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Blood results following increase in Levothyroxine dose

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Thoughts please.In March I had bloods taken showing TSH 5.64 and Free Thyroxine 14.4.

I had been taking 25micrograms of Levothyroxine for several years as considered sub clinical .

The same blood test showed raised cholesterol.

GP wanted to try increasing Levothyroxine dose before recommending statins.

I commenced 50mg.

Today I had a repeat blood test.

The lipids, cholesterol result I don't have yet but TSH reduced to 4.12 and Free Thyroxine 14.8.

I believe this brings my TSH just within normal range.

I have put on a lot of weight over 6 months and have lost little over this time despite my best efforts.

Any views on the results and what I should pursue with my GP.

Thank you

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Pebble23

The aim of a treated hypo patient on Levo only, generally, is for TSH to be 1 or lower with FT4 and FT3 in the upper part of their ranges if that is where you feel well.

To have a TSH of 4.12 suggests that it's close to the top of it's range and that you are undermedicated. I can't comment on your FT4 level without a reference range.

The fact that you have put on weight suggests undermedication, as does high cholesterol.

Statins are not a good idea. See

nhs.uk/conditions/statins/c...

If you have an underactive thyroid (hypothyroidism), treatment may be delayed until this problem is treated. This is because having an underactive thyroid can lead to an increased cholesterol level, and treating hypothyroidism may cause your cholesterol level to decrease, without the need for statins. Statins are also more likely to cause muscle damage in people with an underactive thyroid.

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Pebble23 in reply to SeasideSusie

Thank you.Yes,it has come down but still high.

Hopefully I will become more confident at interpreting.

Having read posts here I did ensure my test was early and didn't take my medication until afterwards.

SlowDragon profile image
SlowDragonAdministrator

So you are ready for next increase to 75mcg daily

Retest again in another 6-8 weeks

Which brand of levothyroxine are you currently taking

Essential to test vitamin D, folate, B12 and ferritin tested at least once a year

When were these last tested

What vitamin supplements are you currently taking

Have you had thyroid antibodies tested for autoimmune thyroid disease

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Pebble23 in reply to SlowDragon

HiMy 50 mg is Branded Accord.

Historically the brand is inconsistent.

I take vitamin D in the winter as I have generalised osteoarthritis.

I have not been tested for autoimmune hypothyroidism.

My mother also has hypothyroidism.

I have not been tested for vit D,B12 or ferritin etc for several years.

Thank you.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Pebble23

So if your mum has hypothyroidism and you do it’s almost certainly autoimmune

Vitamin levels need testing annually

Vitamin D twice year

How much vitamin D are you currently taking

Bloods should be retested 6-8 weeks after each dose change or brand change in levothyroxine

 

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested 

Also both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested at least once 

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high thyroid antibodies 

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis. 

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto’s or Ord’s thyroiditis)

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis 

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test 

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

List of private testing options and money off codes

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

If you can get GP to test vitamins then cheapest option for just TSH, FT4 and FT3 and includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies -£29 

randoxhealth.com/at-home/Th...

Monitor My Health also now offer thyroid and vitamin testing, plus cholesterol and HBA1C for £65 

(Doesn’t include thyroid antibodies) 

monitormyhealth.org.uk/full...

10% off code here 

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

NHS easy postal kit vitamin D test £31 via

vitamindtest.org.uk

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning. 

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

Symptoms of hypothyroidism 

thyroiduk.org/wp-content/up...

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Pebble23 in reply to SlowDragon

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this.I will certainly be prepared for my GP!

I take 5ug vit D.

SlowDragon profile image
SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Pebble23

5ug vitamin D is only 200iu

medscape.com/viewarticle/58...

What was last vitamin D test result

How long have you been taking this dose

Suggest you test vitamin D

Very unlikely that’s high enough dose vitamin D

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going daily maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly via NHS private testing service when supplementing 

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7. 

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D and thyroid disease 

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease 

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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Pebble23 in reply to SlowDragon

MorningMy vit D has never been formally tested..I take as gov recommended for everyone in the winter.

I hadn't realised I was taking such a low dose!!

I assume the GP may be unlikely to test/screen for the recommended,hence the links to private companies?

Is it worth asking them for any ?

Thanks again.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Pebble23

Easy NHS postal test kit

vitamindtest.org.uk/

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Pebble23

Many people find Levothyroxine brands are not interchangeable.

Most easily available (and often most easily tolerated) are Mercury Pharma or Accord

Mercury Pharma make 25mcg, 50mcg and 100mcg tablets 

Mercury Pharma also boxed as Eltroxin. Both often listed by company name on pharmacy database - Advanz 

Accord only make 50mcg and 100mcg tablets 

Accord is also boxed as Almus via Boots, 

 Many patients do NOT get on well with Teva brand of Levothyroxine. Teva is lactose free.

But Teva contains mannitol as a filler instead of lactose, which seems to be possible cause of problems. Mannitol seems to upset many people, it changes gut biome 

Teva is the only brand that makes 75mcg tablet. 

So if avoiding Teva for 75mcg dose ask for 25mcg to add to 50mcg or just extra 50mcg tablets to cut in half

But for some people (usually if lactose intolerant, Teva is by far the best option)

Aristo (currently 100mcg only) is lactose free and mannitol free. 

March 2023 - Aristo now called Vencamil

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Wockhardt is very well tolerated, but only available in 25mcg tablets. Some people remain on Wockhardt, taking their daily dose as a number of tablets 

 

List of different brands available in U.K.

thyroiduk.org/if-you-are-hy...

Posts that mention Teva

healthunlocked.com/search/p...

Teva poll

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Once you find a brand that suits you, best to make sure to only get that one at each prescription.

Watch out for brand change when dose is increased or at repeat prescription.

Government guidelines for GP in support of patients if you find it difficult/impossible to change brands 

gov.uk/drug-safety-update/l...

If a patient reports persistent symptoms when switching between different levothyroxine tablet formulations, consider consistently prescribing a specific product known to be well tolerated by the patient. 

academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...

Physicians should: 1) alert patients that preparations may be switched at the pharmacy; 2) encourage patients to ask to remain on the same preparation at every pharmacy refill; and 3) make sure patients understand the need to have their TSH retested and the potential for dosing readjusted every time their LT4 preparation is switched (18).

Levothyroxine is an extremely fussy hormone and should always be taken on an empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/p...

markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/p...

No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap.

Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

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Pebble23 in reply to SlowDragon

HiI followed up with my practice today who told me that as my TSH came back in the normal range(4.12) there is no further action...surely on treatment we are aiming for better

I am trying to get an appointment to talk through my symptoms.

As well as advice provided here I am sure that if anything aim towards mid of normal .

So frustrating.

It seems a v basic guide.

I need to plan my argument...I have not lost much weight despite efforts,I am lethargic and re read the info provided to me here.

Anything else I can throw in would be welcome ??

Thank you.

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tattybogle in reply to Pebble23

This post contains several references which recommend GP's keep TSH between 0.4/ 0.5 and 2.0 / 2.5 in patients on levo .

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu... my-list-of-references-recommending-gp-s-keep-tsh-lower-in-range-

Some are taken from GP 'update' sources .. and one was written specifically for GP's by Specialist Registrars in Cardiology / Endocrinology .. so there should be no argument about their validity.

i suggest you put them on the desk under GP's nose and ask for an explanation why they are ignoring all these very clear recommendations to keep TSH under 2.5

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Pebble23 in reply to tattybogle

Thank you.I will!!

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Pebble23 in reply to tattybogle

I just wanted to thank you and Slow Dragon.I followed your advice and information which proved invaluable to me.

Today I had a telephone consultation with a GP to challenge my 4.12 TSH being"normal" and request tests for Vit D,folate etc.

He initially said Vit D was not related!

Thanks to this site I was able to disagree.He looked it up himself then and agreed.

I also made ref to Dr Tofts article.

Long and short of it ...Levo dose increase,tests for vits and folate,repeat cholesterol and markers for other in family autoimmune diseases.

I feel v sad for those who do not have the means to access such a site or the confidence to speak up.

Thanks again.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Pebble23

NHS England Liothyronine guidelines July 2019

 

sps.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploa...

Page 9 

Test for Deficiency of any of the following: Vitamin B12, Folate,  Vitamin D, Iron

See page 13 

1. Where symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite optimal dosage with levothyroxine. (TSH 0.4-1.5mU/L)

from PULSE magazine for GP's... The article is available from ThyroidUK

If you want a copy of the article then email tukadmin@thyroidUK.org

and ask for a copy of the Dr Toft article in Pulse magazine. The quote is in answer to question 6.

Dr Toft, past president of the British Thyroid Association and leading endocrinologist, states in Pulse Magazine:

"The appropriate dose of levothyroxine is that which restores euthyroidism and serum TSH to the lower part of the reference range - 0.2-0.5mU/l.

In this case, free thyroxine is likely to be in the upper part of its reference range or even slightly elevated – 18-22pmol/l.

Most patients will feel well in that circumstance.

But some need a higher dose of levothyroxine to suppress serum TSH and then the serum-free T4 concentration will be elevated at around 24-28pmol/l.

This 'exogenous subclinical hyperthyroidism' is not dangerous as long as serum T3 is unequivocally normal – that is, serum total around T3 1.7nmol/l (reference range 1.0-2.2nmol/l)."

Cholesterol tends to be high when hypothyroid and low when hyperthyroid 

nhs.uk/conditions/statins/c...

If you have an underactive thyroid (hypothyroidism), treatment may be delayed until this problem is treated. This is because having an underactive thyroid can lead to an increased cholesterol level, and treating hypothyroidism may cause your cholesterol level to decrease, without the need for statins. Statins are also more likely to cause muscle damage in people with an underactive thyroid.

Graph showing median TSH in healthy population is 1-1.5

web.archive.org/web/2004060...

guidelines on dose levothyroxine by weight

Even if we frequently don’t start on full replacement dose, most people need to increase levothyroxine dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until eventually on, or near full replacement dose

NICE guidelines on full replacement dose

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng145/...

1.3.6

Consider starting levothyroxine at a dosage of 1.6 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day (rounded to the nearest 25 micrograms) for adults under 65 with primary hypothyroidism and no history of cardiovascular disease.

Also here 

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

pathlabs.rlbuht.nhs.uk/tft_...

Guiding Treatment with Thyroxine: 

In the majority of patients 50-100 μg thyroxine can be used as the starting dose. Alterations in dose are achieved by using 25-50 μg increments and adequacy of the new dose can be confirmed by repeat measurement of TSH after 2-3 months. 

The majority of patients will be clinically euthyroid with a ‘normal’ TSH and having thyroxine replacement in the range 75-150 μg/day (1.6ug/Kg on average).

The recommended approach is to titrate thyroxine therapy against the TSH concentration whilst assessing clinical well-being. The target is a serum TSH within the reference range. 

……The primary target of thyroxine replacement therapy is to make the patient feel well and to achieve a serum TSH that is within the reference range. The corresponding FT4 will be within or slightly above its reference range.

The minimum period to achieve stable concentrations after a change in dose of thyroxine is two months and thyroid function tests should not normally be requested before this period has elapsed.

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