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Hi everyone,

just had my bloods done, results are as below.

t4 14.9 (10.5-24.5)

TSH 4.54 (0.27-4.2)

im currently on 25mch of t4 and 3.25 of t3.

When i lowed my dose from 75mcg to 50mcg then to 25mcg of t4 , i added 3.25 of t3 and felt really well for few weeks, most importantly the consistent headache disappeared , had more energy to feeling refreshed in the morning.

But now feeling how i used to again with eyes pulling, yawning all day, insomnia and stabbing pains on the head.

what happened? i am still taking the same dose and not changed anything.

what does my blood results mean?

im also on selenium, magnesium, vit d, k2-mk7, ferrous fumate,vit c and folic acid.

Thank you for any advice given.

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Maya_83

t4 14.9 (10.5-24.5)

TSH 4.54 (0.27-4.2)

You are undermedicated to have a TSH over range, most Hypos feel best when it's downto around 1.

And you haven't got a FT3 result which is needed when taking T3.

But now feeling how i used to again with eyes pulling, yawning all day, insomnia and stabbing pains on the head.

what happened? i am still taking the same dose and not changed anything.

You have Hashi's, as mentioned in this previous thread of yours, and with antibody activity results and symptoms will fluctuate healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Did you check out the links SlowDragon posted? Have you adopted a gluten free diet?

Have you got current test results for your vitamins and minerals? I know you said you are supplementing, but are you taking the right dose and are your levels optimal?

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Maya_83 in reply to SeasideSusie

Any higher dose seasidesusie, I feel ill too with the hyper symptoms. And if I add any more t3 I get aches and pains.

Yes I'm gluten free now as of 2months.

I'm still waiting for my results of vitamins.

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JaninaWalker in reply to Maya_83

I say great that you are using T3 as I know how to use T3, but can't afford the cost of it in Canada. It cost me Cdn$350 for about 9 months to do my three trials of experimentation with it. If I could get it again, I know exactly how I would use it to drive down the reverse T3 which i successfully did in 2017, but the last test showed it had climbed again.

One woman I helped got her TSH from just over 5 to a lower healthy range just by taking 4 evenly spaced tablets with food of a professional grade mult that is available on amazon UK website and can be delivered to you. So I really think it is best to do all nutritionally also with added supplements rather than become diagnosed with a disease and then put on medications you say overdo things and make you more ill.

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Maya_83 in reply to SeasideSusie

Hi seasideSusie..

These are my recent vitamins results.

Done on the 7/9/18

Ferritin 165 (13-150)

Folate 16.7 (3.8 - 9999)

Vit D 167

Also Should I reduce ferrous fumerate, which I take 3 times a day?

Thanks for your input

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply to Maya_83

Maya

As your Ferritin is over range then I would ease up on the iron supplement.

Your Vit D is a little over the recommended level of 100-150nmol so if you're supplementing it might be an idea to drop off 1 day a week.

Folate is OK.

Have you had B12 tested?

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Maya_83 in reply to SeasideSusie

I can reduce it to one a day.

Yes did b12 too but no results yet.

😏

If I add in more meds for thyroid, which one should I increase would you say? Levo or t3?

Thank you

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply to Maya_83

Maya

Hard to say as there's no FT3 result.

You say any more T3 and you get aches and pains and any higher dose Levo and you felt ill with hyper symptoms.

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Maya_83 in reply to SeasideSusie

B12 1194 (194-771)

All vits look fine, so why am I feeling so unwell again?

😢

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Maya_83

Greygoose...

Can I pick your brains on my results please.

I feel terrible.. and have been for the past 5/6 weeks.

I was doing miles better on the combined t3 dose and Levo.

So after my recent blood results above I increased my Levo to 37.5mcg and t3 still the same at 3.25.

So now for the past 4 days been getting allot of Palpitations, breathlessness and literally bed bound now, head feeling heaving and dizzy.

Please can you / anyone advise me on what to do😑. I feel awful and have a 4yo to look after..

Thank you

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Maya_83 in reply to Maya_83

greygoose

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greygoose in reply to Maya_83

Well, you're obviously under-medicated. I'm wondering why you reduced your levo twice. Were you aiming at going T3 only? Were you a very, very bad converter - have you ever had your FT3 tested? Thing is, you reduced your levo from 75 mcg to 25 mcg - 50 mcg reduction - but only added in 3.25 mcg T3. How can that possibly make up the difference? Why did you reduce your levo at all if you were only going to add in such a tiny dose of T3? You're now on such a small dose over-all that I'm not surprised you're ill.

How long have you been taking selenium - just a shot in the dark here? Selenium doesn't suit everyone. On the other hand, you're possibly low on zinc. Low zinc causes muscle pains. Why not try stopping the selenium and adding in some zinc?

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Maya_83 in reply to greygoose

Thanks for you're reply Greygoose.

When I was on 75mcg of Levo only, medi checks said I was going hyper.

So I reduced my dose to 50mcg and added 6.25mcg of t3, had really bad aches and pains so reduced it further to 25mcg of Levo and 3.25 of t3..

I actually felt ok , best I've felt in the past two years so stayed on that.

Had more energy and stabbing pains on head eased off . No more aches and pains too

Now for the last 5weks really unwell again. Dizzy, headaches breathlessness ( is this cause of being undermedicated?)

I've been on selenium for 4months now. Take 15 mg of zinc.

Greygoose? The results above that I've just attached now are the results from when i was taking 75mcg of Levo only..

What should I do now? Feel so shattered!!☹

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greygoose in reply to Maya_83

I very much doubt that Medichecks said you were 'going hyper' because it's a physical impossibility when you're hypo. They might have said you were over-medicated because your TSH was low, but I doubt your FT3 was over-range so you weren't over-medicated.

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greygoose in reply to greygoose

Yes, I've just looked at your Medicheck results, and your TSH is very low. But, that does not mean you are over-medicated. Your FT3 wasn't much over mid-range, so it was possible that you needed to add some T3. But the amount you added was rediculously low. One usually starts on 6.25 mcg. You are now under-medicated, according to your TSH. Why did you reduce the levo twice? Once was more than enough because you are not taking enough T3 to replace it. One normally starts by reducing the levo by 25 mcg and adding 6.25 mcg T3, which is the rough equivalent. The only thing you can possibly do is increase your T3.

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Maya_83 in reply to greygoose

I did start with 6.25mcg of t3 in the beginning, but the pain was too much all over my body, that's when I reduced it to 3.25.

So should I up it to 6.25mcg of t3 and Levo 25mcg?

Thanks for you're time x

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greygoose in reply to Maya_83

The pain could have been due to many things. Not necessarily the T3. Start by increasing it to 6.25, and see how you go. You can increase by 6.25 every two weeks until you feel well.

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Maya_83 in reply to greygoose

Thank you, I will try out that dose.

Do you think there could maybe be an adrenal problem too? As I feel super exhausted by 3pm and feel like I've had an energy crash. This has been going on for months now.

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greygoose in reply to Maya_83

There certainly could be an adrenal problem - but I'm not sure that would make you exhausted by 3 pm. You'd have to get your cortisol and DHEA tested to find out.

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Maya_83 in reply to greygoose

I was getting a lot of palpitations too, fast heart rate and was feeling jumpy.

Yeah I'm sure you're right, they probably said I was over medicated.

So are you saying, I was on the right dose at 75mcg?

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greygoose in reply to Maya_83

No, I'm saying you decreased the levo by too much, and didn't add in enough T3. You probably would have been better at 50 mcg levo and 6.25 mcg T3.

Palpitations can be hypo symptoms, too.

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