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I've just received this as an interested party in Bianco's book and project. It's a long post and I have to send another with the other part of the message.

Debate Continues on Combination Therapy for Hypothyroidism

Miriam E. Tucker

May 20, 2

It's "critically important" for clinicians to recognize that not all patients with hypothyroidism are fully treated with levothyroxine (LT4) and some may need combination treatment with triiodothyronine (LT3) despite normal levels of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), according to thyroid expert Antonio C. Bianco, MD, PhD

Speaking to a crowded room at the recent American Association of Clinical Endocrinology (AACE) Annual Meeting 2022, Bianco summarized the history of thyroid replacement treatment, the emerging data focusing on the subset of patients remaining symptomatic on levothyroxine, and how the clinical guidelines have evolved from stating that LT4 is the one and only treatment to now acknowledging that some patients may need combination therapy.

"Treatment with LT4 will leave residual symptoms in about 10%-20% of the patients. Before planning a thyroid surgery, this issue should be discussed with patients. We used to tell patients that LT4 treatment resolves all symptoms, but this is not true for all. For those...who remain symptomatic while on LT4, physicians should attempt combination therapy," Bianco told Medscape Medical News.

The acknowledgement, he said, is "critically important because patients are greatly aggravated by the fact that physicians are satisfied with a normal serum TSH and yet they do not feel well. This comes out in every survey we and others have done." Common residual symptoms include weight gain, fatigue, and "brain fog," which clinicians sometimes dismiss as psychological, he noted.

However, Bianco cautioned that before attempting combination therapy, it's important to make sure that patients don't have other comorbidities that could explain the residual symptoms, including perimenopause/menopause, obesity, vitamin B deficiency, anemia, or other autoimmune diseases.

Bianco is professor of medicine at the University of Chicago and author of more than 80 publications on the thyroid as well as an upcoming book.

octors Follow Guidelines...

Asked for comment, session moderator Alex Tessnow, MD, of the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Southlake, told Medscape Medical News: "I agree with him entirely. I think the biggest challenge we have now is lack of data. It's amazing how common hypothyroidism is. Almost 20% of women over age 65 have an elevated TSH."

"Levothyroxine is the number one prescribed drug in the country. And of all those trials, only three have more than one hundred patients in them. That's how unstudied this topic is. We really need to know more."

Among the reasons the topic remains controversial, Tessnow said, are that "for years the guidelines said levothyroxine is the first choice. Doctors don't want to deviate from the guidelines."

And he noted that some doctors "may be fearful of LT3 being so potent and short-acting and potentially causing cardiac arrhythmias."

"Levothyroxine is so long-acting it's easy to give. Often patients have to take LT3 more than once a day on an empty stomach. There's no combination pill as of now."

Bianco noted that two investigational slow-release LT3 molecules are currently in the pipeline and could alleviate some of these concerns.

Trials Should Focus on Those Not Doing Well on Levothyroxine Alone

Tessnow and Bianco both noted that most of the studies that have failed to show a benefit of combination LT4+LT3 treatment have included overall populations with hypothyroidism rather than focusing just on those who remain asymptomatic with LT4.

"It is possible that those individuals most likely to benefit from combination therapy may not yet have been included in trials in sufficient numbers in order to provide adequate power for detecting a response," Bianco said.

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Tessnow agreed: "The sheer number of people who are doing fine on levothyroxine are going to cover up the potential benefit the combination would give those who are most symptomatic. We need to focus our studies on those patients".

In fact, this research gap was among the conclusions from an expert consensus statement published in March 2021, following a joint conference of the American Thyroid Association (ATA), the British Thyroid Association (BTA), and the European Thyroid Association (ETA). Bianco was one of the statement's authors.

This "acknowledges that the previous clinical trials were not adequately designed," says Bianco, adding, "there is a need for new clinical trials."

Many Patient Reports Document Dissatisfaction With LT4 Treatment

Numerous patient-generated publications have documented residual symptoms with LT4 treatment alone, including higher levels of symptoms on questionnaires, deficits in neurocognitive functioning, impact on psychological well-being, and "brain fog," as reported by Medscape Medical News and published in December 2021, and notably, a study from Bianco's group in 2018, which found "prominent dissatisfaction" with their treatment and their physicians.

"Some changed physicians five to ten times. We concluded there was a significant burden of unsuccessfully resolved symptoms among patients with hypothyroidism," Bianco said during his talk.

"Some say patient preference isn't a clinical outcome, but we have to consider it...To not listen to the patient in what they prefer is unfair and just gives them more reason to be mad at us," he added.

History and Physiology: Why LT4 Is Used But May Not Be Enough for Some

Treatment of hypothyroidism using implantation of a sheep's entire thyroid gland was first described in 1890, followed by subcutaneous injections of sheep's thyroid extract. A short time later, thyroid extract by mouth was introduced. In 1965, a study demonstrated efficacy of a 3.5:1 mixture of synthetic LT4 and LT3.

The shift to LT4 monotherapy happened in 1970, with a study published in the Journal of Clinical Investigation showing that T4 was converted to T3 in humans, "which all interpreted as 'no need to use thyroid extract,' then LT4 became the standard of care," Bianco said.

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Tessnow agreed: "The sheer number of people who are doing fine on levothyroxine are going to cover up the potential benefit the combination would give those who are most symptomatic. We need to focus our studies on those patients".

In fact, this research gap was among the conclusions from an expert consensus statement published in March 2021, following a joint conference of the American Thyroid Association (ATA), the British Thyroid Association (BTA), and the European Thyroid Association (ETA). Bianco was one of the statement's authors.

This "acknowledges that the previous clinical trials were not adequately designed," says Bianco, adding, "there is a need for new clinical trials."

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Isn't this conclusion what you and your research team have been saying for several years, diogenes?

Have these endocrinologists been reading your research and not acknowledging it?

Or would it be undiplomatic to say that publicly?

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diogenesRemembering in reply to humanbean

See my reply to Linda96. In the past I've found out that in a given discipline, it really does matter that new ground-shifting, acceptable information is published in the "right" journal by the "right" people. Nuff said!

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Herein lies another problem:

However, Bianco cautioned that before attempting combination therapy, it's important to make sure that patients don't have other comorbidities that could explain the residual symptoms, including perimenopause/menopause, obesity, vitamin B deficiency, anemia, or other autoimmune diseases.

Firstly, obesity being blamed when it's a chicken and egg situation. Secondly, they always only deal with, and consider true deficiencies in blood results, as opposed to optimal results regarding vitamins. No wonder patients stand no chance.

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TSH110 in reply to Jaydee1507

I found once I took NDT all the other problems righted themselves. My basic problem was inadequate thyroid hormone replacement therapy. It was not the menopause, vitamin deficiencies or myasthenia gravis etc etc & I only got obese on Levothyroxine. They need to sort out the fundamental problem, not pussyfoot around footling about with the results of inadequate treatment. They are not the problem and concentrating on them is not going to get to the nub of the matter, it will just exacerbate it.

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linda96

Barely anyone looks at aetiology of symptomatic hypothyroidism. Like everyone on here I've been through the rounds of denial, told it was all in my head, denied an endo visit for 50 years, denied even levo for 16 years. Only by researching every day for years, and using genetic databases have I arrived at a partial deficiency of THRB2. I'm fighting several endos at the moment who while giving me 40 mcg of T3, deplore that I take up to 180 mcg T3 day to live a life. During this journey I discovered a pituitary apoplexy 40-odd years ago, severe growth hormone deficiency, lupus etc. I have been so angry.

Strange though, the lupus has gone into remission since increasing T3 dosing above 70 mcg per day, my eyesight and hearing have improved. Endos never ask about hearing and eyesight issues. Rheumatologist has been lovely saying anything is possible because so little is known about lupus.

This Bianco book needs to be really good!

Well done Diogenes for keeping up the fight for true knowledge of symptomatic hypothyroidism despite the naysayers.

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diogenesRemembering in reply to linda96

Thank you for that confidence. The emergence of the new paradigm by Bianco is indeed encouraging. However, because it's a "sexy" subject in that it will gives lots of kudos to Bianco as a "pioneer", the fact that we "pioneered" this carefully and comprehensively 7 to 8 years earlier including first condemning existing combination trials as inadequate for the reasons Bianco has at last fallen on. We hope to be mentioned in his book, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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Gingernut44 in reply to diogenes

I certainly do hope you get a mention in this book, it’s an absolute disgrace that you and your peers have been ignored all this time.

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Jacs in reply to diogenes

Obviously I hope that you and your team are recognised publicly diogenes but if not, I hope you understand how truly grateful a lot of us on this platform are for your continued efforts

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TSH110 in reply to diogenes

Well we know the truth. I don’t expect he got there all by himself either by pure coincidence. I got the impression he didn’t really understand it at all but had cherry picked, but perhaps I am being unfair.

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TSH110

“There's no combination pill as of now."

Have they never heard of NDT?

Oh yes there is a combination pill and there has been since the late 1800’s 🙄

One they won’t be a able to patent and make money out of no doubt.

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Astro16

I am afraid i know very little about other treatments , i have been out on Levo thyroxine since i was diagnosed , i am now on 125 levo, and my gp tells me im optimally medicated, however i have not felt well since becoming hypothyroid, as i out on two stone and cant seem to lose it even though i dont eat very much . I live in uk, and this seems to be the medication that is given here to peope whom have hypothyroidism . I havent any idea how to find out about any other medication .. All i know is i dont feel well !!!

Sorry I hope you get better treatment .

All the Best

Astro 16

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