also the argument that most antioxidants will do that as well.

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meteghan

How much IVM do you take and how often? Thank you.

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Nfler in reply tometeghan

Initially took 18 mg, 4 days a week, then cut it down to 12 mg 4 days week after 4️⃣ months and now I’m down to 2 days a week at 12 mg starting month 8…

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Milesdude in reply toNfler

what is MOA of ivermectin with prostate cancer?

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Nfler in reply toMilesdude

moa

Here’s the moa
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Nfler in reply toMilesdude

these are 2️⃣ articles to look up

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meteghan

May I ask how much you weigh? I read somewhere that the dosage is determined by your bodyweight. Thank you again.

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Nfler in reply tometeghan

Yes that’s true, I’m 219 which is 100 kg and the recommended dose is .4 mg/kg of body weight to kill tumors, Which in my case would be 40 mg but since I had a lot of trx already done the doses I stated earlier have been very effective and when I felt it to be a little strong I reduced it accordingly… hope this helps…

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Nfler in reply tometeghan

analysis of ivm pathway

Analysis
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Nfler in reply tometeghan

here’s an article that shows what doses worked for the poor that couldn’t afford soc and great results using the ivm in most cases better. You can skim thru the middle n just scroll to effective dosing when you find the article

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MrG68

Very interesting.

I'm wondering, if you increase your meat consumption, it may actually increase your T levels. Or maybe it could affect things in a different way.

Personally, I'd prefer to increase your T without actually taking some, which could also lead to issues down the line. But the truth is no one really knows. It's more of a black art than a science situation IMO.

I was at the craps table in Vegas one time, and this guy was on a great winning streak. Place was going crazy. The table had chips on there that resembled small buildings. Someone said 'Nobody do anything. No one leave the table. No body fart. Nothing! AND make sure you get the same dice!!'

While the superstion is quite funny to me, it does have an underlying message. If you're doing something, and it's working, don't change it.

To use a craps analogy, I'd be pressing my bet.

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Nfler in reply toMrG68

No one do anything not even fart…😂

Funny thing about it, no pun intended but years ago I was rolling the dice and I went 19 throws in a row before crapping out. I was only betting $10-15 each throw and all off a sudden people were putting up thousands on my roll and one guy walked away w over $100 k by the time I was done. he actually tipped me $100 chip (black) but I could’ve killed it had I known. So like you say one just never knows but can only use an educated guess…😁

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Nfler in reply toMrG68

Yes I’m going to try the natural way first but having mixed results, some days feel good w higher level t and other days low level t symptoms as my last reading showed and I associate it w the ivermectin, though not bad but def feel better when t is in the 500 range…

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Ashski

I am curious about the Joe Tippens reference. Never heard of him. Googling brings up his cancer treatment protocol using Fenbendazole. Nothing I could see about Ivermectin?

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Nfler in reply toAshski

Sorry for the late response but yes fenben and ivermectin are both anti viral, anti parasitic drugs and now the govt’s pub med have articles encouraging the repurposing of ivermectin as an anti cancer drug. He uses fenben cbd oil n turmeric with astonishing results thus far, 7 years running after he was given 3 weeks to live by his doctors. I chose to go w ivermectin cbd oil n turmeric predominantly because of the pub med article and am also having astounding results after getting of ADT to my MO’s amazement n support. Here’s a shot of one of the many articles that I found n used. Good luck n let me know if I can be of any other assistance

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Ashski

Thanks, I get the Tippens reference now.

Just got to get my hands on the Ivermectin, tried to import a small package of it to Australia but authorities confiscated it at the customs border centre. Sent me a threatening letter. 🙄

I'm on active surveillance (PSA2.8 Gleeson 6) and sent my urologist an email with links to studies and to your forum post. I suggested I make an appointment to see him to discuss using the Ivermectin protocol. That was a 10 weeks ago. No reply.

I see the doc in June for a catch up appointment. Then possibly another MRI as part of the active surveillance. PSA has been stable at around 3.0 for 5yrs. I've had one initial MRI & two biopsies in those 5yrs.

I just think there is nothing whatsoever to lose in trying the Ivermectin protocol. Solid research publications says it can be effective & then your posts gives a first hand example.

The urologists/oncologists/surgeons & of course big pharma certainly have something to lose if a cheap drug was to be proven to be very beneficial.

Perhaps I can find myself a local GP who'll write a script in the meantime.

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Nfler in reply toAshski

You hit it on the nose 💯 %. Yes I heard Australia was ridiculous. You usually can get both fenben n ivermectin at a cattle feed store over the counter, you’ll have to convert the animal dose over to human. The ideal amount is .4 mg/ kg of body weight to kill tumors, if your doing maintenance like I am it’s about .19 mg/ kg of body weight. Hence I weigh 219, which is 100 kg, so I take about 19 mg/ week, 12 mg on tues and 6-7mg on Wed. Hope I this helps… Good luck n oh btw a veterinarian is the person who saved Joe Tippens life n prescribed him the fenben…😊

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Novi68 in reply toNfler

is that weekly or daily?

Thanks

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Nfler in reply toNovi68

It was weekly but since have upped the dose back to 12 mg daily 4x/ week Mon- Thur…

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Mascouche

Always glad to read you are doing well with your approach. I would have experimented with Ivermectin myself if I could but I have not found any way to get some delivered to Canada.

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Nfler in reply toMascouche

A lot of the sites I looked on were from Canada 🍁 just a lot more expensive than India. All day chemists Is the one I use and or you can go to a feed store n they carry it..

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Mascouche in reply toNfler

Thanks but if you go to alldaychemist.com/do-not-ship it shows that it does not ship to: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Finland, Greece, Italy, Luxemburg ...

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Nfler in reply toMascouche

Oh man that’s terrible, well try Canada and or Mexico’s brand is called veridex ( ivermectina)

Veridex
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Concerneddaughter123 in reply toMascouche

Do you think all day chemist is a reputable pharmacy to purchase from? I’ve researched it, but it’s hard to know if you’re getting what you think you’re getting from some foreign pharmacies. My dad does purchase Ivermectin from them, but I wonder…

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Mascouche in reply toConcerneddaughter123

I heard good things about all day chemist but I could not try them myself as they do not ship to Canada.

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Nfler in reply toConcerneddaughter123

I think they are reputable but it’s hard to tell as India has had its share of problems w quality control. I’ve not had the ivermectin tested but it’s relatively easy to manufacture if it’s available. Ivermectina from Mexico seems to b legit as well as someone mentioned they had a pill tested n it came back as true ivermectin. There’s a pharmacy out of Tennessee that also has ivermectin that you can research…

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Concerneddaughter123 in reply toNfler

Thank you. I did hear about TN as well. I will check into them.

Do you still take ivermectin?

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Nfler in reply toConcerneddaughter123

Yes I take it but after a year of psa stabilizing it started to rise to almost 2, so may have to take more or incorporate other trx, discussing it w oncologist now…

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Mascouche in reply toNfler

Sorry to read about your PSA rising. That damned cancerous beast finds ways to adapt. Please keep us posted on the outcome of your discussion with the oncologist and best of luck to you my friend.

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Ashski

Any further PSA updates Nfler?

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Nfler in reply toAshski

Had psma scan done last month nothing new, psa stable n get new tests next week

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Ashski

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