Excessive sweating.

[Minigirl]

Help please, I have hashimoto`s, I`m on half a tablet of 65mcg `Whole Thyroid` one tablet showed on my blood test that it was too much. I have excessive sweating in the trunk area, joint pain, frozen knees to my feet. Also allergic, runny eyes. Tirosint thyroid isn`t available in New Zealand.

[Starfish123]

Hi,

Have you had anything else tested? Vit d3, vit b12 etc. As joint pain can be due to low d3 and numbness can be due to b12.

[Minigirl in reply to Starfish123]

Hi Starfish123, Ref. Range

Serum B12 286 pmoI/L (170 - 600)

Serum Folate >45.0 nmoI/L (> 8.0)

CALCIUM / PHOSPHATE

Calcium mmoI/L 2.3 (2.2 - 2.6)

Adjusted Calcium mmoI/L 2.2 (2.2 - 2.6 )

Albumin g/L 45 (35 - 50 )

Test taken not on a fast.

Thanks @+Minigirl

[Minigirl in reply to Starfish123]

Hi Starfish123, Ref. Range

Serum B12 286 pmoI/L (170 - 600 )

Serum Folate > 45.0 nmoI/L (> 8.0

CALCIUM / PHOSPHATE Ref. Range

Calcium mmoI/L 2.3 ( 2.2 - 2.6 )

Adjusted Calcium mmoI/L 2.2 (2.2 - 2.6 )

Albumin g/L 45 (35 - 50 )

Test taken not on a fast.

Thanks @+ Minigirl

[hunny59]

Hi Minigirl - welcome to the forum. Can you please post the results of any blood tests that you've had done (together with the ranges) as this will make it easier for members of the forum to give you some advice as to what may be going on. Any thyroid results (TSH, FT3, FT4, antibodies) and whether you've had anything else tested as mentioned in Starfish123's post.

[Minigirl in reply to hunny59]

Hi hunny59, Ref Range

Antinuclear Antibody POSITIVE (< 160 )

Titre 40

Pattern Fine Speckled

ANA titres at this level may be present in healthy persons (particularly over the age of 40 years). Validated by TT, MLSci

P.S. I`ve already posted my TSH, FT3, FT4.

Thanks @+Minigirl

[hunny59 in reply to Minigirl]

Your folate is very high if you're not supplementing but your B12 is way too low and may indeed by causing some of your symptoms. I was symptomatic with a level of 376. I'd suggest supplementing with a good high dose sublingual like Jarrows (5000mcg) and taking a good B complex to keep the B vitamins in balance - getting a high dose of B12 may lower your folate levels as B12 needs good folate and iron levels to be effective. You may also want to persuse the Pernicious Anaemia forum on here - there are a lot of us there with B12 deficiencies and loads of good advice as there is on here.

As the others have said, ideally you need to hold off your thyroid medication for 12 hours before a blood test and have the blood drawn early morning while fasting - that should give a better idea of where your levels are but, as the others have said, your TSH is higher than optimal, despite your FT3. I'm also on NDT and find both my TSH and T4 are at the bottom, or below range.

[Minigirl in reply to hunny59]

Hi hunny59, Thanks for your helpful advice.

+Minigirl

[nancybuckley]

Have you had saliva adrenal testing as well? If you have adrenal fatigue that hasn't been treated then the thyroid medication will cause problems. As Starfish said, other tests might also be helpful.

[Minigirl in reply to nancybuckley]

Hi nancybuckley, I asked doctor for saliva adrenal & urine testing, she said it was not available only blood adrenal test, and did it straight away, not on a fast. So the reading was not correct. @+Minigirl

[nancybuckley in reply to Minigirl]

Yes, it is unfortunately usual for doctors to send you for blood adrenal which is, as we know, not the best test. Not sure where you are but if you can, get 24 hour saliva adrenal test privately.

[Chippysue]

Are you taking any other medication?

[Heloise]

Hi Minigirl, blood tests aren't totally reliable unless you have ALL the function tests which includes TSH, free T3 and free T4. Make sure they take all of them before they determine you are taking too much particularly the free T3. If you truly are hypothyroid you will surely need the whole 65 mcg. tablet UNLESS your adrenal glands are electing to conserve that active part of the hormone and in that case your free T3 will become reverse T3. Your body tries to keep a balance between your thyroid and adrenal glands.

Are you sure you aren't allergic to some of the fillers in your tablet. You can probably find the ingredients in it. From Stop the thyroid Madness stopthethyroidmadness.com/h...

The hyper symptoms are usually all caused by your body producing excess adrenaline in response to a problem.

The more common reasons for hyper-like symptoms include:

Having low cortisol and or low iron–both which can cause T3 to pool high in your blood, causing high adrenaline, the latter causing hyper-like symptoms to match!

Getting on HC (hydrocortisone aka cortisol) when you have an overly high FT3, which can cause a sudden T3-rush into the cells which we call a “thyroid dump”. This is why it’s much better to allow your pooled T3 to fall fist.

Having Hashimotos where you get the hyper swings of the die-off of your thyroid thrusting thyroid hormones into your blood

Other varieties of thyroiditis

Low aldosterone, which causes you to lose fluid, lowers sodium and eventually potassium

Literally taking too much thyroid hormone (but you’ll need to rule out if it’s low cortisol or low iron causing the hyper-like symptoms, not actually too much thyroid hormone. Many doctors don’t get this!)

Here are common hyper-like symptoms to watch for, and you may have some but not others:

a higher-than-normal heartrate or heart pounding

feeling nervous or anxietal

feeling the need to shake your leg

having a sense of speediness or mania

heart palpitation (feels like an extra thump or beat)

trembling, whether in your hands or inside your body

trouble sleeping

sweating more than normal

feeling really uncomfortable in heat

feeling clammy

shortness of breath (also a symptom of low thyroid or low iron)

a high Reverse T3 lab result

[Minigirl in reply to Heloise]

Thanks Heloise, I`ve lost faith in the doctors, she tried medication for sweating that had a risk of blindness ! Another doc at the Centre wanted me to take anti depressants that made you vomit for a week, I wasn`t even depressed, the leaflet said it could make you suicidal. I binned it. @+Minigirl

[Heloise in reply to Minigirl]

It's an outrageous error to give thyroid people all sorts of other drugs which WILL interfere with their hormone treatment. Always read those inserts! Bravo.

Sometime sweating goes with being overweight. Do you think you carry excess weight in that area? Maybe you can find something that works better for you if you think that's the problem. Ask for referrals by private message if you want to try Thyroid S which seems to have a good reputation.

[Minigirl in reply to Heloise]

Hi Heloise, I weigh 9 stone 5 pounds

Height 5 foot 3 inches. Will look into Thyroid S.

Thanks @+Minigirl

[Minigirl in reply to Heloise]

Heloise

Free T4 pmol/L 11.6 Ref (10.0-24.0 )

TSH mIU/L 2.4 ( 0.40 - 4.00)

Free T3 pmol/L 5.2 (2.5 - 6.0 )

Tests done not on a fast.

@+Minigirl

[Heloise in reply to Minigirl]

Hi Minigirl, Were the tests taken on the same morning you took your half=pill of whole thyroid. Is that a natural desiccated porcine thyroid pill. You are in NZ so I know they use cattle stock for some things.

You definitely are not too much of anything. Your TSH is over 2 which would be better around 1.0

Your FT4 is almost not even in range so your thyroid is not producing enough or it would be at least 18.

AND YET look at your FT3 which is edging near the top. Normally that would be a good test level but it obviously is not entering the cells and erasing symptoms.

I think this is what may be happening from my other response.

Having low cortisol and or low iron–both which can cause T3 to pool high in your blood, causing high adrenaline, the latter causing hyper-like symptoms to match!

Getting on HC (hydrocortisone aka cortisol) when you have an overly high FT3, which can cause a sudden T3-rush into the cells which we call a “thyroid dump”. This is why it’s much better to allow your pooled T3 to fall fist.

How long have you been taking the thyroid hormone?

[Minigirl in reply to Heloise]

Hi Heloise, yes the tests were taken on the same morning I took my half pill of natural desiccated porcine thyroid pill. I`ve been taking thyroid hormone since 2012, but I`ve had hashimoto`s for years longer, which didn`t show in my tests, till I got a bad dose of flu. Thanks for your help. @+Minigirl

[Heloise in reply to Minigirl]

Minigirl, it's suggested to wait twelve hours after taking your dose before the blood draw. So that is even more remarkable. It's difficult to figure out what to do about it but if you have low cortisol, one treatment would be taking hydrocortisone but getting a saliva test would be very helpful as you can see the activity of active cortisol throughout the day and know how to proceed. This explains:

stopthethyroidmadness.com/a...

I also like this perspective from a functional point of view. You will learn a lot by watching all 24 reasons for low thyroid by this man.

youtube.com/watch?v=nZ_CP7l...(Not working as expected?)

[crone]

You may be allergic to the meds

I had some of the same symptoms when I started synthroid, decades ago. They eventually subsided after a year or so. Still have the excessive sweating. Carry a wash cloth.It helps.

[janeb15]

Hello Minigirl, Your symptoms jumped out at me because sweating was one of the problems that affected my daughter in a SERIOUS way but has now been resolved. None of the doctors she saw took it seriously. However, you may need to look outside the thyroid area as your thyroid problems may be a symptom of a much more complex issue. We followed the thyroid route for many, many years but for my daughter we had to look much deeper. You may need to check whether you have a problem with pathogens like bacteria (e.g. Lyme Disease with or without co-infections, viral infections like EBV or HHV6, or mycotoxin illness all of which cause inflammation that can cause thyroid and other endocrine dysfunction). You may also need to check methylation, mast cell function, candida infections, other gut infections and pyroluria/porphyria. In the UK NONE of these are checked as a possible cause of thyroid problems, but maybe in NZ you would be luckier. We have had to travel to the USA for help.

p.m. me if you want me to send you further information and links. Jane x

[Midwife53 in reply to janeb15]

Why is not routine in the UK to provide these extensive tests whilst treating in my case hypothyroidism...I was basically laughed at when I asked to see an endocrine specialist...!!

[janeb15 in reply to Midwife53]

I wish I knew the answer to that, Midwife. We are light years behind the USA when it comes to proper investigatory procedures. Jane x

[Minigirl in reply to janeb15]

Thanks for the info janeb15.

@+Minigirl