Vitamin D3 spray recommendations?

[Rhsana]

Happy Monday all!

Is there anyone out there who can recommend a good vitamin D3 spray or a place to get VD3 Injections? I’ve been VitD deficient for years now and I just can’t seem to get it raised enough or even sustain the slight raise that I do get. Any help/suggestions would be oh so welcome! R xx

[SeasideSusie Remembering]

BetterYou spray is often recommended here.

If you don't have Hashi's then consider an oil based softgel, eg Doctor's Best which has only 2 ingredients. Even some Hashi's patients have done well on that.

Make sure that you also take magnesium as it is needed to help the body utilise D3, it converts it to the active form. Also Vit K2-MK7 is necessary to direct the extra uptake of calcium (which happens when taking D3) to bones and teeth where it is needed and away from arteries and soft tissues where it can get deposited and cause problems.

Make sure you're taking the right dose of D3. If you post your current level I can point you in the direction of where to work out how much you need.

[Rhsana in reply to SeasideSusie]

Hi SS,

Thank you! Vit D results are -

14 Mar 2019 Serum total 25-OH vit D level

61 nmol/L RANGE - 75 - 200

8 Aug 2018 Serum total 25-OH vit D level

71 nmol/L RANGE - 75 - 200

11 Jun 2018 Serum total 25-OH vit D level

49 nmol/L RANGE - 75 - 200

6 Feb 2018 Serum total 25-OH vit D level

44 nmol/L RANGE - 75 - 200

29 Nov 2017 - Serum total 25-OH vit D level

62 nmol/L RANGE - 75 - 200

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to Rhsana]

You haven't said how much D3 you are taking or in what form. Tablets and capsules are the least absorbable and would need to be taken with dietary fat to be absorbed. Softgels contain some oil so that would help absorption.

From your current level of 61nmol/L(24.4ng/ml) to reach the Vit D Council/Vit D Society recommended level of 100-150nmol/L (targetting the midde of that range), the Vit D Council suggests taking 3,700iu D3 daily (nearest is 4,000iu).

vitamindcouncil.org/i-teste...

Retest after 3 months.

Once you've reached the recommended level then you'll need a maintenance dose to keep it there, which may be 2000iu daily, maybe more or less, maybe less in summer than winter, it's trial and error so it's recommended to retest once or twice a year to keep within the recommended range. You can do this with a private fingerprick blood spot test with an NHS lab which offers this test to the general public:

vitamindtest.org.uk/

There are important cofactors needed when taking D3 as recommended by the Vit D Council

vitamindcouncil.org/about-v...

D3 aids absorption of calcium from food and K2-MK7 directs the calcium to bones and teeth where it is needed and away from arteries and soft tissues where it can be deposited and cause problems such as hardening of the arteries, kidney stones, etc.

D3 and K2 are fat soluble so should be taken with the fattiest meal of the day, D3 four hours away from thyroid meds if taking tablets/capsules/softgels, no necessity if using an oral spray

Magnesium helps D3 to work. We need Magnesium so that the body utilises D3, it's required to convert Vit D into it's active form. So it's important we ensure we take magnesium when supplementing with D3.

Magnesium comes in different forms, check to see which would suit you best and as it's calming it's best taken in the evening, four hours away from thyroid meds if taking tablets/capsules, no necessity if using topical forms of magnesium.

naturalnews.com/046401_magn...

drjockers.com/best-magnesiu...

afibbers.org/magnesium.html

Check out the other cofactors too (some of which can be obtained from food).

[Rhsana in reply to SeasideSusie]

Thanks again, that is some great info, it will take me a while to read through all the links.

I have taken D3 in all forms except the spray or injections. currently I am on 5000iu from Cytoplan in tablet form I take it with K2 and with fat (meal). I was on a loading dose of 10000 in soft gels for you 3 weeks on the NHS which brought it up to 71 on the 8th August blood tests.

I also take magnesium - one in the morning and one at night as prescribed by a naturopath along with P5P Extra, Pantothenic Acid, NAC & Lipsomal, Chromium, Ashwaganda, aas well as symprove and bimuno for gut support.



[Mamapea1 in reply to Rhsana]

I would recommend Better You Vit D spray, it was great for me. I use all their sprays now. I had really bad absorption issues and couldn't tolerate/absorb the soft gels through the gut. It worked a treat ~ I wouldn't bother with the Vit D injections, they don't work. My Vit D level was 4, (yes, I did feel half dead😳) and I had a lot given to me over several months, but it was a waste of time...my levels barely rose at all...they're not like B12 injections.

I don't know who suggested them to you, but it seems it's widely known in the medical profession that they're fairly useless. I learnt this via a letter I found in my medical notes to my GP from my Rhuematologist ~ made me wonder why they sent me for them in the first place!😕

[Rhsana in reply to Mamapea1]

Thanks Mamapea! A pharmacist recommended the injections but yes would prefer not - not a huge fan of needles Do you also take to iron spray from them as well? As I also have absorption issues it would appear. R xx

[Mamapea1 in reply to Rhsana]

Oh right, well I expect the pharmacist was just trying to think of a way to avoid the absorption problem, but in practice, it seems it's a definite fail. I don't mind needles at all, but I do like results if I'm going to bother😊.

Yes, I also use the Better You iron spray ~ again, it has proved invaluable to me. My iron/ferritin levels have always been low, and all forms of supplementation proved problematic...nausea, stomach cramps, even worse constipation, etc. but the spray works really well for me...effective and completely painless...although I still don't like the taste😝.

I see you're taking the pantothenic acid, but do you also take a B complex? If you've been D deficient for a while, you may have become low in all the B's too...worth looking into.

I became seriously deficient, (especially B12) and Dr's were completely oblivious to this ~ I was very ill, and only recovered with kind advice from here. I take extra B5 too, and also B1, in addition to the complex and B12, although I do now have a break from the complex from time to time, as I'm much better.

I personally found I had to read a lot to find out which B's I needed more of, define symptoms etc. It's a long hard slog to replenish all the vitamins and minerals, but hopefully we all get there in the end. x

[Rhsana in reply to Mamapea1]

Good to know about the injections! I was taking B complex but natropath said I didn't need to - I had B12 injections for about a year and that really did help. Do you take the B12 spray as well? It really is a long hard slog and sometimes I feel better for seemingly no reason and sometimes worse... I just wish I could pin point the exact thing or things you know?! R xx

[Mamapea1 in reply to Rhsana]

Yes I use the B12 spray too...gallons of it!😂 I also take Jarrows B12 ~ 5000mcg a few times a week, sometimes every day. I'm thinking of self injecting B12, as I have found if my serum levels go below 2000, I get tremors and walking issues. Above 2000, and I'm fine😎

My GP ignored my below range folate and extremely low B12 for almost 20 years! And as I say, Vit D was 4. I couldn't hold a cup or walk unaided ~ I thought I had Parkinson's or MS! She seems to think vitamins don't matter with thyroid disorders, and just says they're "fine". Incredible. Glad you have someone more knowledgeable ~ although a pigs bladder on a broomstick would be more knowledgeable than mine😂.

I do know what you mean about the ups and downs...going gluten free has given me a smoother ride.... x