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I would like to say a heartfelt thank you to everyone here who gives advice and support, particularly the incredibly well informed admins and would like to detail my good news/ hopeful story. Sorry for the long post in advance!

I have been hypothyroid for 27 years and have never felt well. I saw an endocrinologist in about 2000 who did a short synacthen test and told me I was fine on levothyroxine and have had “in range” TSH more or less since. However, I have always felt hypothyroid with pretty much all the symptoms described, weight gain and increasingly bad lipids.

In October last year I felt really ill, palpitations, severe heartburn, headaches, dizziness, faintness. I had some bloods done by my GP which showed a very high cholesterol and triglycerides. He referred me to cardiology. It was this that brought me to this site and I quickly recognised that the palpitations were due to a sensitivity to a particular brand of levo as described by others. I also realised that I did not have to put up with the way I felt or my high lipids and decided to investigate further.

A medichecks blood test showed poor conversion of T4 to T3 and a genetic test confirmed that I am heterozygous for the abnormal DI02 gene.

I went to see a wonderful private endo ( yes, they do exist!) who immediately started me on liothyronine 10mcg in the morning while reducing my levo from 137.5 to 125 for 6 weeks. He said “you tick every box” and “ why did you put up with this for so long?”

The results are unequivocal. Total cholesterol down from 6.8 to 5.3, triglycerides from 7.4 to 2.7, weight down 5lb ( on a low carb diet) and I have nails again.

Oh, and I feel better too..... less muscle pain, less brain fog, more energy etc.

So, a very big thank you to everyone and a message to those of you who feel unwell. Don’t put up with it, find a consultant who listens and looks at the whole picture, not just TSH and move on swiftly if they are no good. TUK have a list of good people.

I am not suggesting that T3 is the answer for everyone ( it’s not!), but please don’t despair, there are good people out there and you deserve to be listened to and treated properly.

As a foot note..... he apologised for reducing my levo as my TSH has slightly increased!

I would be very grateful for any advice or comments about bloods or treatment.

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Sorry, don’t know how to add blood results! 🤪

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Recommend you get full thyroid and vitamins tested

As you have Hashimoto’s frequently we have low vitamin levels

What vitamin supplements are you currently taking

Which brand of levothyroxine are you now taking

(Was it Teva upset you previously)

Do you not normally split T3 into 2 x 5mcg roughly 12 hours apart?

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested. Also EXTREMELY important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Low vitamin levels are extremely common with Hashimoto’s

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything other than water .

Last dose of Levothyroxine 24 hours prior to blood test. (taking delayed dose immediately after blood draw).

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

If/when also on T3, make sure to take last third or quarter of daily dose 8-12 hours prior to test, even if this means adjusting time or splitting of dose day before test

Is this how you do your tests?

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or thyroid antibodies or all relevant vitamins

List of private testing options

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Thriva Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins By DIY fingerpick test

thriva.co/tests/thyroid-test

Thriva also offer just vitamin testing

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins by DIY fingerprick test

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

If you can get GP to test vitamins and antibodies then cheapest option for just TSH, FT4 and FT3

£29 (via NHS private service ) and 10% off down to £26.10 if go on thyroid uk for code

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

monitormyhealth.org.uk/

NHS easy postal kit vitamin D test £29 via

vitamindtest.org.uk

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Mollyfan

Hi. I will put results in with ranges as I have failed completely to upload more than one photo!

All bloods were taken in the morning before any medication or food. The first cholesterol was NHS but all others are medichecks. So, 24 hours after levo ( and also lio as I was only taking one 10mcg in the morning, so second T3 result may be a bit low)

Vitamin tested in October

Vit D 92.5 (50-175)

Vit B12 118 (>37.5)

Ferritin 353 (13-150) Iron studies by GP normal.

Folate not done but have one abnormal MTHFR gene and was 3.93 (3.89-26.8) in 2018.

I will repeat these with next blood test

Currently taking Vit D 5000IU/ day and folate as you advised.

Oct 2020

TSH. 1.51 (0.27-4.2)

T3 4.2. (3.1-6.8)

T4 17.4 (12-22)

Feb 2021 same reference ranges

TSH 2.10

T3. 4.19

T4. 13

He has advised increase in lio to 10mcg bd, but I may well split 10 5 5

Thanks Slowdragon x

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Folate not done but have one abnormal MTHFR gene and was 3.93 (3.89-26.8) in 2018.

Are you currently taking just folate or a daily good quality vitamin B complex ?

Obviously important to stop taking any supplements that contain biotin (eg vitamin B complex) a week before ALL blood tests as biotin can falsely affect test results

Personally I then take separate folate and B12 during that week before test

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Mollyfan in reply toSlowDragon

My B12 has always been high rather than low, so I only take folate. I didn’t do the vitamins on the last test, but will do a full screen next time. Thanks for all your help and enormous knowledge!

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B12 may be high because other B vitamins are missing

Suggest you try vitamin B complex

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toMollyfan

Feb 2021

TSH 2.10

T3. 4.19

T4. 13

These results suggest you are under medicated

Likely to need increase in levothyroxine at next test

But only increase levothyroxine or T3 at any one time

Many of us on levothyroxine plus T3 find we need GOOD Ft4 and Ft3. Both at least 60% through range

Currently

Ft4 is 10% through range

Ft3 only 29% through range

Helpful calculator for working out percentage through range

chorobytarczycy.eu/kalkulator

Yes recommend you split T3 as 10mcg at 7am, 5mcg at 3pm and 5mcg at 11pm

Likely to need to increase levothyroxine after next test in 6-8 weeks time

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Mollyfan in reply toSlowDragon

Thanks, this is so helpful!

My T4 was previously 17 and TSH much lower. It is really interesting as I stopped all Teva and changed to Mercury. I only reduced my dose from 137.5 to 125 but the fT4 has significantly reduced. I wonder whether this shows that Teva is “stronger” than Mercury? I will definitely split the dose and look to increase the T4 again after the next test.

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No it shows it’s important to fine tune dose levothyroxine

It’s also extremely common for Ft4 to drop with addition of T3.

Perhaps....Our metabolism improves and we start using more

Endocrinologist nearly always reduce levothyroxine when adding T3, but extremely common to then need to increase levothyroxine slowly back up to previous level or higher

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Mollyfan

Ps. Yes, it was Teva and I am now happy on Mercury.

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Mazzer

I’m glad you getting the care you deserve. I would love to have the details of your private endo as I’m having a mare. Private message me if you don’t mind. Thank you

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Cherryboo in reply toMazzer

So glad to see a success story, would you mind pm me also with details

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Mollyfan

Previous state of nails!

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Hedgeree

Hi Mollyfan,

It's so reassuring to hear a story like yours where you've been unwell for such a long time but are now in a good place and feeling much better. ☺

As sadly most of the posts that I've been reading highlight how thyroid problems are going undertreated and causing much ill health.

I'm still at the start of trying to get diagnosed with thyroid issues and so unable to offer any advice regarding blood test results.

If it's ok could you also pm me the details of your private endo. That would be much appreciated.

Glad you are being listened to and hope you continue to feel well and make further improvements.

Take care.

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infomaniac

Nice to hear a success story for once! You've spurred me on to find someone private too-it will be money well spent as trying to work everything out myself is just not working. I hope your good health continues x

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