Primary doctor slams T3

Your T3 is not too high, it's pretty much in the middle... this test is WITH T3, I assume? Maybe I am missing something---but all I see for your free T4 is DNR... what does that mean? Your doctor is acting like the several I have fired---because we can do that here in the US. He is going based off TSH, instead of realizing that when medicated, esp with T3 or NDT, the TSH is irrelevant. My guess is, he thinks your low TSH "proves" his point. It's bull$hit, and maybe you should "fire" him and find a new doctor. I am sure there are others on this board that know a lot more than I do, and it might be good of you to start a new post with the results and ranges, and with your original post to receive some further advice, but I'll let you know, my TSH is lower than yours, and my T3 is higher than yours---can't be sure about your T4, but mine is in top 2/3 of range. I use NDT 65mcg and 25mcg Cynomel (Mexican T3). My doctor has no problem with my numbers, because I feel well. Wish you were closer to Blue Ridge, GA, as I would recommend her

He's not really a doctor, then, is he. He's just a technician of some sort.

I spoke to about a dozen doctors 30 years ago and none had any answers, the TSH was good ... period. It took a recent graduate nurse to tell me she thought it was my thyroid and then, of course, all the doctors knew ... all along... yeah, right.

Yes, I am writing an extended article (turning, as always, into an ever slowly but surely book) concerning the thyroid and would gladly accept any information, including Internet Links with fact-based information, such as what Shaws referenced in a post. I love it also when it is an article written by a scientist and/or doctor that is also a thyroid sufferer and thereby, speaks truthfully about these things so many of us weary human beings, who suffer through so silently but miserably, just looking to be able to feel "normal" again, can read and feel a little better. I suffer every time I read about someone who has gone through these depressions and sufferings through no fault of their own but caused by doctors, said to be recognized as human beings, who willfully (and many times, I believe, knowingly) continue to write prescriptions because they make (more) money by kowtowing to the insurance and Pharmaceutical conglomerates than they do by telling the truth. A philosopher once said: "Yet the deepest truths are best read between the lines, and, for the most part, refuse to be written." This, I do not believe; but that they refuse to be "recognized" by the "ruling mob of aristocratic Donald Trumps, the Putins, Ferdinand Marcos's, Duerte's, Bashar al-Asads, the Kim Jong-Uns' and, as far as I'm concerned, the Hitler's and Stalin's too. As I once served in the Marine Corps, 1962-'65 and saw, first hand, while stationed at Cherry Point, North Carolina, a brand of racism there, that was at such a point that they refused to fix a flat tire because a black soldier-friend of mine had "touched it," at age 20 I "woke" up because I had lived on an Island (literally) Guam for five years (ages 3-8) and then in San Antonio, Wash., D.C. and New York. I saw this same overt racism in San Antonio but also in New York, and Washington, D.C. This was racism to the point where every neighborhood was segregated: these "neighborhoods" were actually "drawn up," by the "elected officials" of those cities and towns to specifically put certain ethnic groups in specific parts of those towns or cities, thereby keeping them in their "place." Their place was (for them, the wealthy aristocrats) the "high-ground," overlooking the towns-people and city-folk while the "servants" were put in the lower (known as flood zones today) areas of the city, towns, etc. This, if you research, like I do, has been traced all the way back to biblical times and is incessant to this very day. And so, why should it be any different for these doctors to preach Capitalism not only to their friends and families but to live it themselves, many of these highly educated dim-wits actually believing it because it was (is) necessary for them to "keep" their jobs and thereby their "statuses" in their communities. There is a saying, by the philosopher Xenophanes that goes something like this: "Pure truth hath no man ever seen nor shall ever see or know." I am trying to prove that statement to be false but it is very hard, near on impossible but I try still and only hope that these doctors, along with the vast majority of human beings, will wake up together, and all join hands and step up a notch, or so, and get on the "Love Train" cause it's going around the world and if you miss it, well then, all I can say is: "I feel sorry, sorry for you."

Only the ones who have had themselves experienced the depths of the pain that Hypo, Hyper, Hashimoto's, Graves patients experience. Some have & are better dr.'s for it. Also, some have relatives who have experienced it. This is a revolution, as far as I'm concerned, and we who are suffering need to make a promise to have our voices heard, one way or the other.

I was on T3 for over a year & felt very well on 55mcgs.Above this,I got faster heartbeat but no shift in temperature on waking before getting up.I would feel too hot & get "hot flashes"I now think about 40-45mcgs would have been more sensible,as that high a dose seems to have shut down my hair follicles & my hair became very thin & fluffy,though I had no visible signs of shedding.

I have been on NDT for several months.So far,so good.I am still adjusting dose,but only at 6 week intervals:minimum(see TiredThyroid.com)

I believe some docs are threatened by educated patients. It's possible to find excellent doctors who appreciate those of us who are knowledgeable and want to be involved in our care. But they are as scarce as hen's teeth. Sometimes we have to search but when we find them healthcare is great. I only stick with docs who work with me. If I trip over one who seems to feel threatened by my participation I tell them why and move on. I guess it's called voting with our feet. I'm not rude but I feel they have a right to know why I don't want to be under their care. It may not help me but maybe if they lose enough patients (and revenue) over the long haul someday they may 'get it' and make changes. Change and educating oneself can be a slow process.

There's reported 3 million patients with Atrial Fib and I would bet most of them have, or are familiar with thyroid problems. All thyroid patients are under-treated UNLESS they have found their "peace" and are clear-minded and content with their "cures."

Have always had animals and so lots of experience with veterinarians and also with vets in my family. (Dad was a WW 2 pilot in the Pacific.) I think some animal vets would make great people doctors! 5 stars for liking animals to begin with as I divide people into 2 groups sometimes-those who love animals and those who don't. Our animals were often better at evaluating people that we were. And Thank you for your service. Take care. irina (US-Atlanta-retired nurse.)

One of our Advisers (deceased through an accident) from the USA hated the fact that levothyroxine became No.1 prescription in the USA due to payments by Big Pharma to doctors/Endos. He would never prescribe it. Only NDT or T3 for thyroid hormone resistant patients.

He, therefore, invented his non-prescriptive NDT (not sure of cost) and his widow now deals with this. I shall give you a link anyway just for info plus some of his Chapters and he hated the way corruption enabled NDT to more or less fall by the wayside. Those who could not recover returned to the old-fashioned NDT. In the UK our main Association the BTA made False Statements about it, despite it being used safely since 1892 in different formss, Dr Lowe sent three yearly reminders to the Associations but they never did respond to him before his death. There is a huge difference between a humane doctors putting patients first, that climbing the ladder by following advice you feel is not to the benefit of patients.

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Whereas our Association made False Statements and this is Dr Lowe's Rebuttal. He sent three yearly reminders before his death but they never did respond. Dr Lowe was a researcher and scientist too and was an expert in Thyroid Hormone Resstance.

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The Associations have hounded at least two doctors we know of - one who resigned his Licence and the other wouldn't but he was pursued often by the Authorities and appeared before our General Medical Council for treating patients wrongly. The GMC couldn't avoid the 10,000 testimonials of this doctor that his grateful patients sent to them confirming Dr Skinner 'saved their lives'. He was not afraid to prescribe but his staff and patients were devestated when Dr Skinner died suddently.

If you want other sources of NDT put up a new post and ask for Private Messages only to be sent to you. The post will then be closed as no information is permitted on the open forum.

Go down half the page to read what this doctor states about hypo.

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As do most of their secretaries but not their nurses.

agreed. but when standing in fire use whats avail

it dawned on me endo might be okaying ndt (which i pay for) to keep nhs from paying for t3. my bod does not metabolise alcohol etc normally, why would it with t4?

Doctors used to prescribe NDT or T3 but these were withdrawn (NDT due to False Statements - despite its safe use since 1892 and the astronomical price increase for T3) and the person who rebutted the False Statements by the Association never got a response despite three yearly reminders for a response before his death.

Many think it is because Big Pharma has such a hold on doctors/endocrinologists throughout the world now with some sort of incentives and levo is now the world's most prescribed hormone replacement. Plus of course extra prescrips for the remaining symptoms which aren't relieved with levo or too low doses of levo. Any other thyroid hormone replacements which were prescribed i.e. NDT (in use safely since 1892) or T3 - (too expensive now) have been denied to patients who don't or cannot recover on levo (T4).

Lowe wrote his paper, which I have copied, 9 years ago, which refutes the British Thyroid Association's absurd pronouncements of why every doctor should rely on levothyroxine only for all their thyroid patients, and slamming all T3 combinations with T4 and all NDT products also, specifically Armour, a product of Forest Pharm, in St. Louis, USA, basically slamming all products other than T4-only, and this, appears to me, even though I live in Florida, to have caused a terrible "shortage" of the product T3, or even T4-T3 combo and NDT, in Great Britain and, today, almost impossible to get a prescription for in the USA, even though endo's can prescribe it, at their will.

And so, many patients with hypo suffer for too long, before either finding the correct dose themselves (as I am presently doing, myself) or finding a "real" doctor. Dr. Lowe was a voice "crying in the wilderness," and, as usual, on this earth, he (seemed to have been, (now) crying in vain) because it appears to have only gathered more "conventional" doctors together to hold hands in "agreement," even as they write their T4-only prescriptions endlessly to every thyroid patient who walks in their door. They all agree to "think alike" because none of them have enough common sense, or character, to think alone. Scary.

Your GP, I believe, goes too far the other way.

The obvious peak in FT4 from ingesting levothyroxine can go on much longer than three or four hours. Usually the maximum is around two hours. And the rise would usually be steeper than the fall after the peak.

We know for sure that we vary as individuals so it is difficult to be categoric about the time to leave.

Scary, but there's a lot of scary stuff ahead for anyone who has a thyroid problem and can't find a “real” doctor, a human one, with actual feelings and a heart (that works).

Scarier for me, personally, is that I really don't know what I am (now) because the hypo symptoms have returned with one caveat that of not gaining weight, despite eating more. I am pretty certain that I am T4 intolerant because the brain-fog returns anytime I take the Synthroid but not the T3. A strange thing about my T3. I take 5mcg twice a day and have those times set at 1-3 PM and 1-3AM but I have much different reactions. In the afternoon, I get a good, energetic feeling, maybe 4 hours after I take the pill but not the same reaction in the morning as, 4 hours later, usually about 5 or 6 AM, I get brief palpitations (maybe 2 or 3, anywhere from 30-90 seconds apiece.) If anybody can figure that out I'd much appreciate anyone's opinion.

One of my favorite comedians (Jimmy Durante) had a regular show (back in the 50's, when I was a kid) and, whenever he got into a “mess” he had a standard line: “What a revolting development this is?” I guess you can say the same thing for all of us thyroid sufferers, who are still “looking for the “light” way out of this dark and menacing tunnel.