Just to briefly update I've been upping levo to trial it for a good while, and up to 125 now although it always been near top,of range anyway. . And t3 near bottom
I'm wondering if I'm stored up in RT3 I'm still unsure about it? Am I right to say that it goes with adequate t3?
Does it make you feel ill? I always feel very ill or quite ill or a bit better
Sometimes I get pains under shoulder blades, and hip groin agony, then that feels ok today but energy in boots, I wish I knew in simple terms exactly what happens to fluctuate like this ?
- had my bloods done. The endo sent me an envelope
For first time ever my tsh is under 3
Tsh. 1.1
T4. 16. (7 to. 17)
T3 WASNT Done. I'm so,upset about this ๐????????! How can this be ?
B12 810. (145 - 900)
D. 173. (50 - 250)
Folate. 24. (3 -20). This is over. Does it matter much? I took methyl
So il get back with t3 result come what may, il buy it if the secretary doesn't call me back
Then maybe I can take advise to proceed please I felt I had to exhaust the levo theory even though it appeared that I'm a bad convertor I know iodine is a sensitive , I do wonder if for some of us it is relevant , Medichecks have stopped testimg it
Symptoms are the same, brain fog depression anxiety Frustration! Big Fatigue stiffness when standing
Thanks for being here โค๏ธ
Also I'm not good with pork so,don't think ndt would be the best choice if needed , id to chemical or, bovine I suppose
My telephone appointment is in July, endo is away until then. I wonder where he's gone to lol
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I'm wondering if I'm stored up in RT3 I'm still unsure about it? Am I right to say that it goes with adequate t3?
If your FT4 is right up the top of the range, it's pretty certain that your rT3 is high. It's a safety measure, to stop you converting too much T4 to T3. But, it doesn't 'store up'. It's only in the system for about two hours, and then is converted to T2, then to T1, and then the iodine is recycled - iodine is always recycled, which is why you don't want to take too much of it.
No, you're not right to say it goes with adequate T3, that is a myth. It goes with a lower dose of T4. If that means you need to take T3, then that's another thing entirely. T3 is not a 'cure' for rT3.
Does it make you feel ill?
No, it doesn't. It's inert. What makes you feel ill is the low FT3 when you can't convert. Nothing to do with rT3.
I know iodine is a sensitive , I do wonder if for some of us it is relevant
If you are taking thyroid hormone replacement, you will be getting iodine from that. 100 mcg levo contains 65 mcg iodine. It's doubtful you would need more.
Symptoms are the same, brain fog depression anxiety Frustration! Big Fatigue stiffness when standing
Symptoms of low T3. They won't go until you get enough T3 into you. So, yes, you would be better off sourcing it yourself. Hopefully, someone reading this post will PM you to tell you where to buy it. If not, write a new post, asking just that.
After all your past patience I realised i an poor convertor probably
But i hadn't gone the Levo route to eliminate
Today you can imagine it was unbelievable after so long to find im now tsh 1.1 After being 3.5 or 4
The 125 levo and supps have brought this but still up creek without a paddle without A T3 result. Iv ordered it. My DIL will take Sample for me and Hoping next week i finally know what t3 move is
Ive got two boxes thnx in fruit bowl!
Thankyou for rt3 refresher
Thats reassuring.
So in fact could have too much iodine!? As my t4 always been good level & so now almost at very top im giving it away to t1 & 2 possibly
Not a good idea to keep going with the levo unless you have to. And FT4 too high will reduce your conversion to T3 because most of it will be converting to rT3, so you'd just have to keep increasing it. But, it's not possible to say much more without seeing the FT3 result.
Nothing is in stone where thyroid is concerned. The FT3 should be where it best suits you, and if that's over-range or mid-range, so be it. Doctors don't understand that. They're obsessed with numbers, which is the wrong way to go about it.
I think it's scandalous that the lab has the power to over-rule the doctor. It wouldn't happen here in France! But, that's the NHS for you. I just don't understand why doctors put up with it.
I think what you've read about the top third on here was only part of what was said. Usually people say FT3 should be in the top third of the range, or wherever makes you feel well - or words to that effect. We're all different, with different needs. But, most people do need their FT3 in the top third, although not everyone. Some, like me, even need it higher, like over-range. Ranges are just rough guides. They're not set in stone, either.
I've never managed to get a doctor to test my vit d, they always say it's not necessary! But, then, I've never had joint pain. I used to have muscle pain, but that went with zinc.
If your vit D is low - which it probably is - then you probably would have to take if for life. What's so wrong with that? It's better than the alternative.
Not certain that you would need less with higher T3. What you need to work on, if you have low nutrients, is low stomach acid.
Absolutely. I do, I'm next detoxing but aware you need to be in a good state to detox so to speak, have amazing insights on it from a member and very much in mind, alsomto get rid of candida and the dreaded parasites we all will have to some degree, a,good,old cleanmout every 60 yrs or so isnt OTT Lol
My D is 173. Range 50 - 250 So can add more of it then
Folate was over range, presume this ok. Just to cut back. But I've taken methyl folate. Thinking you miss the fibre but hope,it's as good as the greens! Some days were too lazy so took the supps
I'm not a fan of the idea of detoxing. The body keeps itself 'clean'. It depends how you do it, of course, but it could possibly do more harm than good.
Understand this view of detox, the liver after all is a body cleanser. I try the intermittent fasting say for 16 hrs at least over night, to give it a break, there is evidence it appreciates this - any fasting and drinking clear fluids gives the body a rest also some herbs are meant to support , Swedish bitters are recommended too
I'm just bobbing in finally with the t3 result to review with the above levels ........., I had to go to another hospital to,get the t3 test done, beg the secretaries to send it to my doc, as they wouldn't , couldn't give it to me and so a kind doc has sent it to me by text today
And I think it's ok ๐คทโโ๏ธ Finally finally I think I've got ok blood numbers. And supplement numbers. But does not reflect how I feel most days
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The t3 is
5.5. Range 3.7 to 6
I thought I would feel fab and I don't as still have brain fog days, extreme tiredness
If you don't feel fab then you haven't got ok numbers. Because it's not so much about the numbers as how you feel. The numbers are just a rough guide.
So, your FT4 is 90% through the range and your FT3 is 78.26%. Conversion not brilliant but I've seen worse. But, your FT4 is probably too high now, and converting to more rT3 than T3. So, a reduction in levo and the addition of a little T3 might get you to where you want to be. Worth a try.
Because, when it gets to a certain point - and that point is different for everyone - more T4 starts getting converted to rT3 than T3. So, instead of going up in proportion to your FT4 level, your FT3 level tends to drop because your conversion is worse.
From experience here, does 125 levo often take people from low t4 to a good level'.?
That is a personal thing, and far from linear. You cannot predict it.
No, you haven't missed your sweet-spot. It's the FT3 sweet-spot that is important, and you're obviously not there yet.
It's just that if your FT4 level is too high, your conversion can get worse instead of better, because more T4 is converted to rT3 and less to T3. If your FT3 has risen, then you haven't reached that rT3 point yet. But, you don't really want it to go any higher if you have the oppertunity to take some T3 instead.
As I said, we're all different. Depends on their level of conversion, etc.
Well, you can't know if you have high rT3 without a test, but it doesn't benefit you much to know. The only thing you could do about it would be to reduce levo and add T3. You don't need a test to tell you that.
OK, but what if your high rT3 was caused by Acute illness and injury
* Chronic disease
* Increased cortisol (stress)
* Low cortisol (adrenal fatigue)
* Low iron
* Lyme disease
, etc. etc. etc. ?
Taking T3 won't help with any of those. T3 is not a treatment or cure for high rT3. Taking T3 on helps rT3 decrease if you have poor conversion and your FT4 is too high. And, you can tell if that's a likely cause by looking at your FT4 and FT3 results. You do not need the expense of an rT3 test.
Just to explain that When i said id take t3 its because i have been bad convertor and not wanting to tempt making rt3 by increasing levo - as we covered previously
.....no I didnt know those things also cause rt3, interesting. Thnx
Yes, I realise what you were saying, but I was just explaining the futility of testing rT3 - because there could always be more than one cause at the same time.
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