If any UK members have suffered augmentation of RLS symptoms on Ropinirole. Pramipexole, the Neupro patch or other dopamine agonists, PLEASE REPORT it via
Unless and until the authorities and medical profession see the scale of suffering, these drugs will keep being prescribed and we will not get the help we need during withdrawal.
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Thanks Lilcatfeet. I don't do that much. I just get very angry every time I read help groups and see so many people on DAs and they genuinely have no idea what augmentation is. They think it means tolerance and that all RLS drugs will lead to tolerance so they may as well stay suffering on Ropinirole/Pramipexole etc. Tragic.
It is an issue, for sure, and largely due to drs ignorance. Both my gp and neurologist still say Mirapex is the drug of choice for RLS, despite my having given them both the Mayo Clinic article.I know they’re both very busy but they’ve obviously not read it. I believe as well that they don’t know about the iron situation. The only one who did was my physiatrist who is also the only one of my raft of specialists who looks at me and my health issues holistically. I am currently looking at surgery which will leave me non weight bearing for many months. The thought of augmentation of the Neu pro during this time is horrifying.
The most recent algorithym from Mayo Clinic moves these DA to second line and advances gabapentin to first line med due to augmenting.
Several articles have recently been published on augmentation. A bit sloppy seeing that this severe augmentation has been known since 2008.
Every med sheet explains that physician must monitor patient response to the medication. Do no harm. What kind of doctor continues to renew a script long after patient is clearly in trouble?
Too many. Have a look on this site & every FB help group. Neurologists are STILL prescribing these dangerous drugs as first line treatment and switching patients from Ropinirole to Pramipexole and vice versa even though the patient is clearly suffering augmentation.The widespread negligence is terrifying.
I participate in two facebook groups dedicated to RLS. The most common post is someone who is augmenting and the doctor continues to write scripts for a dopamine agonist. This speaks very poorly to the state of medicine in America.
It's the same here in the UK. There are only about 3 or 4 RLS neurologists and all of them will try to switch patients who have augmented on Ropinirole or Pramipexole to the Rotigitone patch. They try to say it has the lowest rate of augmentation but that is only if it's the first DA given and kept to the lowest dose. Most doctors just donot see enough patients with RLS to realise the scale of augmentation.There are hundreds of thousands of patients on these drugs, most are jow augmenting and doctors have no idea how to deal with them.
We really need a high profile legal negligence claim to highlight this.
Robin Williams, the lovely actor who killed himself, was taking Pramipexole. His widow believes it contributed to his death. I have no doubts! Anyone going through augmentation severely will know how dark those times are.
Very few get off these drugs without severe withdrawal.
It's very worrying. He was on Pramipexole and was switched to Sinemet. He may have been suffering DAWS which is very under researched and under reported. So many members of this forum seem to suffer depression after getting off DAs.
Know Karla. The wonderful Dr. B is on our main RLS UK page explaining Augmentation. We direct all new members to the video and the Mayo algorithm. Just too many people not getting the message or too scared to listen to it. I remember the thought of stopping Ropinirole terrified me. So glad I found this site, and Dr Buchfuhrer's email. The man is a Saint. He helps everyone who emails him.
I joined RLSUK. I also requested some leaflets and cards which arrived today. I carry them with me and I’ve put one on a noticeboard this afternoon. My plan is to get them locally in as many places as possible. Is it just helps one person it’s worth it, and it’s such an easy thing to do
Sadly, even most neurologists know NOTHING about RLS. It is criminal and we really need to think about legal action for negligence. There has been a successful UK case for ICD on DAs but not yet Augmentation.It's infuriating! They won't do blood tests or consider iron infusions & still prescribe the Neupro patch when patients are clearly suffering swvere Augmentation. They just don't read the research to update their knowledge.
Please do post as we need to realise how appalling medical treatment of RLS in the UK is.
Some people on another site are having trouble entering the word augmentation as it is not being recognised. The way round this is to enter addiction, then further down the form add augmentation and go on from there.
Do you mean the fact I started the post saying 'If any members have augmented..."?I agree that eventually every person taking these drugs will experience augmentation of their symptoms but there will be people who have not yet started to experience a worsening of their RLS.
"Everybody on a DA will eventually augment" is not true according to current knowledge. Remember that people on the forum are a specific subset of RLS sufferers, those for whom the standard treatment doesn't work. In studies a rate of augmentation of about 7% annually has been assessed. In the longer term that levels off at about 70% or a bit more of all people that started a dopamine agonist. We won't see people on the forum that after many years still successfully control their RLS with a DA.
That doesn't mean that augmentation is not a serious and fairly frequent side effect. I do support wholeheartedly that people should be warned. But not always warned off.
Just filled mine in. GP’s are in too much of a hurry just to script us these demonic drugs! Instead they should be referring us to neurologists who will no doubt have more of an understanding of this hellish condition!
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